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Post by Exkeeper on Feb 21, 2021 13:47:11 GMT 1
Stats can be made to tell you pretty much what you want them to, but just to indicate what our management team have achieved here are some of interest. Our record on the day SC walked through the door the table said :- Shrewsbury Town P 13 W 1 D 6 L 6 Pts 9 Under SC. P 13 W7 D 4 L2 Pts 25
IF we could maintain that form, nearly 2 points per game over the next 20 games,, our points should be in the low 70s. I think we would all have been gobsmacked at that thought in late November.
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Post by northwestman on Feb 21, 2021 13:54:50 GMT 1
And a fair % of the results in those 1st 13 games were against teams in the bottom half of the Division.
Home losses to Northampton, Bristol Rovers and Rochdale. Home draws against Burton and Swindon.
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Post by belfastshrew on Feb 21, 2021 14:00:23 GMT 1
Low 70s...playoffs???
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Post by martinshrew on Feb 21, 2021 14:05:28 GMT 1
It's a disgrace really how bad Rickets was. Imagine if his games were against the teams we played under Cotterill? **** me.
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Post by Exkeeper on Feb 21, 2021 14:17:04 GMT 1
I purposely didn’t say that, but hoped that someone else might. Thank you but only time will tell.0
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Post by Pilch on Feb 21, 2021 14:17:21 GMT 1
our fist ricketts bashing thread since about.... yesterday
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Post by Exkeeper on Feb 21, 2021 14:23:12 GMT 1
our fist ricketts bashing thread since about.... yesterday God, you’re getting boring now. For what it’s worth, I backed Sam to the end, but have to admit that the new broom has worked better than old one was likely to.
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Post by martinshrew on Feb 21, 2021 14:28:30 GMT 1
our fist ricketts bashing thread since about.... yesterday His League One record is horrendous. He won't get another job above the bottom half of League Two unless a chairman has lost the plot.
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Post by staffordshrew on Feb 21, 2021 14:31:02 GMT 1
our fist ricketts bashing thread since about.... yesterday God, you’re getting boring now. For what it’s worth, I backed Sam to the end, but have to admit that the new broom has worked better than old one was likely to. I'm sure Ricketts always tried to do his best. The comparison is unfair, SC isn't just a new broom, he's an industrial vacuum cleaner in comparison to virtually all our previous managers.
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Post by The Tactician on Feb 21, 2021 14:31:20 GMT 1
It's a disgrace really how bad Rickets was. Imagine if his games were against the teams we played under Cotterill? **** me. Alarm bells were ringing in his first season when he was pointlessly rotating Mitchell & Charles Cook as the sub GK’s. The infamous game when the fans made the subs for him & turned the game around was the day he lost me. I saw absolutely nothing since that day to show me he’d be any good for us. A really dark era for STFC in terms of league football, the pandemic kept him in a job for another 12 months.
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Post by Pilch on Feb 21, 2021 14:35:04 GMT 1
It's a disgrace really how bad Rickets was. Imagine if his games were against the teams we played under Cotterill? **** me. Alarm bells were ringing in his first season when he was pointlessly rotating Mitchell & Charles Cook as the sub GK’s. The infamous game when the fans made the subs for him & turned the game around was the day he lost me. I saw absolutely nothing since that day to show me he’d be any good for us. A really dark era for STFC in terms of league football, the pandemic kept him in a job for another 12 months. unbelievable but funny
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Post by Pilch on Feb 21, 2021 14:37:26 GMT 1
our fist ricketts bashing thread since about.... yesterday God, you’re getting boring now. For what it’s worth, I backed Sam to the end, but have to admit that the new broom has worked better than old one was likely to. sorry, what was the correct reply ? let me know
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Post by Feedo Gnasher on Feb 21, 2021 14:37:40 GMT 1
After those 13 games when we sacked Ricketts, let’s assume we stuck by him and results marginally improved and we 13 points from the 13 games (for what it’s worth I don’t even think we’d have got that many). We’d still be joint bottom.
Crazy how things have changed and there can only be one reason for that. We’ve got a much much better manager in place, even with him managing through iFollow and a mobile phone. He seems to have implemented a working structure behind him too, with Aaron Wilbraham and Keith Burt being much more effective than Dean Whitehead and Scout Ricketts.
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Post by Pilch on Feb 21, 2021 14:39:35 GMT 1
After those 13 games when we sacked Ricketts, let’s assume we stuck by him and results marginally improved and we 13 points from the 13 games (for what it’s worth I don’t even think we’d have got that many). We’d still be joint bottom. Crazy how things have changed and there can only be one reason for that. We’ve got a much much better manager in place, even with him managing through iFollow and a mobile phone. He seems to have implemented a working structure behind him too, with Aaron Wilbraham and Keith Burt being much more effective than Dean Whitehead and Scout Ricketts. can anyone do a comparison for the games Sarkik has played in and didnt ?
