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Post by Pilch on Nov 22, 2020 17:10:46 GMT 1
i dont know, twice in the last month at least i posted on here asking if anyone knows the exact difference in league 1 and 2, nobody did, pab asked the same question earlier, nobody did, perhaps find out first and then debate it, find out too about police costs in L1 & L2 for us, players wages how much sacking 2 managers in less than 6 months costs etc Are you genuinely suggesting we’ll save money by getting relegated? It’s simply not the case. Truth is none of us know how much relegation will cost but well educated mathematics suggests the differences are staggering. Look at Frankwellshrews post. ive said nothing of the sort, i clearly said i have no idea, pretty much like everyone else someone was on about quest and how we'll get 8% instead of 12% tv money www.thetimes.co.uk/article/channel-five-lose-football-league-highlights-to-quest-wlj25nqklis quest really a 4 year deal worth £1M of which we get 12% a year in L1 ? £1M /4 =250k 250/12%/24=£1,250. L1 250/8%/24=£833 L2 relegation could cost us £386 quid on quest or does the £1M get shared equally ? as i said, i dont know
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Post by GrizzlyShrew on Nov 22, 2020 17:53:10 GMT 1
Think I would be concerned if they turned to Edwards full time right now. We need someone in there with experience of difficult times and how to turn things round. Edwards as caretaker yes, Edward as No2 to the new man yes, Edwards as a future manager yes. But the position we are in right now isn't for a rookie manager. Anyone on here remember that Turner bloke we had as player manager in the '70s? Pretty sure he had no managerial experience either. Turner took over a side that was going well, changed nothing and kept the momentum going. Who ever comes in has to a decent repair job in getting the players to beleive in themselves and cut out making stupid mistakes. It's a huge difference, hence why I would prefer Edwards to be kept out of the firing line until there is a better time for him to take on the job.
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Post by ssshrew on Nov 22, 2020 17:54:52 GMT 1
Yes we are crying out for someone with some experience.
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Post by Valerioch on Nov 22, 2020 17:57:30 GMT 1
Are you genuinely suggesting we’ll save money by getting relegated? It’s simply not the case. Truth is none of us know how much relegation will cost but well educated mathematics suggests the differences are staggering. Look at Frankwellshrews post. ive said nothing of the sort, i clearly said i have no idea, pretty much like everyone else someone was on about quest and how we'll get 8% instead of 12% tv money www.thetimes.co.uk/article/channel-five-lose-football-league-highlights-to-quest-wlj25nqklis quest really a 4 year deal worth £1M of which we get 12% a year in L1 ? £1M /4 =250k 250/12%/24=£1,250. L1 250/8%/24=£833 L2 relegation could cost us £386 quid on quest or does the £1M get shared equally ? as i said, i dont know But it’s common sense if our average attendance drops Atleast 1,100 as recent history suggests, relegation would be hugely costly. As for Police bills... I’m sure West Mercia are relishing us playing Walsall and Port Vale again next season, Newport and Tranmere have also had large police presence in the past Aside from anything, we’ve boasted for years how we are the only club in the FL with zero debt and cash in the bank!! Time to use it!!
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Post by martinshrew on Nov 22, 2020 18:10:44 GMT 1
ive said nothing of the sort, i clearly said i have no idea, pretty much like everyone else someone was on about quest and how we'll get 8% instead of 12% tv money www.thetimes.co.uk/article/channel-five-lose-football-league-highlights-to-quest-wlj25nqklis quest really a 4 year deal worth £1M of which we get 12% a year in L1 ? £1M /4 =250k 250/12%/24=£1,250. L1 250/8%/24=£833 L2 relegation could cost us £386 quid on quest or does the £1M get shared equally ? as i said, i dont know But it’s common sense if our average attendance drops Atleast 1,100 as recent history suggests, relegation would be hugely costly. As for Police bills... I’m sure West Mercia are relishing us playing Walsall and Port Vale again next season, Newport and Tranmere have also had large police presence in the past Aside from anything, we’ve boasted for years how we are the only club in the FL with zero debt and cash in the bank!! Time to use it!! No point in shouting for a decade about being a well run club with cash reserves if when needed and when you could be taking an advantage over the rest you don't use it. Ridiculous really but sums Roland up, stagnating.
