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Post by townfaninnantwich on Sept 22, 2020 14:14:24 GMT 1
I would say the I follow would neally cover the season tickets price but it still charged me this time and no answer from I follow so don't think I'll risk it again. Not seeing live games is bad enough but paying twice for every game no thank you.
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Post by northwestman on Sept 22, 2020 14:15:55 GMT 1
The Forest Green owner, Dale Vince, was interviewed on R5 last week. They were one of the pilots last weekend - but he indicated that no spectators this season would not be a hardship. They had budgeted for no fan income this season - so anything coming through the turnstiles will be a bonus!! Can't see many other clubs having that luxury. Well, according to the internet, he does have a net worth of £107 million, so is in a reasonable position to sustain any losses.
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Post by zenfootball2 on Sept 22, 2020 14:18:08 GMT 1
We will have to!, But I reserve the right to be dead grumpy in the meantime!! me too
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Post by El Huracán!!!! on Sept 22, 2020 14:18:26 GMT 1
You feel that a club like us with 2 mill in the bank might be able to ride this out again... it might give us a year of time to ride it out
But its really clear that some clubs dont have that... they have months before the debts will start to build and build...
Even 6 months for us will be very hard...
I fear for the clubs that will fold because of these issues this season...
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Post by zenfootball2 on Sept 22, 2020 14:18:58 GMT 1
I would say the I follow would neally cover the season tickets price but it still charged me this time and no answer from I follow so don't think I'll risk it again. Not seeing live games is bad enough but paying twice for every game no thank you. have you contacted the club ?
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Post by zenfootball2 on Sept 22, 2020 14:29:02 GMT 1
You feel that a club like us with 2 mill in the bank might be able to ride this out again... it might give us a year of time to ride it out But its really clear that some clubs dont have that... they have months before the debts will start to build and build... Even 6 months for us will be very hard... I fear for the clubs that will fold because of these issues this season... you would hope the EFL would support the prudent clubs but i would not hold my breath.
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Post by zenfootball2 on Sept 22, 2020 14:30:02 GMT 1
the news is depressing but we have a small window to flatten the curve, somthing south korea and germany seem to have done and sadly spain have not
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Post by GrizzlyShrew on Sept 22, 2020 14:32:49 GMT 1
You feel that a club like us with 2 mill in the bank might be able to ride this out again... it might give us a year of time to ride it out But its really clear that some clubs dont have that... they have months before the debts will start to build and build... Even 6 months for us will be very hard... I fear for the clubs that will fold because of these issues this season... you would hope the EFL would support the prudent clubs but i would not hold my breath. What do you mean? The EFL bent over backwards for Bolton and Bury 12 months ago. Sure they will do the dame for any other club in trouble......... wont they ? 🤤
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Post by ipswichshrews on Sept 22, 2020 14:35:08 GMT 1
I've wondered for a while how viable could it be for club to open up restaurant 7 days a week 10am to 10pm. 3 floors to spread seating out?
All day menus seating max of 6? Make restaurant the primary source of income.
I guess staff would need to be taken off furlow and income generated may not be enough. My point is what other ways is there within restrictions that club could generate income?
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Post by northwestman on Sept 22, 2020 14:42:07 GMT 1
Well, if anyone is hoping that the Premier League will help the EFL Clubs out financially, then they are certainly p**sing against the wind.
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Post by Pilch on Sept 22, 2020 14:46:03 GMT 1
I've wondered for a while how viable could it be for club to open up restaurant 7 days a week 10am to 10pm. 3 floors to spread seating out? All day menus seating max of 6? Make restaurant the primary source of income. I guess staff would need to be taken off furlow and income generated may not be enough. My point is what other ways is there within restrictions that club could generate income? and then kick people out just as the match starts
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Post by El Huracán!!!! on Sept 22, 2020 14:47:25 GMT 1
you would hope the EFL would support the prudent clubs but i would not hold my breath. What do you mean? The EFL bent over backwards for Bolton and Bury 12 months ago. Sure they will do the dame for any other club in trouble......... wont they ? 🤤 If 6 clubs go to s**t at the same time... can they realistically do anything?? There is not a lot of money sloshing about in the EFL now
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Post by ipswichshrews on Sept 22, 2020 14:48:41 GMT 1
I've wondered for a while how viable could it be for club to open up restaurant 7 days a week 10am to 10pm. 3 floors to spread seating out? All day menus seating max of 6? Make restaurant the primary source of income. I guess staff would need to be taken off furlow and income generated may not be enough. My point is what other ways is there within restrictions that club could generate income? and then kick people out just as the match starts Peaking a look around the curtains! I guess there maybe some limitations on a matchday. But on non match days I guess restaurant could be open?
