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Post by Deleted on Nov 19, 2020 23:21:36 GMT 1
Boris has had the report on Patel’s supposed bullying of civil servants since the Summer . Tomorrow is decision day , will she stay or will Boris get rid. We should find out tomorrow .
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Post by Deleted on Nov 20, 2020 8:39:56 GMT 1
Boris has had the report on Patel’s supposed bullying of civil servants since the Summer . Tomorrow is decision day , will she stay or will Boris get rid. We should find out tomorrow . Yeh but Jeremy Corbyn...............
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Post by northwestman on Nov 20, 2020 9:47:09 GMT 1
Boris Johnson will defend his embattled home secretary today after an official inquiry concluded that she breached the ministerial code by bullying civil servants.
Priti Patel is expected to apologise after a Whitehall investigation found that she had “not always met the high standards” required of ministers.
The prime minister intends to reject calls for her resignation. He will point to the report’s conclusion that her actions may have been “unintentional” and its criticism of senior civil servants for not raising their concerns directly with her before they became public.
He will also refuse to publish the full Cabinet Office investigation into Ms Patel’s behaviour that led to the report by Sir Alex Allan, his adviser on ministerial standards.
Last night Dave Penman, head of the FDA union, which represents senior civil servants, said that it would be unprecedented for Mr Johnson to clear Ms Patel if she had been found to have breached the code.
“In his foreword to the ministerial code, Boris Johnson said, ‘There must be no bullying and no harassment.’
“If substance has been found in some of the allegations against the home secretary, then the prime minister should have no choice but to conclude that the code has been breached.
“As prime minister, he is the sole arbiter of the ministerial code but he is also minister for the civil service.
“Having pledged his support for the home secretary when the investigation began, and now sat on the report since the summer, he has already undermined confidence in this being a fair and impartial process.”
The Times.
So, that's about par for the course for Johnson. Breach of the Ministerial Code should mean immediate resignation, but clearly that is unlikely to be the case here. Well, not unless Carrie says she should go anyway!
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Post by Deleted on Nov 20, 2020 9:51:42 GMT 1
Yeh but she only bullied in a limited and very specific way!
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Post by northwestman on Nov 20, 2020 10:01:18 GMT 1
www.theguardian.com/politics/2020/nov/19/boris-johnson-expected-to-rule-on-priti-patel-bullying-claims-within-weeksSources familiar with the inquiry said it had found evidence that civil servants were treated poorly by Patel, as well as compelling evidence of bullying. Pressure on the prime minister to sack Patel is growing as a result of claims of bullying and harassment from civil servants in three separate government departments. Speculation over the inquiry has prompted condemnation of the Cabinet Office inquiry process, which is conducted in secret and offers no recourse for complainants. Johnson has already been criticised for compromising the process by insisting before the inquiry had ended that he would continue to support Patel. Allegations against the MP for Witham emerged in March after the resignation of Philip Rutnam, the former Home Office permanent secretary, over what he described as a “vicious and orchestrated campaign” against him for challenging the alleged mistreatment of civil servants. According to reports, a senior Home Office official collapsed after a fractious meeting with Patel, who is understood to have successfully asked for another senior official in the department to be moved from their job. It also emerged that an official in the Department for Work and Pensions (DWP) had received a £25,000 payout after she alleged that she had been bullied in 2015 by Patel, who was employment minister at the time. The DWP did not admit liability and the case did not come before a tribunal. Officials in Patel’s private office at the Department for International Development allegedly accused her of humiliating civil servants in front of others while a minister in 2017. Patel is also facing the possibility of being questioned at a 10-day employment tribunal hearing next September after lawyers for Rutnam pushed forward with a claim for constructive dismissal. What's the betting that the Rutnam case against Patel will be settled out of court? Sonia Khan's claim against Cummings was settled this way, with her receiving a large payoff. www.theguardian.com/politics/2020/nov/13/special-adviser-sacked-by-dominic-cummings-to-receive-payoff
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Post by northwestman on Nov 20, 2020 10:05:53 GMT 1
Yeh but she only bullied in a limited and very specific way! Yeah, the 'unintentional' bullying of Patel was your fault if you didn't complain about it to her it would seem! And heaven forbid that you should 1st make your complaints in public.
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Post by northwestman on Nov 20, 2020 10:16:22 GMT 1
Another report (like the Russian one) sat on by Boris for months I note. It's only now seen the light of day because the contents have been leaked.
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Post by ssshrew on Nov 20, 2020 10:18:43 GMT 1
Nothing will happen to her. Precedents have been set.
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Post by staffordshrew on Nov 20, 2020 10:22:11 GMT 1
Some of our top experienced civil servants resigned and gave up their career over this. She damaged the background workings of this country and is clearly unfit for office. Usual thing though, if you are one of the chosen ones you prosper from your failings, like Jenrick, Dido, Grayling. Come on Carrie, sort Boris out!
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Post by Deleted on Nov 20, 2020 10:27:25 GMT 1
Nothing will happen to her. Precedents have been set. You are correct precedents have been set. On all other occasions the miscreant has resigned or been sacked without exception.
