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Post by northwestman on Nov 20, 2020 13:30:30 GMT 1
This government's responses to acts of wrongdoing: Ignore them, Hide them, Bury them, Deny them, Excuse them and generally just brazen them out until forgotten. No standards, no morals, no decency, no accountabilty. I take it that's Boris's alternative version to the Ministerial Code of Conduct!
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Post by staffordshrew on Nov 20, 2020 13:30:55 GMT 1
This government's responses to acts of wrongdoing: Ignore them, Hide them, Bury them, Deny them, Excuse them and generally just brazen them out until forgotten. No standards, no morals, no decency, no accountabilty. They won't be forgotten, the Daily Mail and others will see to that. Boris is just standing there like Trump, denying the truth.
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Post by stuttgartershrew on Nov 20, 2020 13:32:09 GMT 1
I get the impression that when they talk about "unintentional" bullying they mean that this is how things work around here and that's how we get things done. From what you read you do get the impression that such behaviour is very much a part of the culture surrounding Westminster. Perhaps now they have people prepared to come forward that may change going forward. Those bullied have come through the ranks with politicians who are pushy and want their own way, she has clearly overstepped the usual lines enough to warrant complaints. They are used to the culture surrounding Westminster, she has gone too far and needs to go. Sure. We're not taking about people being pushy or those looking to get their own way. This goes beyond that. This is someone shouting and swearing at you in the workplace, no matter where you work most of us would deem that to be unacceptable. I do however, think that there are those within politics and the Westminster bubble who deem this to be part and parcel of the culture in which they work. That has to stop. Its as if they think the rules don't apply to them or the environment in which they work.
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Post by ssshrew on Nov 20, 2020 14:25:10 GMT 1
Disgraceful.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 20, 2020 14:45:14 GMT 1
The victims weren’t a powerful and very influential religious group so it doesn’t really count!
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Post by stuttgartershrew on Nov 20, 2020 15:07:38 GMT 1
The victims weren’t a powerful and very influential religious group so it doesn’t really count!
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Post by northwestman on Nov 20, 2020 15:37:56 GMT 1
www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/nov/20/priti-patel-home-secretary-behaviour-adviser-standards-quitWhen he took office last year, Boris Johnson rewrote the foreword to the ministerial code, and the start of his fourth paragraph clearly states: “There must be no bullying and no harassment.” And yet, after an arcane and ludicrously inscrutable investigation into Patel’s time in three departments, it turns out there has been. As the former Treasury permanent secretary Nick Macpherson glossed the event: “In my experience, things have to be very bad indeed for a Cabinet Office inquiry to find fault in a minister – the system is rigged to conclude the contrary.” But as it turns out: so what? Priti Patel is, in many ways, the perfect politician for an age when “taking responsibility” means precisely the opposite. It is a great mantra of the right that individuals need to take responsibility for their lives, but this is a government of people who steadfastly refuse to. Even in this specific case, Johnson is said to have delayed reading the completed report for months because he didn’t want to have to deal with it. He doesn’t even want to take responsibility for taking responsibility. Everyone else in this country knows that if they were formally found by their employer to have bullied people in the workplace, they would be put out of work. Yet the home secretary – the home secretary! – will not meet this standard employment fate. She gets a vote of confidence from the prime minister. Downing Street clearly decided it would be worth having to eat s**t for a couple of days rather than look “weak” by sacking Patel, and imagined the story would die down swiftly enough for them to have “got away with it”. But they haven’t. Every case like this chips away at the remaining vestiges of respect people have for politicians.
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Post by northwestman on Nov 20, 2020 15:54:01 GMT 1
I note that Allegra Stratton is already warming to her task of being Boris's new chief propagandist towards the media. In this case, blaming Civil Servants from 3 Government Departments for failing to point out Patel's bullying to her personally.
'Mr Johnson's press secretary Allegra Stratton told reporters today Ms Patel had made a 'full and frank' apology, adding: 'He does take this issue extremely seriously ... it is Sir Alex Allan that details that there was no evidence she was aware of the impact of her behaviour, no feedback given to her at the time.
‘I can continue to read it out but I know you can look at it for yourself.
‘My point is that it is Sir Alex Allan who is saying to the Prime Minister that there are mitigating factors and the Home Secretary’s behaviour needs to be seen in context.’
The Prime Minister’s official spokesman added: ‘The PM is reassured that the Home Secretary is sorry for inadvertently upsetting those whom she was working with.