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Post by Pilch on Sept 22, 2020 14:53:24 GMT 1
There’s nothing stopping it opening , but it’s not a great advert is it , come and pay for a meal indoors but don’t ask about your season ticket for outdoors
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Post by El Huracán!!!! on Sept 22, 2020 15:00:54 GMT 1
Outdoors cinema drive in at the ground.... could be a winner. The other place that does it is West Mids Showground but its on grass... lets steal in and take that trade...
We need to be thinking outside the box.
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Post by northwestman on Sept 22, 2020 15:01:28 GMT 1
Well, if 4 League 1 Clubs go bust, at least that saves us from any worry of relegation!
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Post by South Stand Salopian on Sept 22, 2020 15:10:03 GMT 1
I would say the chances of attending another game this season are virtually nil. Things will be getting far worse, not going in the right direction. I do fear refunds won’t be given out for 9 months until the club know for definite fans won’t be able to attend any more games. I did get a season ticket this season hoping I could secure a seat when crowds were restricted. Probably won’t bother in future unless by some miracle there’s a vaccine. Same, I purchased my season ticket to help the club out in a summer when they really needed the money, and to guarantee myself a seat in the likelihood that crowds returned in a socially distanced manner. I donated the remaining balance of last season to the club but a whole season over £300 is a different story. Surely the club has to offer refunds or at the very least rollover the season tickets to next year. But for now there will be people worrying about their jobs etc so I can afford to be patient. I feel for the club and all lower league clubs but it’s back to the drawing board. Brian and co worked tirelessly and should be commended for the thought and effort that went into the pilot game and the success of it, and it’s just such a shame that the government have reacted in such a knee jerk blanket manner across all sporting events. Exactly. I don’t see how the club can justify ifollow as a reason not to give out refunds.
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Post by Dancin on Sept 22, 2020 15:25:24 GMT 1
You feel that a club like us with 2 mill in the bank might be able to ride this out again... it might give us a year of time to ride it out But its really clear that some clubs dont have that... they have months before the debts will start to build and build... Even 6 months for us will be very hard... I fear for the clubs that will fold because of these issues this season... We could end up in the Premiership if enough teams go to the wall?!
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Post by GrizzlyShrew on Sept 22, 2020 15:36:33 GMT 1
What do you mean? The EFL bent over backwards for Bolton and Bury 12 months ago. Sure they will do the dame for any other club in trouble......... wont they ? 🤤 If 6 clubs go to s**t at the same time... can they realistically do anything?? There is not a lot of money sloshing about in the EFL now My post was more a dig at whats happened in the past than what might happen in the future.....🤑
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Post by GrizzlyShrew on Sept 22, 2020 15:39:28 GMT 1
Same, I purchased my season ticket to help the club out in a summer when they really needed the money, and to guarantee myself a seat in the likelihood that crowds returned in a socially distanced manner. I donated the remaining balance of last season to the club but a whole season over £300 is a different story. Surely the club has to offer refunds or at the very least rollover the season tickets to next year. But for now there will be people worrying about their jobs etc so I can afford to be patient. I feel for the club and all lower league clubs but it’s back to the drawing board. Brian and co worked tirelessly and should be commended for the thought and effort that went into the pilot game and the success of it, and it’s just such a shame that the government have reacted in such a knee jerk blanket manner across all sporting events. Exactly. I don’t see how the club can justify ifollow as a reason not to give out refunds. So genuine question for those looking at refunds. Would you demand a refund if it puts the clubs future in jeopardy? Plenty of scenarios for this question ive no doubt. Discuss....
