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Post by Pilch on May 24, 2020 11:31:03 GMT 1
back in the day, there would be gatherings of Lynch mobs full of noisey simpletons wielding gardening tools around now ;-)
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Post by Deleted on May 24, 2020 11:44:46 GMT 1
back in the day, there would be gatherings of Lynch mobs full of noisey simpletons wielding gardening tools around now ;-) I have my trowel at the ready. Let's go
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Post by northwestman on May 24, 2020 12:01:29 GMT 1
'At no stage was he or his family spoken to by the police about this matter, as is being reported'. Cabinet Office.
Statement released by Durham police on Saturday:
'On Tuesday, March 31, our officers were made aware that Dominic Cummings had travelled from London to Durham and was present at an address in the city.
'At the request of Mr Cummings' father, an officer made contact the following morning by telephone.
'During that conversation, Mr Cummings' father confirmed that his son had travelled with his family from London to the North-East and was self-isolating in part of the property.
'Durham Constabulary deemed that no further action was required. However, the officer did provide advice in relation to security issues.
In the world of semantics and obfuscation, this statement needs to be looked at in detail, and to be honest requires further clarification by Durham police in order to prevent Number 10 spin doctors taking advantage, and using it to justify their original statement.
'On Tuesday, March 31, our officers were made aware that Dominic Cummings had travelled from London to Durham and was present at an address in the city'. Made aware by whom?
'At the request of Mr Cummings' father, an officer made contact the following morning by telephone'. Was this request made by his father in response to an earlier phone call by the police, or was it a request made by his father which volunteered information about Cummings' whereabouts and asked to discuss security issues at a later date?
'During that conversation, Mr Cummings' father confirmed that his son had travelled with his family from London to the North-East and was self-isolating in part of the property.
'Durham Constabulary deemed that no further action was required. However, the officer did provide advice in relation to security issues'.
This seems to confirm that the police were made aware of Cumming's presence, but (using semantics) that his father wasn't actually 'spoken to about this matter'. Rather, the police listened to what he had to say, came to the conclusion that no further action was required, and moved on to give advice on security issues. This of course stretches credulity, as I'm sure that the police would have to ask one or two questions before coming to the conclusion that there was no case to answer.
What Number 10 will try to argue is that 'At no stage was he or his family spoken to by the police about this matter, as is being reported' meant that the police didn't 'speak' to either Cummings or his family 'about this matter'. They merely listened to what the father said, came to their conclusion without asking the father a single question, and then moved on to giving advice on security. An utterly ridiculous line to take, but that's what they pay spin doctors to try to do.
However, an earlier statement from Durham police seems to effectively close the case for the prosecution.
“In line with national policing guidance, officers explained to the family the guidelines around self-isolation and reiterated the appropriate advice around essential travel”.
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Post by zenfootball2 on May 24, 2020 12:20:41 GMT 1
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Post by Deleted on May 24, 2020 12:29:08 GMT 1
I imagine that Tory Party HQ are telling MPs and ministers to back Cummings.
Daniel Kawczynski would be told to jump and he's ask how high, so there's no surprise he's towing the party line.
However, it's good to see a fair few Tory MPs telling HQ to **** off.
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Post by thesensationaljt on May 24, 2020 12:33:42 GMT 1
Speaking as a life long conservative I think he should resign.
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Post by jamo on May 24, 2020 12:51:17 GMT 1
Speaking as a life long conservative I think he should resign. Knew you’d come round in the end comrade.
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Post by northwestman on May 24, 2020 12:54:29 GMT 1
www.itv.com/news/2020-05-24/dominic-cummings-departure-only-matter-of-time-robert-peston/Only a matter of time before he goes apparently. Party whips spent Saturday night calling backbenchers in an effort to shore up support following Guardian revelations that Cummings was spotted at a town more than 30 miles from his parents’ home in Durham. One backbencher said the calls were a “desperate measure” to gain the support of MPs to save the job of the special adviser. No problem getting DK's support though!
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Post by camdenshrew on May 24, 2020 13:04:14 GMT 1
He really is a shameless goon. And it was The Guardian and the Daily Mirror which jointly broke the story not the Independent. To see him adopt the Trumpian line of "fake news" to try to ingratiate himself with Downing Street comes as no surprise whatsoever.
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Post by northwestman on May 24, 2020 13:34:27 GMT 1
www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/may/24/the-weak-defence-of-dominic-cummings-further-erodes-trust-in-the-governmentInteresting observation! But at the end of the day, the article suggests that Boris is prepared to throw anyone under the bus who threatens his own position. "Cummings has complete contempt for parliament and for the cabinet whom he regards as s**t.” He is the architect of a “hub and spokes” design for government which is circulating within Whitehall and intended to make all ministers subordinate supplicants to an all-controlling centre run by him from Number 10 and by Mr Gove from the Cabinet Office".