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Post by Pilch on Nov 22, 2020 18:15:21 GMT 1
ive said nothing of the sort, i clearly said i have no idea, pretty much like everyone else someone was on about quest and how we'll get 8% instead of 12% tv money www.thetimes.co.uk/article/channel-five-lose-football-league-highlights-to-quest-wlj25nqklis quest really a 4 year deal worth £1M of which we get 12% a year in L1 ? £1M /4 =250k 250/12%/24=£1,250. L1 250/8%/24=£833 L2 relegation could cost us £386 quid on quest or does the £1M get shared equally ? as i said, i dont know But it’s common sense if our average attendance drops Atleast 1,100 as recent history suggests, relegation would be hugely costly. As for Police bills... I’m sure West Mercia are relishing us playing Walsall and Port Vale again next season, Newport and Tranmere have also had large police presence in the past Aside from anything, we’ve boasted for years how we are the only club in the FL with zero debt and cash in the bank!! Time to use it!! i checked once and the attendance dropped 800 on average but its hard to tell as we never get a genuine attendance figure , we used to get less than were there its now gone the other way
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Post by Deleted on Nov 22, 2020 18:56:33 GMT 1
In recent seasons we have worked at establishing ourselves again as a league 1 (division 3 club). We are far from the biggest club in this league but with our resources we should be able to very much hold our own at this level. Top half really shouldn’t be out of the question. That shouldn’t be too much to ask.
We are heading towards December and find ourselves in a relegation battle.
One league win in our opening 12 games is why we find ourselves 4 points from safety. We have time of course to turn it around but whether Sam Ricketts has the know how to do so is debateable. I have come to the conclusion, like others that it can only be off field matters (ie finances) that prevent the club from dispensing with the manager’s services. I honestly don’t think that in normal circumstances Sam Ricketts would still be our manager. The stark fact that we have won only 3 league games in our last 26 games would test, to the limit the patience of any chairman, Roland included.
What bothers me even more though, and I have said it already before is that the suggestion that relegation may be no bad thing (on what seems to be on financial grounds only) for me that goes against everything we as a club have worked so hard for in the last 10 years.
The question is, do we really want to be a yo yo club again, is that to be the height of our aspirations all said and done? I would want us to fight tooth and nail to stay in this league, fourth division should not be an option, certainly not at this stage of the season.
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Post by Mortgagehound on Nov 22, 2020 19:02:05 GMT 1
In recent seasons we have worked at establishing ourselves again as a league 1 (division 3 club). We are far from the biggest club in this league but with our resources we should be able to very much hold our own at this level. Top half really shouldn’t be out of the question. That shouldn’t be too much to ask. We are heading towards December and find ourselves in a relegation battle. One league win in our opening 12 games is why we find ourselves 4 points from safety. We have time of course to turn it around but whether Sam Ricketts has the know how to do so is debateable. I have come to the conclusion, like others that it can only be off field matters (ie finances) that prevent the club from dispensing with the manager’s services. I honestly don’t think that in normal circumstances Sam Ricketts would still be our manager. The stark fact that we have won only 3 league games in our last 26 games would test, to the limit the patience of any chairman, Roland included. What bothers me even more though, and I have said it already before is that the suggestion that relegation may be no bad thing (on what seems to be on financial grounds only) for me that goes against everything we as a club have worked for in the last 10 years. The question is, do we really want to be a yo yo club again, is that to be the height of our aspirations all said and done? I would want us to fight tooth and nail to stay in this league, fourth division should not be an option, certainly not at this stage of the season. Good post Anyone suggesting that relegation back to league 2 is no bad thing, are talking nonsense. The decision to back The manager through thick and thin appears admirable- however this backing was not afforded Mr Askey. I wonder what Askey thinks about the situation at Salop?
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Post by Pilch on Nov 22, 2020 19:04:02 GMT 1
In recent seasons we have worked at establishing ourselves again as a league 1 (division 3 club). We are far from the biggest club in this league but with our resources we should be able to very much hold our own at this level. Top half really shouldn’t be out of the question. That shouldn’t be too much to ask. We are heading towards December and find ourselves in a relegation battle. One league win in our opening 12 games is why we find ourselves 4 points from safety. We have time of course to turn it around but whether Sam Ricketts has the know how to do so is debateable. I have come to the conclusion, like others that it can only be off field matters (ie finances) that prevent the club from dispensing with the manager’s services. I honestly don’t think that in normal circumstances Sam Ricketts would still be our manager. The stark fact that we have won only 3 league games in our last 26 games would test, to the limit the patience of any chairman, Roland included. What bothers me even more though, and I have said it already before is that the suggestion that relegation may be no bad thing (on what seems to be on financial grounds only) for me that goes against everything we as a club have worked for in the last 10 years. The question is, do we really want to be a yo yo club again, is that to be the height of our aspirations all said and done? I would want us to fight tooth and nail to stay in this league, fourth division should not be an option, certainly not at this stage of the season. has anyone suggested relegation may be no bad thing ?