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Post by Feedo Gnasher on Feb 21, 2021 14:44:11 GMT 1
After those 13 games when we sacked Ricketts, let’s assume we stuck by him and results marginally improved and we 13 points from the 13 games (for what it’s worth I don’t even think we’d have got that many). We’d still be joint bottom. Crazy how things have changed and there can only be one reason for that. We’ve got a much much better manager in place, even with him managing through iFollow and a mobile phone. He seems to have implemented a working structure behind him too, with Aaron Wilbraham and Keith Burt being much more effective than Dean Whitehead and Scout Ricketts. can anyone do a comparison for the games Sarkik has played in and didnt ? Yes unlucky with that injury but injuries are a part of football, you’ve probably noticed Liverpool currently have five centre back options out injured and it costs. You don’t get points for sympathy. Also Sarkic chucked one in on debut against Northampton so even when Ricketts had him available he wasn’t great! And he was still able to bring in two other goalkeepers who both turned out to be duds.
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Post by jamo on Feb 21, 2021 14:45:35 GMT 1
Stats can be made to tell you pretty much what you want them to, but just to indicate what our management team have achieved here are some of interest. Our record on the day SC walked through the door the table said :- Shrewsbury Town P 13 W 1 D 6 L 6 Pts 9 Under SC. P 13 W7 D 4 L2 Pts 25 IF we could maintain that form, nearly 2 points per game over the next 20 games,, our points should be in the low 70s. I think we would all have been gobsmacked at that thought in late November. Quite staggering turnaround, fantastic to see. I think we can put both those two lines of statistics down to The C effect. Covid for keeping Ricketts in a job at least 9 months longer than everyone (well nearly everyone) could see that he was hopelessly equipped for. And Cotterill, for recognising the talent he had available and implementing tactics and formations that got the best out of them, and then adding to them. Even with his short tenure here it is clear that we owe Cotterill big time.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 21, 2021 14:50:40 GMT 1
God, you’re getting boring now. For what it’s worth, I backed Sam to the end, but have to admit that the new broom has worked better than old one was likely to. sorry, what was the correct reply ? let me know I’m not a fan of Ronan Keating, but have you heard of his song “you say it best”?
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Post by Pilch on Feb 21, 2021 14:58:10 GMT 1
can anyone do a comparison for the games Sarkik has played in and didnt ? Yes unlucky with that injury but injuries are a part of football, you’ve probably noticed Liverpool currently have five centre back options out injured and it costs. You don’t get points for sympathy. Also Sarkic chucked one in on debut against Northampton so even when Ricketts had him available he wasn’t great! And he was still able to bring in two other goalkeepers who both turned out to be duds. sarkiks league debut was an excellent clean sheet away to pompey i've always said, ricketts biggest mistake was signing burgoyne, it kind of makes a difference having a quality premier keeper behind you instead of a regular liability yes the northampton incident luckily seems to be a one off, we had lost a central defender early through injury and pierre was banned, he'd not long arrived from international duty and maybe a mix up was waiting to happen i do think ricketts would still be struggling on had sarkik remained fit, burgoyne gifted so many late goals with weak attempts at saves the only thing that annoys me still is had ricketts still been here, this thread would probably be about yesterdays poor performance, still no goals from our worst ever forward main, why is pierre injured, why doesnt ricketts just stay away until he recovered from covid, anyway, fuse lit im off for a walk ;-)
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Post by champagneprince on Feb 21, 2021 15:08:25 GMT 1
Ricketts was just too inexperienced. Roland a chance but it didn't work out. I don't think anyone can say he won't make a career out of football management beyond the lower leagues, its too early, the guy has years to learn his craft.
SC does have the experience. He knew what was needed. He has been sacked too in his career, I believe (correct me if I'm wrong). If so, no doubt he would've been on the receiving end of fans anger.
He's done a great job so far, everything has dropped right. And in the Summer, he has a full transfer window to strengthen.
Exciting times ahead. No need to think about Ricketts any longer. Just didn't have the experience. Good luck to the guy.
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Post by armchairfan on Feb 21, 2021 15:24:11 GMT 1
Come on, people - am I the only person who thinks that this whole Ricketts discussion has been done to death? No amount of assertion nor quoting of statistics will change the past;although we are all entitled to our perception of that past, I see no benefit in prolonging this redundant argument. If nothing else, the new managerial team should by now having us all looking forward with a degree of confidence, and long may this state of mind continue.
Onwards and upwards..... move on!
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Post by shrewder on Feb 21, 2021 15:27:51 GMT 1
Come on, people - am I the only person who thinks that this whole Ricketts discussion has been done to death? No amount of assertion nor quoting of statistics will change the past;although we are all entitled to our perception of that past, I see no benefit in prolonging this redundant argument. If nothing else, the new managerial team should by now having us all looking forward with a degree of confidence, and long may this state of mind continue. Onwards and upwards..... move on! No body said you had to join the conversation. !!!!