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Post by venceremos on Sept 22, 2020 15:51:32 GMT 1
I don't see how the pilot scheme makes a positive difference financially anyway, surely that's all about building up for a full return to normality. In that case, suspension of the pilot scheme shouldn't make a huge financial difference in itself but obviously it pushes back the date when crowds can return to normal.
One way or another, there will have to be financial support given to clubs to get them through this. There are precedents - rugby league was given a £16m loan (and I stress 'loan') because its clubs were recognised as having real community value and of course there was a substantial financial support package for culture and the arts.
One problem for football is that the 'community' aspect has been diluted by so many clubs having become the playthings of wealthy owners, often foreigners.
Another problem is how any support funding might be allocated and what controls might be sought on the funds provided. There still aren't enough signs that the speculate to accumulate mentality has been eradicated and, if it isn't, there's no justification for public money being provided to sustain it.
Yet another problem is that the top end of English football remains awash with money and, for those who aren't supporters of lower league and non-league football, it might be hard to see any justification for a sport that's still wealthy overall to be subsidised by public funds. A windfall levy on the Premier League would cause howls of anguish at the loss of competitive advantage relative to other European and global leagues, where smaller clubs are less of a concern. A windfall tax on the big sports broadcasters might end up in the courts.
Tough decision for the government with no easy solution, but I hope the one choice they don't make is to leave the lower echelons of English football in a Darwinian struggle for survival.
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Post by martinshrew on Sept 22, 2020 16:03:31 GMT 1
Outdoors cinema drive in at the ground.... could be a winner. The other place that does it is West Mids Showground but its on grass... lets steal in and take that trade... We need to be thinking outside the box. As I said on another thread, that's year 3000 stuff for town.
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Post by Bob Rickerton on Sept 22, 2020 16:18:31 GMT 1
Same, I purchased my season ticket to help the club out in a summer when they really needed the money, and to guarantee myself a seat in the likelihood that crowds returned in a socially distanced manner. I donated the remaining balance of last season to the club but a whole season over £300 is a different story. Surely the club has to offer refunds or at the very least rollover the season tickets to next year. But for now there will be people worrying about their jobs etc so I can afford to be patient. I feel for the club and all lower league clubs but it’s back to the drawing board. Brian and co worked tirelessly and should be commended for the thought and effort that went into the pilot game and the success of it, and it’s just such a shame that the government have reacted in such a knee jerk blanket manner across all sporting events. Exactly. I don’t see how the club can justify ifollow as a reason not to give out refunds. I'd hope it isn't used as a reason to not give refunds for anyone who wants or needs one, but I think if ifollow passes were given out for the season as an benefit of not requesting one you'd get a reasonable amount taking them up on that. Who the hell knows though, with the lack of testing at our level and increase in cases I think the season could be back on hold again in a couple of weeks.
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Post by Stowmarket Shrew on Sept 22, 2020 16:59:30 GMT 1
Each to their own but I bought a season ticket to support the club I love and to give me a good chance to get a ticket if fans were allowed back on a reduced basis. From my perspective I'll be also buying an international match pass so I can watch all away games. I've written my investment off already and, for me, was worth it in order to attend last Saturday.
