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Post by zenfootball2 on Jul 1, 2020 10:38:06 GMT 1
from the mail;
after Ford close its plant in south Wales in september this year and 1,700 people losing there jobs this will be a boost whilst not employing the same kind of numbers let us hope this takes off. i cant seem to put photos across dont know why? but it looks like a defender
"Sir Jim Ratcliffe has proved that a British billionaire can bring an all-new car to market, today launching his 'back to basics' Ineos Grenadier - a rugged, hard-working and utilitarian 4X4 machine.
The Grenadier, named after a pub in Knightsbridge, is expected to cost from between £30,000 and £45,000 and will go into full production in Wales from late next year. It aims to deliver the kind of no-frills 4x4 performance that made the original Land Rover a legend."
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Post by stuttgartershrew on Jul 1, 2020 11:02:08 GMT 1
This is good new, right? Wish them luck. Bad perhaps but whenever I think of UK car manufacturing I think back to my days as a kid and the Mini Metro and further back still to the Princess and Maxi. Absolutely awful cars... Still, that Grenadier certainly looks to be an improvement on them.
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Post by The Shropshire Tenor on Jul 1, 2020 11:07:24 GMT 1
£30k to £45k is 'back to basics'?
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Post by Pilch on Jul 1, 2020 11:11:24 GMT 1
£30k to £45k is 'back to basics'? they are just status symbols, for the rich to do the school run in
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Post by staffordshrew on Jul 1, 2020 11:20:59 GMT 1
JLR certainly left a hole to be filled when they ditched the Landrover. Hope this does it. Early prototype?
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Post by staffordshrew on Jul 1, 2020 12:13:32 GMT 1
This is good new, right? Wish them luck. Bad perhaps but whenever I think of UK car manufacturing I think back to my days as a kid and the Mini Metro and further back still to the Princess and Maxi. Absolutely awful cars... Still, that Grenadier certainly looks to be an improvement on them. Try thinking of JLR, Toyota in Derby, Nissan in Sunderland and Bentley in Crewe. We can make 'em, it's just the company that's foreign owned.
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Post by SeanBroseley on Jul 2, 2020 11:58:05 GMT 1
The current defender starts at £40,000. So it undercuts that at least. Be interesting if this takes off. I suspect that it won't. People will continue to buy Land Rover for the brand even if this is a better vehicle.
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Post by Pilch on Jul 2, 2020 12:08:38 GMT 1
Be interesting if this takes off. I suspect that it won't. you never know
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Post by Exkeeper on Jul 2, 2020 12:24:33 GMT 1
This is good new, right? Wish them luck. Bad perhaps but whenever I think of UK car manufacturing I think back to my days as a kid and the Mini Metro and further back still to the Princess and Maxi. Absolutely awful cars... Still, that Grenadier certainly looks to be an improvement on them. Try thinking of JLR, Toyota in Derby, Nissan in Sunderland and Bentley in Crewe. We can make 'em, it's just the company that's foreign owned. I don’t think Nissan will be in Sunderland much longer - they are wanting to move to an EU country.
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Post by venceremos on Jul 2, 2020 12:34:22 GMT 1
£30k to £45k is 'back to basics'? According to Auto Express: 'On pricing, we understand that at today’s prices the Grenadier would start with a four. However, with a classification of N1, it will officially be a commercial vehicle, so VAT will have to be added. That means a total starting price potentially close to £50,000 for those who can’t claim the tax back through their business.'
As it's also described as practical and back-to-basics, I'd have thought there would be more comfortable options for the school run but we'll see when it goes on sale in 2022.
I'm not a fan of Jim Ratcliffe but I like that the vehicle's being assembled in Wales - take note Dyson! That said, it is assembly only - its components will be 'international', including BMW engines. I'd have been more excited if it was to be electric, or at least hybrid, but it's encouraging that they're promising 'some electrification' in future, probably from a hydrogen fuel cell (as befits a chemical engineer). The sooner the better.
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Post by staffordshrew on Jul 2, 2020 12:49:57 GMT 1
Try thinking of JLR, Toyota in Derby, Nissan in Sunderland and Bentley in Crewe. We can make 'em, it's just the company that's foreign owned. I don’t think Nissan will be in Sunderland much longer - they are wanting to move to an EU country. Ok, then I'll trump that: Aston Martin. For good measure I also offer a comparison test with another, foreign, "Supercar" - The Lamborghini driver stopped in the outside lane due to some kind of mechanical breakdown and was hit by a van from behind. The Lamborghini was just 20 minutes into its first trip. link: Supercar wrecked in motorway crash 20 minutes into first tripOr the British version of a supercar: Aston Martin
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Post by stuttgartershrew on Jul 2, 2020 13:23:14 GMT 1
Try thinking of JLR, Toyota in Derby, Nissan in Sunderland and Bentley in Crewe. We can make 'em, it's just the company that's foreign owned. I don’t think Nissan will be in Sunderland much longer - they are wanting to move to an EU country. They only recently announced that they are set to continue production in Sunderland.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 2, 2020 13:44:34 GMT 1
I don’t think Nissan will be in Sunderland much longer - they are wanting to move to an EU country. They only recently announced that they are set to continue production in Sunderland. With the caveat that there’s not a no deal brexit.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 2, 2020 13:46:03 GMT 1
Try thinking of JLR, Toyota in Derby, Nissan in Sunderland and Bentley in Crewe. We can make 'em, it's just the company that's foreign owned. I don’t think Nissan will be in Sunderland much longer - they are wanting to move to an EU country. sure i had read about 2 months ago that they had chosen to stay in Sunderland and were closing one in Spain instead??