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Post by blazey on Nov 22, 2020 19:10:26 GMT 1
Has anyone considered the possibility that, in an industry such as football, and particularly at a well run club such as this, the potential need to pay a settlement to the manager is something that is budgeted for in advance? It’s not as if it is unknown for a sacking to occur before the end of a contract.
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Post by South Stand Salopian on Nov 22, 2020 19:16:12 GMT 1
In recent seasons we have worked at establishing ourselves again as a league 1 (division 3 club). We are far from the biggest club in this league but with our resources we should be able to very much hold our own at this level. Top half really shouldn’t be out of the question. That shouldn’t be too much to ask. We are heading towards December and find ourselves in a relegation battle. One league win in our opening 12 games is why we find ourselves 4 points from safety. We have time of course to turn it around but whether Sam Ricketts has the know how to do so is debateable. I have come to the conclusion, like others that it can only be off field matters (ie finances) that prevent the club from dispensing with the manager’s services. I honestly don’t think that in normal circumstances Sam Ricketts would still be our manager. The stark fact that we have won only 3 league games in our last 26 games would test, to the limit the patience of any chairman, Roland included. What bothers me even more though, and I have said it already before is that the suggestion that relegation may be no bad thing (on what seems to be on financial grounds only) for me that goes against everything we as a club have worked for in the last 10 years. The question is, do we really want to be a yo yo club again, is that to be the height of our aspirations all said and done? I would want us to fight tooth and nail to stay in this league, fourth division should not be an option, certainly not at this stage of the season. has anyone suggested relegation may be no bad thing ? I think he was aiming that bit at you.
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Post by Mortgagehound on Nov 22, 2020 19:29:58 GMT 1
Mr Ricketts little helper is asking us if relegation to league 2 would be good.
Personally I think not
Anyone else?
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Post by Pilch on Nov 22, 2020 19:36:45 GMT 1
has anyone suggested relegation may be no bad thing ? I think he was aiming that bit at you. yes which is why i asked him for proof ive said my biggest fear is a changing the manager and still going down and then having a manager with say a 2 year contract that we also need to sack and pack even more to replace i said we have a manager who should still keep us up and he has a contract that expires at the end of the season best scenario is we stay up and have a choice of what to do worst case can only happen if we sack ricketts now twist that however you like, and then make it sound like i've said something i havent , but theres my opinion right there
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Post by Pilch on Nov 22, 2020 19:37:02 GMT 1
Mr Ricketts little helper is asking us if relegation to league 2 would be good. Personally I think not Anyone else? just here to throw mud again are you ? grow up
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Post by horse01 on Nov 22, 2020 19:42:01 GMT 1
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Post by Pilch on Nov 22, 2020 19:45:10 GMT 1
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Post by South Stand Salopian on Nov 22, 2020 19:45:17 GMT 1
I think he was aiming that bit at you. yes which is why i asked him for proof ive said my biggest fear is a changing the manager and still going down and then having a manager with say a 2 year contract that we also need to sack and pack even more to replace i said we have a manager who should still keep us up and he has a contract that expires at the end of the season best scenario is we stay up and have a choice of what to do worst case can only happen if we sack ricketts now twist that however you like, and then make it sound like i've said something i havent , but theres my opinion right there We’re getting relegated under Ricketts. I’d rather hire a new manager who hasn’t lost the dressing room and fight for League One survival rather than get relegated with a whimper under Ricketts. What’s the ambition in that? Managers always come and go, Ricketts doesn’t deserve to still be here. I’d bet any money he wouldn’t be here if it wasn’t for COVID-19. As I’ve said to you before, if this is the attitude then nobody would get sacked. We need a change and desperately. Relegation would be catastrophic for this football club.
