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Post by Pilch on Jul 22, 2021 20:11:54 GMT 1
Just dipped into the 100 on BBC2. First impression...horrible graphics. the only stat we need is the required run rate it looks like its undisclosed
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Post by Hippo on Jul 22, 2021 21:08:41 GMT 1
Just dipped into the 100 on BBC2. First impression...horrible graphics. the only stat we need is the required run rate it looks like its undisclosed No purer form of required run rate than runs per balls surely? They're not using overs either so think would confuse matters. I think this has been alright though, to be fair. People seem to be enjoying it and good to see it on BBC. Graphics are maybe quite jarring to start - deliberately youtubey - don't mind them though. And I do like the way the runs and ball columns count up first innings and down second. Easy visual to get on board with. Don't see the problem either with what somebody mentioned earlier about fans enjoying the game and not minding who wins. I watch a few sports like that, just appreciating a good game and good play without the added misery that sustained investment in one person or team brings. All in all, good enough for what it is. Will watch again.
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Post by northwestman on Jul 24, 2021 8:39:57 GMT 1
The Hollies Stand was far from full yesterday. But amazingly, throughout the match (I checked from time to time whilst watching the darts) there was not a pint glass to be seen either there or anywhere else in the ground. Surely they can't be banning beer sales, or is everyone being forced to drink on the concourses to keep bad behaviour away from children and the cameras?
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Post by polas1949 on Jul 24, 2021 8:55:27 GMT 1
I went to Edgbaston to watch the ODI and the amber nectar was flowing freely. Can't imagine it being banned but I might be wrong
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Post by northwestman on Jul 24, 2021 9:25:16 GMT 1
I went to Edgbaston to watch the ODI and the amber nectar was flowing freely. Can't imagine it being banned but I might be wrong Fair enough. Perhaps the cameras were told to pan away from it! Very low crowd for the women's game.
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Post by northwestman on Jul 24, 2021 14:18:26 GMT 1
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Post by northwestman on Jul 26, 2021 10:30:23 GMT 1
The Hundred – cricket’s controversial new tournament – became embroiled in a sexism row on Sunday night after more than 13,000 fans at Lord’s were offered a full refund despite having seen an entire women’s match.
Hundred tickets are sold as double-headers: a women’s match followed by a men’s match. And when Sunday’s men’s match – a local derby between London Spirit and the Oval Invincibles – was rained off without a ball being bowled, it triggered the clause for a full repayment to fans.
Had Sunday’s thunderstorms arrived four hours earlier, wiping out the women’s fixture between the Invincibles and the Spirit, but allowing the men’s match to go ahead, there would have been no refund.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 26, 2021 11:14:57 GMT 1
The Hollies Stand was far from full yesterday. But amazingly, throughout the match (I checked from time to time whilst watching the darts) there was not a pint glass to be seen either there or anywhere else in the ground. Surely they can't be banning beer sales, or is everyone being forced to drink on the concourses to keep bad behaviour away from children and the cameras? I've read some views on the 100 over the last few days, I'm seeing quite a bit of positivity for the womans game in terms of on the field but also off it and how it feels like an audience the ECB seem to be targeting, but the mens games feels no different to a T20 game, particularly the crowd watching it. Now to some people that might be a good thing but with the money invested you'd question what was the point if they end up with a game and audience which is similar to something already we have? Still early days of course. Some people have also been celebrating the tournament based on viewing figures, personally I think it just proves that if you put cricket on terrestrial tv then people will watch it.