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Post by northwestman on Nov 20, 2020 10:36:40 GMT 1
'To win back the trust of the British people, we must uphold the very highest standards of propriety – and this code sets out how we must do so. There must be no bullying and no harassment; no leaking; no breach of collective responsibility. No misuse of taxpayer money and no actual or perceived conflicts of interest. The precious principles of public life enshrined in this document – integrity, objectivity, accountability, transparency, honesty and leadership in the public interest – must be honoured at all times; as must the political impartiality of our much admired civil service. Crucially, there must be no delay - and no misuse of process or procedure by any individual Minister that would seek to stall the collective decisions necessary to deliver Brexit and secure the wider changes needed across our United Kingdom. The time has come to act, to take decisions, and to give strong leadership to change this country for the better. That is what this Government will do'. Boris Johnson. Ministerial Code of Conduct. www.gov.uk/government/publications/ministerial-codeMethinks pink pigs were circling overhead when he wrote this foreword, as his government seems to have broken every single one of the principles he's mentioned. No wonder the Code is being treated with such contempt in the Patel case..
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Post by andycapp on Nov 20, 2020 10:38:44 GMT 1
Mixed feelings on this one, I certainly have no time for bullies anywhere. Having said that, I prior to retirement was a senior manager in public organisation and witnessed plenty of employees that alleged they were being bullied, just because they were being called out for not doing their job. I’m not saying that this was the case here but it could be.
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Post by northwestman on Nov 20, 2020 10:45:06 GMT 1
I reckon the phrase 'unintentional bullying' is going to be right up there with Barnard Castle in the list of pathetic excuses as to why someone from the government shouldn't be sacked.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 20, 2020 10:48:21 GMT 1
Yeh but Labour are antisemites.
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Post by northwestman on Nov 20, 2020 10:53:11 GMT 1
Mixed feelings on this one, I certainly have no time for bullies anywhere. Having said that, I prior to retirement was a senior manager in public organisation and witnessed plenty of employees that alleged they were being bullied, just because they were being called out for not doing their job. I’m not saying that this was the case here but it could be. www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-51705069I think that evidence is already in place here. No way will the government allow the Rutnam Tribunal case against Patel to go ahead. He'll be paid off.
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Post by northwestman on Nov 20, 2020 11:06:41 GMT 1
Dear Priti, if you aren't nice to people, I shall set Carrie on you, because she really knows how to be unpleasant.
Signed Boris.
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Post by Feedo Gnasher on Nov 20, 2020 11:13:28 GMT 1
To ‘unintentionally bully’ someone smacks of ignorance and a chronic lack of self awareness.
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Post by ThrobsBlackHat on Nov 20, 2020 11:15:13 GMT 1
Victims being blamed for not reporting something directly does not sit quite right.
Try and apply that logic to a domestic violence or rape case.
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Post by Feedo Gnasher on Nov 20, 2020 11:42:05 GMT 1
Victims being blamed for not reporting something directly does not sit quite right. Try and apply that logic to a domestic violence or rape case. Imagine how daunting it’d be to report bullying when it’s coming from the most senior and powerful person in the establishment, must’ve felt completely powerless.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 20, 2020 11:45:11 GMT 1
To ‘unintentionally bully’ someone smacks of ignorance and a chronic lack of self awareness. I would just go with utter stupidity.
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Post by venceremos on Nov 20, 2020 11:51:32 GMT 1
I will be shocked if anything happens to Patel. She's been sacked once for breaching the ministerial code but that was when she was part of a slightly more honourable government that had some standards. Breaching it a second time ought to bring the same result.
This government has so far shown itself to have no discernible minimum standards of behaviour or responsibility (Jenrick, Williamson, Cummings, PPE), so I expect there'll be at most a few meaningless platitudes but effectively no action taken.
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Post by staffordshrew on Nov 20, 2020 12:53:45 GMT 1
The scandal continues: Bullying inquiry head quits as PM backs Patel
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Post by stuttgartershrew on Nov 20, 2020 13:04:17 GMT 1
I get the impression that when they talk about "unintentional" bullying they mean that this is how things work around here and that's how we get things done. From what you read you do get the impression that such behaviour is very much a part of the culture surrounding Westminster. Perhaps now they have people prepared to come forward that may change going forward.
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Post by venceremos on Nov 20, 2020 13:04:29 GMT 1
They think they're untouchable.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 20, 2020 13:10:49 GMT 1
If I were Patel I’d be extremely pleased to have the support of that political behemoth , Ian Duncan Smith . If she gets the support of Grayling and Truss she’s home and dry , she’s got the set .
Onward , ever onward .
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Post by shrewder on Nov 20, 2020 13:13:47 GMT 1
Did we expect anything else from Johnson.
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Post by staffordshrew on Nov 20, 2020 13:21:19 GMT 1
I get the impression that when they talk about "unintentional" bullying they mean that this is how things work around here and that's how we get things done. From what you read you do get the impression that such behaviour is very much a part of the culture surrounding Westminster. Perhaps now they have people prepared to come forward that may change going forward. Those bullied have come through the ranks with politicians who are pushy and want their own way, she has clearly overstepped the usual lines enough to warrant complaints. They are used to the culture surrounding Westminster, she has gone too far and needs to go.
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Post by staffordshrew on Nov 20, 2020 13:26:55 GMT 1
Boris Johnson = Pussy
What a wimp!
Man up and grow some. Start acting like a Prime Minister and leading. Ask Kier for advice after he stood up to Jezza.
As you found with Cummings, difficult decisions are better done early.
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Post by shrewinjapan on Nov 20, 2020 13:27:13 GMT 1
This government's responses to acts of wrongdoing:
Ignore them, Hide them, Bury them, Deny them, Excuse them
and generally just brazen them out until forgotten.
No standards, no morals, no decency, no accountabilty.
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Post by northwestman on Nov 20, 2020 13:27:35 GMT 1
Did we expect anything else from Johnson. Exactly. Same with Williamson. Head of OFQUAL and PPS to Dept of Education take the hit, whilst Williamson remains. And don't even get me started with Jenrick. There's another detailed thread on here listing his many indiscretions.
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