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Post by cabanas2017 on Nov 22, 2020 19:48:56 GMT 1
Fair play to Pilch sticking to his views. It is good for debate to have a disagreeing view......
Would be good to hear from the silent members 9 who voted to keep Sam Ricketts and the 23 still sitting on the fence?
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Post by Pilch on Nov 22, 2020 19:51:25 GMT 1
yes which is why i asked him for proof ive said my biggest fear is a changing the manager and still going down and then having a manager with say a 2 year contract that we also need to sack and pack even more to replace i said we have a manager who should still keep us up and he has a contract that expires at the end of the season best scenario is we stay up and have a choice of what to do worst case can only happen if we sack ricketts now twist that however you like, and then make it sound like i've said something i havent , but theres my opinion right there We’re getting relegated under Ricketts. I’d rather hire a new manager who hasn’t lost the dressing room and fight for League One survival rather than get relegated with a whimper under Ricketts. What’s the ambition in that? Managers always come and go, Ricketts doesn’t deserve to still be here. I’d bet any money he wouldn’t be here if it wasn’t for COVID-19. As I’ve said to you before, if this is the attitude then nobody would get sacked. We need a change and desperately. Relegation would be catastrophic for this football club. thats your opinion and not a fact guess what, you said exactly the same in 2019 and you are questioning MY AMBITION ?
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Post by Lancsman on Nov 22, 2020 20:09:21 GMT 1
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Post by neilsalop on Nov 22, 2020 20:12:49 GMT 1
Fair play to Pilch sticking to his views. It is good for debate to have a disagreeing view...... Would be good to hear from the silent members 9 who voted to keep Sam Ricketts and the 23 still sitting on the fence? I was on the fence, but changed my vote for him to go. Now I'm back on the fence.
I think the last few weeks have seen something of an improvement, not enough for me to say he should stay, but enough to think maybe he could do with another few weeks and see if he can build on it.
In all competitions this month we have scored 11 goals with 2 games still to play, throughout September and October we only scored 12. That is an improvement in anyone's eyes. The goals against column is still not good enough, but to play one of the better clubs in the league in Ipswich and only lose due to a couple of lapses isn't too bad IMO.
If we can get a decent performance and preferably a clean sheet and a result against MK and then get past Oxford City and potentially a decent draw in round 3 I would hope that some would see that as a sign of further improvement.
Come January Goss and Love will hopefully be welcomed back into the first team fold and we can lose a couple of the underachievers from the league squad. That will be like getting two new signings without spending a penny.
Like I said I'm on the fence and am yet to be convinced that Ricketts is the right man. If we are still in trouble by the middle of next month and out of the FA cup then I will probably change my mind again.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 22, 2020 20:34:15 GMT 1
has anyone suggested relegation may be no bad thing ? I think he was aiming that bit at you. If my post was aimed at anyone it would be the Shrewsbury Town board who ultimately need to decide if we continue to stick or twist.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 22, 2020 20:46:01 GMT 1
In recent seasons we have worked at establishing ourselves again as a league 1 (division 3 club). We are far from the biggest club in this league but with our resources we should be able to very much hold our own at this level. Top half really shouldn’t be out of the question. That shouldn’t be too much to ask. We are heading towards December and find ourselves in a relegation battle. One league win in our opening 12 games is why we find ourselves 4 points from safety. We have time of course to turn it around but whether Sam Ricketts has the know how to do so is debateable. I have come to the conclusion, like others that it can only be off field matters (ie finances) that prevent the club from dispensing with the manager’s services. I honestly don’t think that in normal circumstances Sam Ricketts would still be our manager. The stark fact that we have won only 3 league games in our last 26 games would test, to the limit the patience of any chairman, Roland included. What bothers me even more though, and I have said it already before is that the suggestion that relegation may be no bad thing (on what seems to be on financial grounds only) for me that goes against everything we as a club have worked for in the last 10 years. The question is, do we really want to be a yo yo club again, is that to be the height of our aspirations all said and done? I would want us to fight tooth and nail to stay in this league, fourth division should not be an option, certainly not at this stage of the season. has anyone suggested relegation may be no bad thing ? There are posts that weigh up the finances of league 1 vs 2 vs whether or not we can afford to dismiss the manager. I'm drawing the conclusion, (rightly or wrongly, it's an opinion all said and done), that the Board would have acted by now if it wasn't for some other off field reason, which can only be finances. As for proof, I don't have any, just a gut feeling that something else is keeping the manager in post at the moment, because if it was based purely on results he would have gone by now.