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Post by Minormorris64 on Jul 26, 2021 12:26:16 GMT 1
Just remind me how much have the ECB "invested" in the H*****D
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Post by northwestman on Jul 29, 2021 9:33:29 GMT 1
Readers may remember a long piece I wrote a month ago with the surviving members of the 1981 series. In it, I talked to Mike Hendrick, the former Derbyshire and England seamer, who revealed that he was dying from cancer at the time. His last words to me were: “I’m in the departure lounge, but the flight has not quite left yet.” It left earlier this week, but thankfully the gathering of former team-mates that we talked about in the piece happened before he died. Geoff Miller, the former off-spinner, had organised it and among those present were Ian Botham, John Emburey, Bob Taylor, Derek Randall, Geoff Boycott and John Lever. They met in a wine bar in Matlock and gave Hendrick a rousing send-off and a standing ovation as he was led out of the bar, leaning on Botham’s arm, at the end of the afternoon — a reminder again of the enduring friendships and camaraderie resulting from sport. Mike Atherton - The Times. www.theguardian.com/sport/2021/jul/28/mike-hendrick-obituary
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Post by LetchworthShrew on Jul 29, 2021 10:54:48 GMT 1
The Hollies Stand was far from full yesterday. But amazingly, throughout the match (I checked from time to time whilst watching the darts) there was not a pint glass to be seen either there or anywhere else in the ground. Surely they can't be banning beer sales, or is everyone being forced to drink on the concourses to keep bad behaviour away from children and the cameras? I've read some views on the 100 over the last few days, I'm seeing quite a bit of positivity for the womans game in terms of on the field but also off it and how it feels like an audience the ECB seem to be targeting, but the mens games feels no different to a T20 game, particularly the crowd watching it. Now to some people that might be a good thing but with the money invested you'd question what was the point if they end up with a game and audience which is similar to something already we have? Still early days of course. Some people have also been celebrating the tournament based on viewing figures, personally I think it just proves that if you put cricket on terrestrial tv then people will watch it. Even the Sky only games have been broadcast on Sky Sports Mix which is avaiable to all subscribers.
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Post by Minormorris64 on Jul 29, 2021 15:12:46 GMT 1
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Post by venceremos on Jul 29, 2021 16:00:01 GMT 1
Ignoring the politics and the money side of it, about which I know nothing, I can only say I've enjoyed what I've seen of the Hundred and can understand the appeal of a shorter format game, especially if it allows for a double header and thereby enhances the women's game.
I expect that might be an unpopular opinion!
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Post by Deleted on Jul 29, 2021 16:39:14 GMT 1
Ignoring the politics and the money side of it, about which I know nothing, I can only say I've enjoyed what I've seen of the Hundred and can understand the appeal of a shorter format game, especially if it allows for a double header and thereby enhances the women's game. I expect that might be an unpopular opinion! Can I ask a question (well a few actually)? Do you generally watch cricket and if so, do you watch T20? If yes, do you see any differences between T20 & the Hundred and is there anything in particular which makes the latter more appealing/enjoyable? If no, did you watch it because it's a new tournament/format or simply because you can on terrestrial television? These may come across as leading questions but they aren't meant to. I've made no secret that I've been against this format but it's clear that it's attractive to some people and I'm interested in the reasons for that. I'm still of the opinion that there isn't a secret market of cricket fans waiting to be tapped into, and the crucial factor in this is bringing back cricket to terrestrial television.
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Post by Minormorris64 on Jul 29, 2021 16:50:54 GMT 1
If cricket is shown on FTA Television, cricket fans watch it, who would have thought it.............
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Post by venceremos on Jul 29, 2021 17:06:55 GMT 1
Ignoring the politics and the money side of it, about which I know nothing, I can only say I've enjoyed what I've seen of the Hundred and can understand the appeal of a shorter format game, especially if it allows for a double header and thereby enhances the women's game. I expect that might be an unpopular opinion! Can I ask a question (well a few actually)? Do you generally watch cricket and if so, do you watch T20? If yes, do you see any differences between T20 & the Hundred and is there anything in particular which makes the latter more appealing/enjoyable? If no, did you watch it because it's a new tournament/format or simply because you can on terrestrial television? These may come across as leading questions but they aren't meant to. I've made no secret that I've been against this format but it's clear that it's attractive to some people and I'm interested in the reasons for that. I'm still of the opinion that there isn't a secret market of cricket fans waiting to be tapped into, and the crucial factor in this is bringing back cricket to terrestrial television. No problem - all fair questions. My cricket watching history is limited. I went along to watch