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Post by frankwellshrews on Jul 30, 2020 20:21:59 GMT 1
I'm in the mood for some mental gymnastics so let's see how the usual suspects spin this latest bit of tweet diarrhoea from everyone's favourite talking Dorito; www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-53597975As it stands, even the GOP are distancing themselves from it but vould this be the start of something? Feels like there's been a steady drip feed of incredible things being accepted by the masses this year, would any one even bat an eyelid now?
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Post by staffordshrew on Jul 30, 2020 20:46:52 GMT 1
Surely nothing could surpass those "hanging chads" from a few elections back? Makes me so glad to live in a country that has fair representative elections where every vote counts. Oh, hang on.
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Post by blazey on Jul 30, 2020 21:11:12 GMT 1
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Post by frankwellshrews on Jul 30, 2020 21:17:29 GMT 1
You might well be right, Jake owd lad. How's tricks anyway, mate? You renew in the end?
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Post by Pilch on Jul 30, 2020 21:34:13 GMT 1
last time I said anything about trump I was as good as accused of being a Hitler fan
all I said was I like the way he comes out with stuff in layman's terms, doesn't do him any favours but I'd much rather that then what we get whoever is in power, what we gets is a cryptic message that is usually incorrect anyway
bottom line is I don't really care about politics in this country never mind the usa
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Post by Red Rose In Exile on Jul 30, 2020 23:25:17 GMT 1
last time I said anything about trump I was as good as accused of being a Hitler fan all I said was I like the way he comes out with stuff in layman's terms, doesn't do him any favours but I'd much rather that then what we get whoever is in power, what we gets is a cryptic message that is usually incorrect anyway bottom line is I don't really care about politics in this country never mind the usa So why comment!
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Post by Pilch on Jul 30, 2020 23:47:15 GMT 1
last time I said anything about trump I was as good as accused of being a Hitler fan all I said was I like the way he comes out with stuff in layman's terms, doesn't do him any favours but I'd much rather that then what we get whoever is in power, what we gets is a cryptic message that is usually incorrect anyway bottom line is I don't really care about politics in this country never mind the usa So why comment! Mental gymnastics
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Post by martinshrew on Jul 31, 2020 3:30:00 GMT 1
Postal fraud is rife in this country. It's likely the same over there.
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Post by neilsalop on Jul 31, 2020 6:45:42 GMT 1
Postal fraud is rife in this country. It's likely the same over there. Postal vote fraud is not rife in the UK, it is a tiny problem. In 2017 there were only 336 case of alleged electoral fraud according to the Electoral Commission and 1 conviction. Most of those weren't even related to postal votes.
In the US voter supression is a far greater problem. Native Americans for example tend to not have a street address and use PO boxes, this has been fine for decades yet they now need a postal address to register and a PO box is no longer acceptable. Polling stations are being closed in many poor or black areas of cities and states, sometimes leaving only a handful for areas double the population of Shropshire. If people haven't voted in 80% of the previous elections for everything from the school boards and the town council to the presidency they can find themselves purged from the voter rolls. Gerrymandering of districts in some cities has resulted in certain zones being shaped like egg timers, with two white areas two miles apart being joined together by a strip running down the centre of a road through a black area, which at the same time splits that black area in two.
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Post by neilsalop on Jul 31, 2020 6:56:08 GMT 1
last time I said anything about trump I was as good as accused of being a Hitler fan all I said was I like the way he comes out with stuff in layman's terms, doesn't do him any favours but I'd much rather that then what we get whoever is in power, what we gets is a cryptic message that is usually incorrect anyway bottom line is I don't really care about politics in this country never mind the usa I agree he does speak in laymans terms and he plays to his base. Lock Her Up. Build That Wall. Get that son of a b***h of the field. Drug dealers and criminals. Muslim bans. Good people, on both sides. The more racist undertones he can throw in the better, but without coming out as a blatant white supremacist KKK supporter.
The guy will do everything he can to hold onto power. When he won in 2016 he was a bad winner, but can you imagine how bad a loser he will be?
I agree too about the cryptic mesages from some politicians. No fecker has a bloody clue about what this governments plans for Covid are after 5 chuffin' months of mixed messages.
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Post by stuttgartershrew on Jul 31, 2020 8:15:34 GMT 1
all I said was I like the way he comes out with stuff in layman's terms, doesn't do him any favours but I'd much rather that then what we get whoever is in power, what we gets is a cryptic message that is usually incorrect anyway He's no politician that's for sure and that's what many were seeking after feeling let down by the political establishment but whilst that can be a blessing, it's not too handy if the person in question happens to be Trump. But I know what you are getting at.
And whilst I'm easy on who wins, for those of who like our politics its a decent watch. Because come what may, whether Trump or Biden, it's going to be very interesting to see how the next few years play out in the US. More so than usual I would say.