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Post by chirkshrew on Feb 21, 2021 15:30:47 GMT 1
So lessons learnt all round. Dont buy cheap and pay twice, get an experienced manager in, who knows what he's doing.from next season under cotterill hopefully we will be in play off positions UTS
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Post by armchairfan on Feb 21, 2021 15:51:56 GMT 1
Come on, people - am I the only person who thinks that this whole Ricketts discussion has been done to death? No amount of assertion nor quoting of statistics will change the past;although we are all entitled to our perception of that past, I see no benefit in prolonging this redundant argument. If nothing else, the new managerial team should by now having us all looking forward with a degree of confidence, and long may this state of mind continue. Onwards and upwards..... move on! No body said you had to join the conversation. !!!! My humble apologies - I hadn't realised that I required your permission to venture an opinion.
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Post by davycrockett on Feb 21, 2021 15:59:26 GMT 1
Come on, people - am I the only person who thinks that this whole Ricketts discussion has been done to death? No amount of assertion nor quoting of statistics will change the past;although we are all entitled to our perception of that past, I see no benefit in prolonging this redundant argument. If nothing else, the new managerial team should by now having us all looking forward with a degree of confidence, and long may this state of mind continue. Onwards and upwards..... move on! Why would we remove an ex manager from our history and not mention/discuss him? Doesn’t do any harm, the only person that bites is Pilch and were pretty much used to that now. Come to think it would be interesting to compare SC’s first 13 games with Hursts. Very similar position when they both arrived and an instant turn around in both cases.
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Post by philjh on Feb 21, 2021 16:09:49 GMT 1
Stats can be made to tell you pretty much what you want them to, but just to indicate what our management team have achieved here are some of interest. Our record on the day SC walked through the door the table said :- Shrewsbury Town P 13 W 1 D 6 L 6 Pts 9 Under SC. P 13 W7 D 4 L2 Pts 25 IF we could maintain that form, nearly 2 points per game over the next 20 games,, our points should be in the low 70s. I think we would all have been gobsmacked at that thought in late November.
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Post by armchairfan on Feb 21, 2021 16:13:31 GMT 1
Come on, people - am I the only person who thinks that this whole Ricketts discussion has been done to death? No amount of assertion nor quoting of statistics will change the past;although we are all entitled to our perception of that past, I see no benefit in prolonging this redundant argument. If nothing else, the new managerial team should by now having us all looking forward with a degree of confidence, and long may this state of mind continue. Onwards and upwards..... move on! Why would we remove an ex manager from our history and not mention/discuss him? Doesn’t do any harm, the only person that bites is Pilch and were pretty much used to that now. Come to think it would be interesting to compare SC’s first 13 games with Hursts. Very similar position when they both arrived and an instant turn around in both cases. I don't necessarily disagree with that sentiment, but, as has been said up-thread, it gets boring of the intention is merely to bait other members... I have no objections, in principle, to a good-natured "wind-up" - the Notorious thread has its moments, for example - but there are limits.
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Post by philjh on Feb 21, 2021 16:15:39 GMT 1
With no disrespect to A.W how many games has the town lost with S.C. on the line, whilst I think that A.W has done a great job, but I think the only game that S.C.has actually lost was Lincoln in the Papa trophy, correct me if I'm wrong.
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Post by Pilch on Feb 21, 2021 16:49:17 GMT 1
im surprised we didnt go for gary monk
the guy who miraculously saved birmingham from relegation with 16 points from the last 24 , after cotterill was sacked having only managed a few months there and looked odds on favourites for relegation
as the original poster stated, stats can be used to suit any argument
its just strange that we have to have the same one every day ;-)
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Post by Feedo Gnasher on Feb 21, 2021 17:03:31 GMT 1
im surprised we didnt go for gary monk the guy who miraculously saved birmingham from relegation with 16 points from the last 24 , after cotterill was sacked having only managed a few months there and looked odds on favourites for relegation as the original poster stated, stats can be used to suit any argument its just strange that we have to have the same one every day ;-) It’s a fair point and one I would debate against by saying he the Birmingham job at the end of September so had inherited a mess of a situation and squad, some would say like here. If we’d got to March and were still in the s**t maybe we’d have sacked him as well, but I doubt it seeing as he got a three year deal and we give every manager who’s not Askey plenty of time, something I’m proud of. And who knows, maybe he learnt from his experience at taking over that sinking ship and applied it here?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 21, 2021 17:50:04 GMT 1
Nothing wrong whatsoever with the opening post, it's a reasonable comparison. I'm sure we've done the same comparisons with previous managers without any problem.
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