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Post by Pilch on Sept 22, 2020 18:16:06 GMT 1
£749,640 actually as hell will freeze over before I ask for my money back Alot of people won't feel the same I feel. Might be worth a thread with a poll, be interesting. My season ticket cost me more than I’m currently getting in a whole month I have no problems asking for a refund I donated the bury game last year without even having a say in the matter or an explanation
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Post by ssshrew on Sept 22, 2020 18:50:27 GMT 1
It is, of course, very dependent on individual circumstances and I would never think otherwise.
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Post by venceremos on Sept 22, 2020 20:00:07 GMT 1
I don't see how the pilot scheme makes a positive difference financially anyway, surely that's all about building up for a full return to normality. In that case, suspension of the pilot scheme shouldn't make a huge financial difference in itself but obviously it pushes back the date when crowds can return to normal. One way or another, there will have to be financial support given to clubs to get them through this. There are precedents - rugby league was given a £16m loan (and I stress 'loan') because its clubs were recognised as having real community value and of course there was a substantial financial support package for culture and the arts. One problem for football is that the 'community' aspect has been diluted by so many clubs having become the playthings of wealthy owners, often foreigners. Another problem is how any support funding might be allocated and what controls might be sought on the funds provided. There still aren't enough signs that the speculate to accumulate mentality has been eradicated and, if it isn't, there's no justification for public money being provided to sustain it. Yet another problem is that the top end of English football remains awash with money and, for those who aren't supporters of lower league and non-league football, it might be hard to see any justification for a sport that's still wealthy overall to be subsidised by public funds. A windfall levy on the Premier League would cause howls of anguish at the loss of competitive advantage relative to other European and global leagues, where smaller clubs are less of a concern. A windfall tax on the big sports broadcasters might end up in the courts. Tough decision for the government with no easy solution, but I hope the one choice they don't make is to leave the lower echelons of English football in a Darwinian struggle for survival. The pilot games are very important financially, if you think about it 2,500 season tickets watching all season = happy days for them How many of those 2,500 are going to ask the club for £300 back at some point now... Worst case scenario that’s £750k of refunds (keeping maths very simple) Except only 1,000 watched Saturday's game and we were never likely to be in a position where 2,500 season ticket holders and nobody else watched for the whole season. The pilot scheme is just that - a pilot. It's intended to be a way of building towards normality and it's only normality that avoids a financial crisis for most clubs. A short-term, limited numbers pilot scheme isn't in itself likely to be the difference between survival and going bust.
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Post by venceremos on Sept 22, 2020 20:05:35 GMT 1
Outdoors cinema drive in at the ground.... could be a winner. The other place that does it is West Mids Showground but its on grass... lets steal in and take that trade... We need to be thinking outside the box. As I said on another thread, that's year 3000 stuff for town. Hardly. Sitting in a car in winter watching a film through the windscreen, engine running to keep the heater on (which might be illegal in itself) and intermittent wipers if it's wet? Wouldn't be many takers for that. A few times in midsummer maybe, but the club could easily lose money with that now.
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Post by stuttgartershrew on Sept 22, 2020 20:15:12 GMT 1
Do we know from the accounts just what % of the clubs season earnings come from match day revenue?
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Post by Stowmarket Shrew on Sept 22, 2020 20:23:09 GMT 1
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Post by Stowmarket Shrew on Sept 22, 2020 20:28:30 GMT 1
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Post by staffordshrew on Sept 22, 2020 20:31:43 GMT 1
What amounts to a 10pm curfew in place, apart from cinemas? The public need something to keep the spirits up, unfortunately the government will probably think a bit of Premier League rubbish on the telly will be enough.
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Post by tdk on Sept 22, 2020 20:44:52 GMT 1
My fear is that the EFL will only bail out clubs about to collapse and leave the prudent clubs with no support
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Post by venceremos on Sept 22, 2020 20:53:58 GMT 1
My fear is that the EFL will only bail out clubs about to collapse and leave the prudent clubs with no support Is the EFL in a financial position to bail out anyone? Genuine question but I'd be surprised if it is. I think we might see furlough extended to particular sectors and professional sport would surely be one. Other measures, like waiving business rates on sports grounds for the duration, would be a big help. It's going to be about minimising costs and enabling the sport to continue on very limited income. Hard to see what clubs can do to find alternative revenue streams now when gatherings are so restricted. I don't think any EFL clubs can pay transfer fees or agree chunky player contracts now and expect much sympathy from government - or the public - if they come cap in hand in winter.