Biden looks a shoe in and Trump appears to be panicking (looking to delay), I suspect he is desperate to have more time to allow the economy (perhaps his one and only strength) to recover some in time for when he would like the election to take place.
Brace yourself though Pilch, I think we could be seeing a lot of "Trump latest" posts in the next month or so. You might be needed to do some organising.
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Post by martinshrew on Jul 31, 2020 8:30:58 GMT 1
last time I said anything about trump I was as good as accused of being a Hitler fan all I said was I like the way he comes out with stuff in layman's terms, doesn't do him any favours but I'd much rather that then what we get whoever is in power, what we gets is a cryptic message that is usually incorrect anyway bottom line is I don't really care about politics in this country never mind the usa I agree he does speak in laymans terms and he plays to his base. Lock Her Up. Build That Wall. Get that son of a b***h of the field. Drug dealers and criminals. Muslim bans. Good people, on both sides. The more racist undertones he can throw in the better, but without coming out as a blatant white supremacist KKK supporter.
The guy will do everything he can to hold onto power. When he won in 2016 he was a bad winner, but can you imagine how bad a loser he will be?
I agree too about the cryptic mesages from some politicians. No fecker has a bloody clue about what this governments plans for Covid are after 5 chuffin' months of mixed messages.
KKK supporter? Absolutely ridiculous, completely untrue. This is the type of thing that gets on your tits with the left on this board. You suited being a tad nationalist over being a liar.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 31, 2020 8:49:30 GMT 1
Whether Trump supports the KKK, is neither here, or there.
The fact that the KKK endorsed Trump in 2016, tells you all you need to know about the type of person his rhetoric appeals to.
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Post by sheltonsalopian on Jul 31, 2020 8:57:16 GMT 1
Whether Trump supports the KKK, is neither here, or there. The fact that the KKK endorsed Trump in 2016, tells you all you need to know about the type of person his rhetoric appeals to. I'm far from a Trump supporter - but surely regardless of who's in office people of that nature (KKK) are always going to vote for the right wing candidate over a democrat, doesn't really have anything to do with Trump in particular
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Post by Deleted on Jul 31, 2020 9:09:32 GMT 1
To be fair, much like our own government, trump is in the pocket of the Russians, and I guess he sees his hero putin getting away with all sorts of crud and thinks “why can’t I have a slice of what he’s having”.
Trump may be genuinely thick, cowardly, racist, sexist, delusional and as statesmen like as a cream cracker, but he is only human👍
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Post by stuttgartershrew on Jul 31, 2020 9:11:17 GMT 1
I agree he does speak in laymans terms and he plays to his base. Lock Her Up. Build That Wall. Get that son of a b***h of the field. Drug dealers and criminals. Muslim bans. Good people, on both sides. The more racist undertones he can throw in the better, but without coming out as a blatant white supremacist KKK supporter.
The guy will do everything he can to hold onto power. When he won in 2016 he was a bad winner, but can you imagine how bad a loser he will be?
I agree too about the cryptic mesages from some politicians. No fecker has a bloody clue about what this governments plans for Covid are after 5 chuffin' months of mixed messages.
KKK supporter? Absolutely ridiculous, completely untrue. This is the type of thing that gets on your tits with the left on this board. You suited being a tad nationalist over being a liar. I honestly think one of the best recruiting tools going for the Tories at the minute is certain sections of the left. With talk of fascists, dictatorships, coups, etc. they're doing wonders for the Tories.
Anyhow, pretty sure some former KKK chap and Nick Griffin have shown support for Corbyn at some point in the past. I do think too much is made of such things to be honest. At times anyhow. Just because you have some vile people on the fringes endorsing or supporting some politician doesn't mean we should think he/she endorses or supports such extremism.
But then just to add, Trump doesn't help himself at times. He's far from conventional and lets be honest, doesn't come across as a particularly nice person.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 31, 2020 11:58:48 GMT 1
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Post by martinshrew on Jul 31, 2020 13:42:41 GMT 1
Whether Trump supports the KKK, is neither here, or there. The fact that the KKK endorsed Trump in 2016, tells you all you need to know about the type of person his rhetoric appeals to. I'm far from a Trump supporter - but surely regardless of who's in office people of that nature (KKK) are always going to vote for the right wing candidate over a democrat, doesn't really have anything to do with Trump in particular You're quite right.
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Post by neilsalop on Jul 31, 2020 21:11:48 GMT 1
I agree he does speak in laymans terms and he plays to his base. Lock Her Up. Build That Wall. Get that son of a b***h of the field. Drug dealers and criminals. Muslim bans. Good people, on both sides. The more racist undertones he can throw in the better, but without coming out as a blatant white supremacist KKK supporter.
The guy will do everything he can to hold onto power. When he won in 2016 he was a bad winner, but can you imagine how bad a loser he will be?