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Post by Deleted on Jul 2, 2020 13:46:39 GMT 1
They only recently announced that they are set to continue production in Sunderland. With the caveat that there’s not a no deal brexit. Don't think that is right
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Post by zenfootball2 on Jul 2, 2020 13:56:08 GMT 1
£30k to £45k is 'back to basics'? According to Auto Express: 'On pricing, we understand that at today’s prices the Grenadier would start with a four. However, with a classification of N1, it will officially be a commercial vehicle, so VAT will have to be added. That means a total starting price potentially close to £50,000 for those who can’t claim the tax back through their business.'
As it's also described as practical and back-to-basics, I'd have thought there would be more comfortable options for the school run but we'll see when it goes on sale in 2022.
I'm not a fan of Jim Ratcliffe but I like that the vehicle's being assembled in Wales - take note Dyson! That said, it is assembly only - its components will be 'international', including BMW engines. I'd have been more excited if it was to be electric, or at least hybrid, but it's encouraging that they're promising 'some electrification' in future, probably from a hydrogen fuel cell (as befits a chemical engineer). The sooner the better. the interview said that one of the next models would be a hybrid or electric , i think sales will be a factor in this
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Post by venceremos on Jul 2, 2020 13:56:16 GMT 1
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Post by venceremos on Jul 2, 2020 13:58:12 GMT 1
According to Auto Express: 'On pricing, we understand that at today’s prices the Grenadier would start with a four. However, with a classification of N1, it will officially be a commercial vehicle, so VAT will have to be added. That means a total starting price potentially close to £50,000 for those who can’t claim the tax back through their business.'
As it's also described as practical and back-to-basics, I'd have thought there would be more comfortable options for the school run but we'll see when it goes on sale in 2022.
I'm not a fan of Jim Ratcliffe but I like that the vehicle's being assembled in Wales - take note Dyson! That said, it is assembly only - its components will be 'international', including BMW engines. I'd have been more excited if it was to be electric, or at least hybrid, but it's encouraging that they're promising 'some electrification' in future, probably from a hydrogen fuel cell (as befits a chemical engineer). The sooner the better. the interview said that one of the next models would be a hybrid or electric , i think sales will be a factor in this Not in Auto Express. That just refers to the hydrogen fuel cell as its likely future electrification route.
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Post by zenfootball2 on Jul 2, 2020 13:58:20 GMT 1
owners of Defenders that i know were very disapointed when it was discontinued and are not intrested in the range Landrover now produce. you can hardly sling a sheep in the back of them or bales of hay.
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Post by venceremos on Jul 2, 2020 14:07:50 GMT 1
owners of Defenders that i know were very disapointed when it was discontinued and are not intrested in the range Landrover now produce. you can hardly sling a sheep in the back of them or bales of hay. We're all missing that.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 2, 2020 14:12:23 GMT 1
Get a Dacia at a fraction of the price!
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Post by The Shropshire Tenor on Jul 2, 2020 14:13:48 GMT 1
I don’t think Nissan will be in Sunderland much longer - they are wanting to move to an EU country. Ok, then I'll trump that: Aston Martin. For good measure I also offer a comparison test with another, foreign, "Supercar" - The Lamborghini driver stopped in the outside lane due to some kind of mechanical breakdown and was hit by a van from behind. The Lamborghini was just 20 minutes into its first trip. link: Supercar wrecked in motorway crash 20 minutes into first tripOr the British version of a supercar: Aston Martin Any mystique Lamborghini may have had for me was destroyed when passing ther factory on a train journey. Their parking lot was full of tractors, apparently their main business.
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Post by shrewinjapan on Jul 2, 2020 14:20:26 GMT 1
Can't see many paying upwards of £50K for a "basic 4x4" from a start-up with no track record to go on for reliability or service.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 2, 2020 14:23:47 GMT 1
Can't see many paying upwards of £50K for a "basic 4x4" from a start-up with no track record to go on for reliability or service. It's certainly going to face stiff competition from established makes available.
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Post by stuttgartershrew on Jul 2, 2020 15:05:15 GMT 1
They only recently announced that they are set to continue production in Sunderland. With the caveat that there’s not a no deal brexit. Sure. We have to wait and see. And things can change quickly. But even so, the announcement from Nissan it still encouraging for Sunderland and the UK. They clearly value the site and wish to keep its European manufacturing base there. I have no doubt however, that many thought that Nissan would be gone come what may.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 2, 2020 16:46:34 GMT 1
With the caveat that there’s not a no deal brexit. Sure. We have to wait and see. And things can change quickly. But even so, the announcement from Nissan it still encouraging for Sunderland and the UK. They clearly value the site and wish to keep its European manufacturing base there. I have no doubt however, that many thought that Nissan would be gone come what may. Bless you Stutty. I never cease to be amazed by your incredible ability to put a positive spin on your own opinions😂 In seriousness I hope you’re right. I would take no pleasure in seeing so many people lose their livelihoods purely to satisfy tory dogma👍
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Post by stuttgartershrew on Jul 2, 2020 18:07:31 GMT 1
Sure. We have to wait and see. And things can change quickly. But even so, the announcement from Nissan it still encouraging for Sunderland and the UK. They clearly value the site and wish to keep its European manufacturing base there. I have no doubt however, that many thought that Nissan would be gone come what may. Bless you Stutty. I never cease to be amazed by your incredible ability to put a positive spin on your own opinions😂 In seriousness I hope you’re right. I would take no pleasure in seeing so many people lose their livelihoods purely to satisfy tory dogma 👍Errrm. OK.
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Post by zenfootball2 on Jul 2, 2020 19:52:42 GMT 1
Can't see many paying upwards of £50K for a "basic 4x4" from a start-up with no track record to go on for reliability or service. It's certainly going to face stiff competition from established makes available. true but you would hope they have done some market research
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Post by sheltonsalopian on Jul 3, 2020 9:50:28 GMT 1
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