Hampshire and Gloucestershire when I lived in Southampton and Cheltenham respectively, mainly County Championship but a bit of 40 over, as there was then. And I watched Somerset at Bath a few times but that was a corporate thing. I've seen one day of Test cricket at the Oval, in the days when the West Indies terrorised England's batsmen. Apart from that, I've lived too far away from the first class counties to watch anything live. I've watched plenty of cricket on TV over the years - Test matches, one day games (county and international), T20 etc - and I enjoy having Test Match Special on. But I dip in and out rather than watch a whole game or day of cricket. All that's by way of saying I'm not a newbie and am a bit of a traditionalist in some ways. You can't beat a good Test match evolving through its 4-5 days and I used to love the atmosphere of a county game, although sunshine, not working and a couple of beers helped that. I long ago lost touch with all county cricket because I don't know when different format games are being played, who the players are and whether they only play certain formats and the competitions have been changed so much I just haven't bothered to keep up. I'll follow England when they're playing, although I couldn't tell you what their coming programme might be. The Hundred was a happy accident for me. I came upon it as I was looking through the channels (on Sky actually, don't think I've yet seen it on BBC) and liked its simplicity - successive games, close finishes, one league table with simple points scoring. I've no idea how long it goes on or how the winner's decided but that's the same for every other competition. When does T20 happen? Is it a league? Is it a cup? Is there still a one day cup? Is it still a two division county championship? Who are the current county champions, cup winners, T20 winners? I've no idea. It's probably little different to T20, just an even simpler format, without overs and with a few other minor tweaks. But maybe the T20 format was wrong at the time in simply being a further cut down version of what had gone before - we've had 40, 50, 55 and 60 over formats. Getting rid of overs might be the radical change the sport needs to attract new fans. Cricket has its own rhythm and language, which I love but I get why it leaves others cold. My wife and sons have never shown the slightest interest in it but I could imagine they might enjoy something like the Hundred - 100 balls for each team is easier for a complete newbie to grasp than whatever "T20" is meant to mean (I know but most won't). I can understand some cricket fans' hostility to it, but I wonder whether the Hundred is actually the format that T20 should have been, and perhaps could replace.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 30, 2021 13:33:30 GMT 1
I can understand some cricket fans' hostility to it, but I wonder whether the Hundred is actually the format that T20 should have been, and perhaps could replace. Thanks for the response. I've only picked out this bit as didnt want to spam up the board with the whole post but I think this is the most relevant part and perhaps why I object to it the most. I can absolutely understand why a shorter format of the game is popular and would appeal to a different crowd (trying to explain to people that I go to a test match, spend a fortune, spend a day there but I don't see a result and there's another 4 days to go is always a challenge!) but we already have T20. Now thats not to say its perfect but we have a format that could have been adapted and I don't see the need for 4 formats, particularly as people have been complaining about trying to fit the existing 3 formats in, in recent year. The cynical part of me thinks this is simply the ECB seeing the popularity and financial power of the IPL and trying to compete, they have decided a new format is the way to go which undoubtely will gain a lot of interest initially but what about once the fuss dies down? What is the long term impact long term? Can T20 & The Hundred exist side by side? It will be interesting to see whether interest in the Blast is impacted by the Hundred. And then what is the future of the one day game and county/test cricket when they are being moved to accomodate T20/The Hundred? We of course know there are traditionalists who will always object to change and any attempt to modernise (which cricket needs to do) but equally there are people who are genuinely concerned about the long term future of the game, particuclary considering how much the ECB have invested/gambled on this. On first impressions I actually think the biggest winner from this will be the womans game which is undoubtely a good thing, but suspect wasn't the ECB's primary goal.
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Post by northwestman on Jul 30, 2021 14:00:58 GMT 1
It's simple. The Counties have the rights to the T20 in England. The ECB want to sell the rights to The Hundred abroad.
However, one of the plus points of stripping the Counties of 100 or so players for the Hundred is the chances given to young players in the Royal London Cup.
In the case of Worcestershire, that's meant that the likes of Haynes (future England player), Baker, Finch and Dell have stepped up to the plate, and the team are at present unbeaten after 3 games. But in the meantime Cox, Pennington and Brown are all under employed, having been placed in Hundreds squads but not used, which doesn't help.
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Post by northwestman on Jul 30, 2021 14:43:47 GMT 1
The players in the Hundred will be wearing rainbow laces across this weekend as part of the ECB and the wider game's support for LGBTQ+ inclusion in cricket.