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Post by Valerioch on Sept 22, 2020 21:00:12 GMT 1
Do we know from the accounts just what % of the clubs season earnings come from match day revenue? Roughly £2m of our income is ticket sales per year (includes season tickets) Almost as alarmingly is food and beverage income is usually about £600k a year
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Post by Stowmarket Shrew on Sept 22, 2020 21:06:57 GMT 1
Indications are the National League will delay their start this weekend. Quite possible it simply won't take place this season.
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Post by Pilch on Sept 22, 2020 21:22:59 GMT 1
if i was in charge of town i'd offer fans the opportunity to cash in their season ticket for a full home and away ifollow subscription this season, on the basis any future games attended in person this season have to be paid for again, pehaps discounted for home games
i've no idea if the club would benefit from this or not, its just and idea, probably more realisitc than the flintstones drive in movie scenario we had earlier ;-)
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Post by PeterBroadbent on Sept 22, 2020 21:28:52 GMT 1
Surely, none of this is sustainable?
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Post by callum on Sept 22, 2020 22:09:11 GMT 1
I wonder if the no crowds rule will drop down to the level of Whitchurch, Market Drayton etc? Would soften the blow to at least see some football.
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Post by staffordshrew on Sept 22, 2020 22:14:48 GMT 1
I wonder if the no crowds rule will drop down to the level of Whitchurch, Market Drayton etc? Would soften the blow to at least see some football. True, I don't think seventh tier football attendance has been mentioned.
I suppose our Wrexham fan will be hoping their league does not start so as to delay relegation for another year.
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Post by Dale on Sept 22, 2020 22:18:11 GMT 1
I wonder if the no crowds rule will drop down to the level of Whitchurch, Market Drayton etc? Would soften the blow to at least see some football. At the moment clubs from Step 3 and below can still allow in limited crowds, think its 600 for Steps 3 and 4 and 300 for Step 5 and below.
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Post by scooter on Sept 23, 2020 8:15:15 GMT 1
I wonder if the no crowds rule will drop down to the level of Whitchurch, Market Drayton etc? Would soften the blow to at least see some football. At the moment clubs from Step 3 and below can still allow in limited crowds, think its 600 for Steps 3 and 4 and 300 for Step 5 and below. I thought they are restricted to 30% of capacity, which in local cases is 300 (capacity of 1,000) but could be more or less than that
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Post by LetchworthShrew on Sept 23, 2020 8:54:11 GMT 1
At the moment clubs from Step 3 and below can still allow in limited crowds, think its 600 for Steps 3 and 4 and 300 for Step 5 and below. I thought they are restricted to 30% of capacity, which in local cases is 300 (capacity of 1,000) but could be more or less than that It isn't based on actual capacity but 30% of the minimum capacity for the ground grading at each level. Some clubs with much higher actual capacity were a tad miffed!! There have been some concerning pictures on twitter of fans congregating behind goals and then there was scenes after the Hastag v Soham FA Cup game that BBC streamed on Monday. I hope clubs can do something about it.
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Post by El Huracán!!!! on Sept 23, 2020 9:11:59 GMT 1
As I said on another thread, that's year 3000 stuff for town. Hardly. Sitting in a car in winter watching a film through the windscreen, engine running to keep the heater on (which might be illegal in itself) and intermittent wipers if it's wet? Wouldn't be many takers for that. A few times in midsummer maybe, but the club could easily lose money with that now. Fair point, but was just trying to make the point that mothballing the stadium for months again is the worst option. Attempting to use the site to host some other events for a cash flow would be idea. I get weather and the covid situation will mean most ideas wont work.