‘But ultimately as the arbiter of the ministerial code, weighing up all of the factors, the Prime Minister doesn’t believe there was a breach.’
Daily Mail.
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Post by northwestman on Nov 20, 2020 15:58:05 GMT 1
'In private Mr Johnson told Tory MPs on a WhatsApp group that the time had come to “form a square around the prittster”.'
The Times.
Appalling.
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Post by northwestman on Nov 20, 2020 16:08:41 GMT 1
The chairman of the Committee on Standards in Public Life – former MI5 director general Lord Evans of Weardale - has now been asked to investigate Ms Patel’s conduct.
Pointless exercise if Boris ignores whatever this guy comes up with. Boris clearly hasn't got any standards.
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Post by The Shropshire Tenor on Nov 20, 2020 16:17:21 GMT 1
I’m told that the head of government ethics has resigned, so there’s a vacancy that’s pointless filling.
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Post by northwestman on Nov 20, 2020 16:28:34 GMT 1
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Post by stuttgartershrew on Nov 20, 2020 16:37:47 GMT 1
Findings of the Independent Adviser (summary only)...
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Post by zenfootball2 on Nov 20, 2020 16:46:29 GMT 1
Those bullied have come through the ranks with politicians who are pushy and want their own way, she has clearly overstepped the usual lines enough to warrant complaints. They are used to the culture surrounding Westminster, she has gone too far and needs to go. Sure. We're not taking about people being pushy or those looking to get their own way. This goes beyond that. This is someone shouting and swearing at you in the workplace, no matter where you work most of us would deem that to be unacceptable. I do however, think that there are those within politics and the Westminster bubble who deem this to be part and parcel of the culture in which they work. That has to stop. Its as if they think the rules don't apply to them or the environment in which they work.
if this went to an independent tribunral they would not find in the ministers favour, you would hope that the goverment who set the laws would lead by example but we have already seen how this goverment keeps setting a new low. After the failure to deal with this by Boris and his cronies i would imagine that staff who experience this will probably think there is no point reporting this and then either leave,ask to be moved to another department or endure it.
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Post by ssshrew on Nov 20, 2020 17:40:39 GMT 1
It just shows the Prime Minister up yet again for the spineless twerp he undoubtedly is,
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Post by northwestman on Nov 20, 2020 17:54:34 GMT 1
The chair of the Home Affairs select committee has requested a copy of the investigation into Priti Patel so MPs can consider allegations of misconduct and bullying.
Yvette Cooper, a Labour MP, said: "The issues raised by Sir Alex Allan's inquiry are extremely serious, and his resignation in the light of the Prime Minister's response makes them doubly so.
"I am therefore asking the Cabinet Secretary to provide the Home Affairs Select Committee with a copy of the full report as a first step so that we can consider the issues it raises on misconduct, bullying and the operations of the Home Office.
"Public servants working in Government departments must never be bullied by ministers or treated with disrespect and they need to know there are standards and safeguards in place to prevent that happening.
"The apparent breakdown of an effective working relationship between the Home Secretary and senior Home Office officials during this period also raises serious questions.
"The country cannot afford to have a distracted Home Office at a time when the department faces urgent challenges from the Windrush reforms to post-Brexit security co-operation."
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Post by stuttgartershrew on Nov 20, 2020 18:15:21 GMT 1
Sure. We're not taking about people being pushy or those looking to get their own way. This goes beyond that. This is someone shouting and swearing at you in the workplace, no matter where you work most of us would deem that to be unacceptable. I do however, think that there are those within politics and the Westminster bubble who deem this to be part and parcel of the culture in which they work. That has to stop. Its as if they think the rules don't apply to them or the environment in which they work.
i would imagine that staff who experience this will probably think there is no point reporting this and then either leave,ask to be moved to another department or endure it. Maybe. Although its reported that things have now changed and things are now better between the two. So it would seem that it has been addressed. It would be nice to be able to read the full report as we would then know what was said, to whom (if indeed it was said to a specific individual or group) and how it was finally managed. And you do wonder if it was allowed to continue over time, why.
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Post by Mortgagehound on Nov 20, 2020 18:41:01 GMT 1
Only one answer to Mrs Patels situation.......this one......
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Post by edgmond on Nov 20, 2020 19:12:04 GMT 1
It seems that the Chief Pirate isn’t going to push Patel and I can’t imagine her jumping just yet....unless Gove/Cummings have made her a better offer for when the Tories get rid of Johnson.