I agree too about the cryptic mesages from some politicians. No fecker has a bloody clue about what this governments plans for Covid are after 5 chuffin' months of mixed messages.
KKK supporter? Absolutely ridiculous, completely untrue. This is the type of thing that gets on your tits with the left on this board. You suited being a tad nationalist over being a liar. Trumps father was actually arrested at a KKK march through a black neighbourhood in 1927.
He pardoned Joe Arpaio (the mad sheriff from Arizona) who took being compared to the KKK as a compliment ''"Well, you know, they call you KKK. They did me. I think it's an honor, right? Means we're doing something,".
He has called antifa (for those in the cheap seats that's a shortening of anti-fascist) terrorists. I'm sorry but to my way of thinking anti-fascist should be a default human position. The definition of an anti anti-fascist is a fascist.
So you are correct in that Trump isn't outwardly a KKK supporter and he did make a great effort to disavow his endorsement from David Duke, but Trump also knows that the KKK, the Proud Boys and other white sumpremacists are a big part of his base and he relies on their support.
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Post by LetchworthShrew on Aug 1, 2020 9:18:24 GMT 1
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Post by martinshrew on Aug 1, 2020 11:44:28 GMT 1
KKK supporter? Absolutely ridiculous, completely untrue. This is the type of thing that gets on your tits with the left on this board. You suited being a tad nationalist over being a liar. Trumps father was actually arrested at a KKK march through a black neighbourhood in 1927.
He pardoned Joe Arpaio (the mad sheriff from Arizona) who took being compared to the KKK as a compliment ''"Well, you know, they call you KKK. They did me. I think it's an honor, right? Means we're doing something,".
He has called antifa (for those in the cheap seats that's a shortening of anti-fascist) terrorists. I'm sorry but to my way of thinking anti-fascist should be a default human position. The definition of an anti anti-fascist is a fascist.
So you are correct in that Trump isn't outwardly a KKK supporter and he did make a great effort to disavow his endorsement from David Duke, but Trump also knows that the KKK, the Proud Boys and other white sumpremacists are a big part of his base and he relies on their support.
Antifa are a violent, militant, far-left organisation.
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Post by neilsalop on Aug 1, 2020 13:18:55 GMT 1
Trumps father was actually arrested at a KKK march through a black neighbourhood in 1927.
He pardoned Joe Arpaio (the mad sheriff from Arizona) who took being compared to the KKK as a compliment ''"Well, you know, they call you KKK. They did me. I think it's an honor, right? Means we're doing something,".
He has called antifa (for those in the cheap seats that's a shortening of anti-fascist) terrorists. I'm sorry but to my way of thinking anti-fascist should be a default human position. The definition of an anti anti-fascist is a fascist.
So you are correct in that Trump isn't outwardly a KKK supporter and he did make a great effort to disavow his endorsement from David Duke, but Trump also knows that the KKK, the Proud Boys and other white sumpremacists are a big part of his base and he relies on their support.
Antifa are a violent, militant, far-left organisation. Thinking really isn't your strongest suit is it? If Antifa are really an organisation you should be able to give me details of their website, head office, contact number and the names of the people in charge. Unfortunately since it isn't an organisation and is instead a loose affiliation of people who are actually against fascism you're going to find that quite difficult. FWIW I am Antifa (anti-fascist) and am not the slightest bit violent and neither are the vast majority of Antifa supporters. In fact the number of murders by Antifa in the last two decades in the US is precisely zero. Can the white supremacists say the same? Thought not. www.businessinsider.com/right-wing-extremists-kill-329-since-1994-antifa-killed-none-2020-7?r=US&IR=TNow explain to me again how Antifa are a violent, militant organisation.
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Post by neilsalop on Aug 2, 2020 13:51:06 GMT 1
Trumps father was actually arrested at a KKK march through a black neighbourhood in 1927.
He pardoned Joe Arpaio (the mad sheriff from Arizona) who took being compared to the KKK as a compliment ''"Well, you know, they call you KKK. They did me. I think it's an honor, right? Means we're doing something,".
He has called antifa (for those in the cheap seats that's a shortening of anti-fascist) terrorists. I'm sorry but to my way of thinking anti-fascist should be a default human position. The definition of an anti anti-fascist is a fascist.
So you are correct in that Trump isn't outwardly a KKK supporter and he did make a great effort to disavow his endorsement from David Duke, but Trump also knows that the KKK, the Proud Boys and other white sumpremacists are a big part of his base and he relies on their support.
Antifa are a violent, militant, far-left organisation. You've gone very quiet Martin
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Post by neilsalop on Aug 5, 2020 7:17:42 GMT 1
Definately worth a watch. Swings between feckin' hilarious and dangerously scarey.
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Post by Worthingshrew on Aug 5, 2020 10:17:00 GMT 1
Trump is his own worst enemy, but he actually thinks he’s talking sense. No one in White House has the guts to tell him to stop digging when he’s in a hole.
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