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Post by zenfootball2 on Sept 23, 2020 10:09:33 GMT 1
Hardly. Sitting in a car in winter watching a film through the windscreen, engine running to keep the heater on (which might be illegal in itself) and intermittent wipers if it's wet? Wouldn't be many takers for that. A few times in midsummer maybe, but the club could easily lose money with that now. Fair point, but was just trying to make the point that mothballing the stadium for months again is the worst option. Attempting to use the site to host some other events for a cash flow would be idea. I get weather and the covid situation will mean most ideas wont work. the problem town have in trying to diversify during current cvovid-19 restrictions anything involving face to face contact will not work, with workers working from home with windowes/zoom etc the need for office space is not viable. so they need to think about increasing there own online presence with the shop, what skills do they have that can be marketed ,players have a zoom meet and greet with fans for a nominal sum . at the present time traditional revenue streams have stoped so they are going to have to think outside the box
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Post by LetchworthShrew on Sept 23, 2020 11:10:31 GMT 1
We understand the Government’s decision, as the health of the nation is the priority. However, it is important to recognise that the impact on football will be huge.
Clubs up and down the country are really struggling, and many will have been looking forward to crowds coming back in order to provide much-needed income during these difficult times. Many, at all levels of the game, are battling to survive.
We welcome the Government’s commitment to provide financial support to clubs and will continue to work together on a return of crowds as soon as it’s safe to do so.
We also welcome the continuation of the grassroots game, and the elite game behind closed doors, to help support the physical and mental wellbeing of millions of players across the country, with outdoor exercise more important now than ever.
By FA Staff
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Post by LetchworthShrew on Sept 23, 2020 14:27:40 GMT 1
Tighter local restrictions for non-league in north-east issued by Durham & Northumberland FA's
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Post by Pilch on Sept 23, 2020 14:56:59 GMT 1
i moaned about the hashtag fans on monday they played at the ground of bowers and pitsea
i noticed bowers and pitsea played at home last night in the cup, not sure if fans attended but i would be interested to know what cleansing if any topok place between monday and tuesday if they did
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Post by Stowmarket Shrew on Sept 23, 2020 20:55:13 GMT 1
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Post by Worthingshrew on Sept 23, 2020 21:01:37 GMT 1
Very little about the Government’s response is logical or makes sense. Knee jerk reactions to appease various factions.
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Post by vixenshrew on Sept 23, 2020 21:48:50 GMT 1
I don’t understand why it has been a blanket ban on all football clubs. Those areas with lower levels of Covid and clubs that have demonstrated they have put all the guidelines in place surely should be allowed to continue.
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Post by Stowmarket Shrew on Sept 23, 2020 22:08:43 GMT 1
I don’t understand why it has been a blanket ban on all football clubs. Those areas with lower levels of Covid and clubs that have demonstrated they have put all the guidelines in place surely should be allowed to continue. It's the 'it's OK to go to the pub and eat out, but not go to a football match' that for as long as I live I'll never understand. I was lucky enough to attend on Saturday. I've also eaten out and been to pubs many times since lock down eased and ten times out of ten I know where I felt safer and where I felt more vulnerable. No one's suggesting we go back to the way it was, but 3000 carefully managed fans, as the club showed on Saturday they're perfectly capable of hosting, and with those that feel vulnerable staying at home, just as they might chose not to go to a pub, must surely be the most obvious way forward rather than the profound financial and mental health problems another six months will exacerbate.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 23, 2020 22:15:49 GMT 1
Hardly. Sitting in a car in winter watching a film through the windscreen, engine running to keep the heater on (which might be illegal in itself) and intermittent wipers if it's wet? Wouldn't be many takers for that. A few times in midsummer maybe, but the club could easily lose money with that now. Fair point, but was just trying to make the point that mothballing the stadium for months again is the worst option. Attempting to use the site to host some other events for a cash flow would be idea. I get weather and the covid situation will mean most ideas wont work. Clubs will need to be innovative, to at least think outside the box even if some ideas will ultimately be non starters due to Covid.
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Post by bordersalopian on Sept 23, 2020 22:30:04 GMT 1
Fair point, but was just trying to make the point that mothballing the stadium for months again is the worst option. Attempting to use the site to host some other events for a cash flow would be idea. I get weather and the covid situation will mean most ideas wont work. Clubs will need to be innovative, to at least think outside the box even if some ideas will ultimately be non starters due to Covid. How about a ‘virtual’ match day experience? Pay £xx to get online access to a match, with pre-match interviews etc? I’m sure Radio Salop could get involved with this...they already provide full radio commentary. How difficult would it be for the club to develop a live stream of matches, both home and away? £10 per ‘e-ticket’ would at least provide some income to the club?....oh, wait - I-Follow have already hoovered up that idea and screwed its up...
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