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Post by Pilch on Nov 22, 2020 21:14:16 GMT 1
has anyone suggested relegation may be no bad thing ? There are posts that weigh up the finances of league 1 vs 2 vs whether or not we can afford to dismiss the manager. I'm drawing the conclusion, (rightly or wrongly, it's an opinion all said and done), that the Board would have acted by now if it wasn't for some other off field reason, which can only be finances. As for proof, I don't have any, just a gut feeling that something else is keeping the manager in post at the moment, because if it was based purely on results he would have gone by now. i also said we are in the middle of a crisis, and i was replying to someone suggesting if we go down we wont be playing the likes of sunderland and pompey next season i suggested whether in league 1 or 2 our attendance might be exactly the same with zero away fans and perhaps zero home fans or season ticket holders only anyway and if we are still in covid and end up changing the manager twice i said we could find ourselves in dire straits its a far cry from making out i happily want to go down
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Post by tdk on Nov 22, 2020 21:25:35 GMT 1
Fair play to Pilch sticking to his views. It is good for debate to have a disagreeing view...... Would be good to hear from the silent members 9 who voted to keep Sam Ricketts and the 23 still sitting on the fence? I'm one of the 'silent 9' and am still in favour of letting him see the season out. I'm ready to write this season off for many reasons. Would definitely not want to see him given a new contract. I said 18 months ago that I thought he was too inexperienced. If still looking dire in February, then push the panic button.
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Post by South Stand Salopian on Nov 22, 2020 21:30:08 GMT 1
There are posts that weigh up the finances of league 1 vs 2 vs whether or not we can afford to dismiss the manager. I'm drawing the conclusion, (rightly or wrongly, it's an opinion all said and done), that the Board would have acted by now if it wasn't for some other off field reason, which can only be finances. As for proof, I don't have any, just a gut feeling that something else is keeping the manager in post at the moment, because if it was based purely on results he would have gone by now. i also said we are in the middle of a crisis, and i was replying to someone suggesting if we go down we wont be playing the likes of sunderland and pompey next season i suggested whether in league 1 or 2 our attendance might be exactly the same with zero away fans and perhaps zero home fans or season ticket holders only anyway and if we are still in covid and end up changing the manager twice i said we could find ourselves in dire straits its a far cry from making out i happily want to go down 1) With a vaccine being rolled out from next month it’s not optimistic to think we’ll be back to attending normally come August 2021. 2) We don’t know the full facts of what our finances are. No clubs have gone bust yet, which would suggest things aren’t as bad as people are saying. We’d be one of the last clubs to go bust even with a manager change.
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Post by cabanas2017 on Nov 22, 2020 21:37:24 GMT 1
Fair play to Pilch sticking to his views. It is good for debate to have a disagreeing view...... Would be good to hear from the silent members 9 who voted to keep Sam Ricketts and the 23 still sitting on the fence? I'm one of the 'silent 9' and am still in favour of letting him see the season out. I'm ready to write this season off for many reasons. Would definitely not want to see him given a new contract. I said 18 months ago that I thought he was too inexperienced. If still looking dire in February, then push the panic button. I have to be honest he was not my choice for the same reason of being inexperienced and learning on the job however have backed him until this season. I just feel the form this season, strange decisions and a situation where we have 2 squad members unable to play league games is a sign the Manager has lost his way and making the wrong decisions out of desperation. I can’t see Sam Ricketts turning it around.
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Post by Worthingshrew on Nov 22, 2020 21:37:54 GMT 1
To change tack slightly, does anyone think that Whitehead is adding anything to the party, and should he go as well (which adds to the expense of sacking)?
I’m certain that the only think keeping SR in a job is the lack of finance due to COVID. If fans were in the ground and voicing their anger, as well as staying away, I think the Board would have acted.
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Post by cabanas2017 on Nov 22, 2020 21:47:52 GMT 1
To change tack slightly, does anyone think that Whitehead is adding anything to the party, and should he go as well (which adds to the expense of sacking)? I’m certain that the only think keeping SR in a job is the lack of finance due to COVID. If fans were in the ground and voicing their anger, as well as staying away, I think the Board would have acted. Equally how much has the poor form been due to Graham Barrow and Jon Pitts leaving the club...
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