More woke to go alongside BLM.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 30, 2021 15:24:34 GMT 1
I've enjoyed reading the above constructive debate on the whys and wherefores of the 100.
I love cricket, I've watched it from an early age (I also played at an amateur level for a number of years) and I welcome positive change to the game (I remember Kerry Packer, for example and how that really modernised the game).
I still believe that test cricket is the pinnacle of the game but, even as a youngster I also enjoyed watching the John Player league, Gillette Cup and B&H Cup. There were so many world class players involved in all the domestic competitions.
T20 and now the 100 is for a new generation of cricket fans, just like the above were for me and so although I welcome change, my only concern is for the long term future of our red ball cricket.
The ECB are guardians of this great game, I hope that they don't put all their eggs in one basket.
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Post by LetchworthShrew on Jul 30, 2021 17:41:19 GMT 1
ECB announce Ben Stokes will take an indefinate break from all forms of cricket (Sky)
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Post by Deleted on Aug 3, 2021 22:18:01 GMT 1
Welcome back test cricket 🏏 😊 First test starts tomorrow. The pundits don't fancy England. "England v India: BBC Sport pundits predict the winners - BBC Sport" www.bbc.co.uk/sport/cricket/58023809
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Post by LetchworthShrew on Aug 4, 2021 12:16:03 GMT 1
1st Test v India
England win the toss & will bat first
TeamsEngland: Rory Burns, Dom Sibley, Zak Crawley, Joe Root (capt), Jonny Bairstow, Dan Lawrence, Jos Buttler (wk), Sam Curran, Ollie Robinson, Stuart Broad, James Anderson. India: Rohit Sharma, KL Rahul, Cheteshwar Pujara, Virat Kohli (capt), Ajinkya Rahane, Rishabh Pant (wk), Ravindra Jadeja, Shardul Thakur, Jasprit Bumrah, Mohammed Shami, Mohammad Siraj. Umpires: Michael Gough, Richard Kettleborough; TV umpire: Richard Illingworth. Drinks Carrier: Jack Leach England 1st Innings 0.5 overs - WICKET - Burns lbw Bumrah 0 (Eng 0-1) 20.6 overs - WICKET - Crawley c Pant b Siraj 27 (Eng 42-2) 25.0 overs - LUNCH - Eng 61-2, Sibley 18* Root 12* 27.3 overs - WICKET - Sibley c KL Rahul b Shami 18 (Eng 66-3) 50.2 overs - WICKET - Bairstow lbw Shami 29 (Eng 138-4) 50.2 overs - TEA - Root 52* 50.6 overs - WICKET - Lawrence c Pant b Shami 0 (Eng 138-5) 55.5 overs - WICKET - Buttler c Pant b Bumrah 0 (Eng 145-6)
58.1 overs - WICKET - Root lbw Thakur 64 (Eng 155-7)
58.4 overs - WICKET - Robinson c Shami b Thakur 0 (Eng 155-8)
59.6 overs - WICKET - Broad lbw Bumrah 4 (Eng 160-9) 65.4 overs - WICKET - Anderson b Bumrah 1 (Eng 183 all out)
England 183, S Curran 27*
India 1st Innings
13.0 overs - CLOSE - Ind 21-0, Rohit 9* Rahul 9*
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Post by Deleted on Aug 4, 2021 16:12:27 GMT 1
Sadly all too predictable, such a weak batting line up but not helped by lack of action. This is the amount of balls faced in first class cricket since the last NZ test
Burns - 189 Sibley - 271 Crawley - 6 Root - 0 Bairstow - 0 Lawrence - 0 Buttler - 0
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Post by Deleted on Aug 4, 2021 16:14:33 GMT 1
Undercooked, unfortunately and it shows 😕
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Post by Valerioch on Aug 4, 2021 16:26:34 GMT 1
145/6
Same old Root or bust
Massively frustrating, bordering on infuriating
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Post by Deleted on Aug 4, 2021 16:30:45 GMT 1
145/6 Same old Root or bust Massively frustrating, bordering on infuriating Maybe I'm imagining it but for a while I thought we had a weak opening batting line up so would normally be about 30-3 but we then had a decent middle order so could recover. But our batting is just weak throughout with the one exception
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