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Post by Valerioch on Sept 22, 2020 17:03:15 GMT 1
I don't see how the pilot scheme makes a positive difference financially anyway, surely that's all about building up for a full return to normality. In that case, suspension of the pilot scheme shouldn't make a huge financial difference in itself but obviously it pushes back the date when crowds can return to normal. One way or another, there will have to be financial support given to clubs to get them through this. There are precedents - rugby league was given a £16m loan (and I stress 'loan') because its clubs were recognised as having real community value and of course there was a substantial financial support package for culture and the arts. One problem for football is that the 'community' aspect has been diluted by so many clubs having become the playthings of wealthy owners, often foreigners. Another problem is how any support funding might be allocated and what controls might be sought on the funds provided. There still aren't enough signs that the speculate to accumulate mentality has been eradicated and, if it isn't, there's no justification for public money being provided to sustain it. Yet another problem is that the top end of English football remains awash with money and, for those who aren't supporters of lower league and non-league football, it might be hard to see any justification for a sport that's still wealthy overall to be subsidised by public funds. A windfall levy on the Premier League would cause howls of anguish at the loss of competitive advantage relative to other European and global leagues, where smaller clubs are less of a concern. A windfall tax on the big sports broadcasters might end up in the courts. Tough decision for the government with no easy solution, but I hope the one choice they don't make is to leave the lower echelons of English football in a Darwinian struggle for survival. The pilot games are very important financially, if you think about it 2,500 season tickets watching all season = happy days for them How many of those 2,500 are going to ask the club for £300 back at some point now... Worst case scenario that’s £750k of refunds (keeping maths very simple)
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Post by Stowmarket Shrew on Sept 22, 2020 17:06:49 GMT 1
I don't see how the pilot scheme makes a positive difference financially anyway, surely that's all about building up for a full return to normality. In that case, suspension of the pilot scheme shouldn't make a huge financial difference in itself but obviously it pushes back the date when crowds can return to normal. One way or another, there will have to be financial support given to clubs to get them through this. There are precedents - rugby league was given a £16m loan (and I stress 'loan') because its clubs were recognised as having real community value and of course there was a substantial financial support package for culture and the arts. One problem for football is that the 'community' aspect has been diluted by so many clubs having become the playthings of wealthy owners, often foreigners. Another problem is how any support funding might be allocated and what controls might be sought on the funds provided. There still aren't enough signs that the speculate to accumulate mentality has been eradicated and, if it isn't, there's no justification for public money being provided to sustain it. Yet another problem is that the top end of English football remains awash with money and, for those who aren't supporters of lower league and non-league football, it might be hard to see any justification for a sport that's still wealthy overall to be subsidised by public funds. A windfall levy on the Premier League would cause howls of anguish at the loss of competitive advantage relative to other European and global leagues, where smaller clubs are less of a concern. A windfall tax on the big sports broadcasters might end up in the courts. Tough decision for the government with no easy solution, but I hope the one choice they don't make is to leave the lower echelons of English football in a Darwinian struggle for survival. The pilot games are very important financially, if you think about it 2,500 season tickets watching all season = happy days for them How many of those 2,500 are going to ask the club for £300 back at some point now... Worst case scenario that’s £750k of refunds (keeping maths very simple) £749,640 actually as hell will freeze over before I ask for my money back
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Post by martinshrew on Sept 22, 2020 17:09:43 GMT 1
The pilot games are very important financially, if you think about it 2,500 season tickets watching all season = happy days for them How many of those 2,500 are going to ask the club for £300 back at some point now... Worst case scenario that’s £750k of refunds (keeping maths very simple) £749,640 actually as hell will freeze over before I ask for my money back Alot of people won't feel the same I feel. Might be worth a thread with a poll, be interesting.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 22, 2020 17:12:28 GMT 1
Outdoors cinema drive in at the ground.... could be a winner. The other place that does it is West Mids Showground but its on grass... lets steal in and take that trade... We need to be thinking outside the box. Follow Walsall’s ideas and have a Sunday market and a midweek car boot - might sound daft but every little helps and difficult times call for different measures
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Post by davycrockett on Sept 22, 2020 17:16:33 GMT 1
This is an assumption based on Johnson's statement saying that the new restrictions may be in place for 6 months. Unless there's a link saying otherwise? Unfortunately his inactions will likely make it longer...Back to school, back to work, back to socialising the rate goes up. The biggest increase in cases is in women 20 to 40 which sort of ties in with schools going back, mums socialising and in turn they’ll pass it onto their Parents and Grandparents then we’re back to 100s a day dying. Nothing Boris has done today halts this....Limit the family bubble to 6 but you can mix with a different bubble many times a day, hows that work? 1000 or even 3000 at a match with social distancing in place isn’t the problem but Boris hasn’t the balls to face facts
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Post by ssshrew on Sept 22, 2020 17:56:57 GMT 1
The pilot games are very important financially, if you think about it 2,500 season tickets watching all season = happy days for them How many of those 2,500 are going to ask the club for £300 back at some point now... Worst case scenario that’s £750k of refunds (keeping maths very simple) £749,640 actually as hell will freeze over before I ask for my money back And me.
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