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Post by northwestman on Nov 20, 2020 19:14:19 GMT 1
It seems that the Chief Pirate isn’t going to push Patel and I can’t imagine her jumping just yet....unless Gove/Cummings have made her a better offer for when the Tories get rid of Johnson. Be assured that Gove and Cummings will still be very much in touch with one another.
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Post by northwestman on Nov 20, 2020 19:19:45 GMT 1
Allegra Stratton last week: Bullying in Number 10 reduced me to tears.
Allegra Stratton this week: It's fine that Priti Patel is a bully.
Is there a prize for gaslighting yourself?
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Post by ssshrew on Nov 20, 2020 19:23:07 GMT 1
Maybe not but it shows what a two faced bunch they are who wouldn’t know the truth if it hit them in the face. She’ll fit in well with this bunch of horrors - she speaks their language.
Vile the lot of them.
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Post by northwestman on Nov 20, 2020 19:30:14 GMT 1
news.sky.com/story/priti-patel-praises-brilliant-civil-servants-in-first-televised-comments-after-bullying-report-apology-12137383Priti Patel has praised "brilliant civil servants" in her first televised comments since being forced to apologise over bullying allegations. The home secretary said she was "sorry that my behaviour has upset people", adding that she had "never intentionally set out to upset anyone". She continued: "I work with thousands of brilliant civil servants every single day and we work together, day in, day out, to deliver on the agenda of this government. "And I'm absolutely sorry for anyone that I have upset." Dripping with insincerity and a pathetic attempt to shut things down, coupled with Johnson's comment that 'he considers this matter now closed', which is his standard response.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 20, 2020 19:42:13 GMT 1
The victims weren’t a powerful and very influential religious group so it doesn’t really count! That's an interesting point when you consider people's responses to this episode. It makes you wonder why they weren't more 'sensible' regarding the amount of Anti-Semitism in the Labour Party, or with Abbott with drinking a can of booze. Obviously, we know the answer, but still.
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Post by northwestman on Nov 20, 2020 19:58:16 GMT 1
Philip Rutnam has issued a statement saying that he DID raise the issue of bullying with Patel.
'I have a high regard for Sir Alex Allan and regret his resignation, but I was at no stage asked to contribute evidence to the Cabinet Office investigation which gave rise to his advice to the Prime Minister.
The advice states that no feedback was given to the Home Secretary and that she was therefore unaware of issues that she might otherwise have addressed. This is not correct. As early as August 2019, the month after her appointment, she was advised that she must not swear and shout at staff. I advised her on a number of further occasions between September 2019 and February 2020 about the need to treat staff with respect, and to make changes to protect health, safety and wellbeing.
Enormous efforts were made from top to bottom in the Home Office to support the new Home Secretary and respond to her direction, and significant achievements have resulted. The advice does not fairly reflect this.'
Sir Philip Rutnam.
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Post by ssshrew on Nov 20, 2020 20:54:22 GMT 1
news.sky.com/story/priti-patel-praises-brilliant-civil-servants-in-first-televised-comments-after-bullying-report-apology-12137383Priti Patel has praised "brilliant civil servants" in her first televised comments since being forced to apologise over bullying allegations. The home secretary said she was "sorry that my behaviour has upset people", adding that she had "never intentionally set out to upset anyone". She continued: "I work with thousands of brilliant civil servants every single day and we work together, day in, day out, to deliver on the agenda of this government. "And I'm absolutely sorry for anyone that I have upset." Dripping with insincerity and a pathetic attempt to shut things down, coupled with Johnson's comment that 'he considers this matter now closed', which is his standard response. And we are meant to believe her?!!! Rubbish.
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Post by darkshrew on Nov 20, 2020 22:34:24 GMT 1
Getting close to Trump in shameful behaviour.
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Post by staffordshrew on Nov 20, 2020 23:51:56 GMT 1
Boris may consider the matter closed, but it isn't. Will rumble on until the correct resolution.
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Post by northwestman on Nov 21, 2020 10:26:57 GMT 1
Two senior Whitehall sources told The Times that Mr Johnson had tried and failed to convince Sir Alex Allan to water down his findings. The prime minister is understood to have asked Sir Alex to tone down his conclusion that Ms Patel’s behaviour amounted to bullying.
Mr Johnson told Conservative MPs in a private WhatsApp group that the time had come to “form a square around the prittster”.
The Times.
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Post by Pilch on Nov 21, 2020 10:29:51 GMT 1
Boris may consider the matter closed, but it isn't. Will rumble on until the correct resolution. should be good for a few months on here i might even be bothered to check out what happened myself one day if im really bored
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