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Post by northwestman on May 24, 2020 13:39:51 GMT 1
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Post by Worthingshrew on May 24, 2020 13:56:34 GMT 1
When Boris changes his mind, so will Danny Boy. He’s not got a brain cell in his body.
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Post by chirkshrew on May 24, 2020 13:59:20 GMT 1
What's Jason been doing now😉🤔🤔
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Post by Deleted on May 24, 2020 14:03:28 GMT 1
Speaking as a life long conservative I think he should resign. That’s the spirit! 👍
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Post by Worthingshrew on May 24, 2020 14:08:13 GMT 1
I see that Lucy Allen is saying that the politics around Coronavirus are vile. She maybe right, but is rich coming from someone who spread false information about Keir Starmer.
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Post by venceremos on May 24, 2020 14:58:33 GMT 1
It's down to one important criteria now, if Cummings does not go then this government's credibility does. Nonsense. Totally non story. If only so many Tory MPs didn’t think the opposite. Oh, and vast numbers of the public of course, remember them? Oh well, console yourself with the thought that bright spark Danny K and salop27 agree with you.
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Post by venceremos on May 24, 2020 15:02:02 GMT 1
Speaking as a life long conservative I think he should resign. It shouldn’t even be a party political matter. If you advise on/make the rules, you have to abide by them, not tell the public you’re an exception and they, the public, were wrong. And these are not any old rules and thousands have suffered worse because of them.
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Post by northwestman on May 24, 2020 15:23:45 GMT 1
Boris doesn't do detail. He's over reliant on Cummings, a Cabinet of 'vegetables' (Spitting Image joke from Thatcher's days), and some of his ex City of London guys that he's moved over to be MPs to make sure his weekends are free.
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Post by northwestman on May 24, 2020 15:30:33 GMT 1
'If I was Boris Johnson, I’d get out there and announce an inquiry and then answer every question at PMQs and the liaison committee with “I don’t want to pre-empt the inquiry”. (Note: we are still waiting for the results of the Priti Patel inquiry - useful things, inquiries) The Times. We are of course still awaiting this: www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-51417880
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Post by stfcfan87 on May 24, 2020 15:43:45 GMT 1
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Post by northwestman on May 24, 2020 15:50:41 GMT 1
How come no one has as yet checked out that 'distinctive number plate'?
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Post by Pilch on May 24, 2020 15:57:27 GMT 1
the most shameless thing I have noticed during this is the way the media are swarming around him , with no respect or care to social distancing
not sure about anyone else but I've not been outside for months other than briefly walking the dog near my house and if anyone one passes quite close to me something happens to make me feel uncomfortable , what the press are doing is a disgrace
it certainly is one rule for one and one for another
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Post by northwestman on May 24, 2020 16:03:34 GMT 1
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Post by staffordshrew on May 24, 2020 16:12:36 GMT 1
Cummings car parked in Downing Street, presumably ready for a quick dash to Durham when he loses the job. He'll be back in some guise with funding from a Tory benefactor no doubt, Boris needs him.
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Post by northwestman on May 24, 2020 16:15:21 GMT 1
Cummings car parked in Downing Street, presumably ready for a quick dash to Durham when he loses the job. He'll be back in some guise with funding from a Tory benefactor no doubt, Boris needs him. Does the number plate correspond to the one seen by the witness?
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Post by Deleted on May 24, 2020 16:24:28 GMT 1
Well, I think DC has been stupid, and will probably have to go, better to walk than be pushed, but as Boris is doing the brief, I am sure it will be clear by 17.05
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Post by staffordshrew on May 24, 2020 16:32:06 GMT 1
Cummings car parked in Downing Street, presumably ready for a quick dash to Durham when he loses the job. He'll be back in some guise with funding from a Tory benefactor no doubt, Boris needs him. Does the number plate correspond to the one seen by the witness? That's one for that totally impartial champion of the truth Swanny, though I suspect the newspapers will figure that one out first.
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Post by staffordshrew on May 24, 2020 16:35:47 GMT 1
Well, I think DC has been stupid, and will probably have to go, better to walk than be pushed, but as Boris is doing the brief, I am sure it will be clear by 17.05 Confirmation, as if it was needed, that you are not Martinshrew or Salop27 in disguise, that's a spot on interpretation of this whole thing.
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Post by staffordshrew on May 24, 2020 16:42:12 GMT 1
How come no one has as yet checked out that 'distinctive number plate'? Uppermost in Boris' mind might be the papers have checked the number and do have a confirmed sighting, but are keeping it for tomorrow's papers.
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Post by Deleted on May 24, 2020 17:01:13 GMT 1
Delay school restart and ease lockdown will deflect story.... or will it
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