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Post by ssshrew on May 23, 2020 16:03:41 GMT 1
I have written to my MP, Philip "yes sir, no sir, three bags full sir" Dunne urging him to add his voice to the calls for Cummings resignation but I am not holding my breath Well I certainly wouldn’t hold breath or it will be bye, bye, bye, bye. Philip Dunne is one the biggest yes men in the Tory party. A complete waste of space.
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Post by ssshrew on May 23, 2020 16:06:19 GMT 1
Following the revelation that Dominic Cummings travelled to Durham in March, the Prime Minister took to Twitter this afternoon to remind the public to self isolate it they have coronavirus symptoms. But there will be many in Westminster, including some of his own MPs, who think that advice would be better directed to his own staff. Good timing Boris! They really, really don’t get it do they. Even I, who doesn’t vote Tory but has supported them throughout this time, have given up. I will revert back to normal service and not believe a word they say.
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Post by thesensationaljt on May 23, 2020 16:23:04 GMT 1
Following the revelation that Dominic Cummings travelled to Durham in March, the Prime Minister took to Twitter this afternoon to remind the public to self isolate it they have coronavirus symptoms. But there will be many in Westminster, including some of his own MPs, who think that advice would be better directed to his own staff. Good timing Boris! They really, really don’t get it do they. No they don't. When they come up with new laws, they don't think it applies to them.
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Post by venceremos on May 23, 2020 16:34:21 GMT 1
Who really cares is the question. Cummings is the bogeyman for many with his brexit success and election victory contribution. Yes it seems he didn't follow official guidelines. He's not an elected part of the government so chances of him being removed are practically zero. No surprise for such a Tory apologist to come out with a "who cares?" defence. I'm sure you'd have said the same had it been anyone associated with the Labour Party ….. Reminder: You don't have to be elected to be in responsible public office. Ask Ferguson or Calderwood, both of whom resigned. The legislation (not the guidelines, the actual law) states that " during the emergency period, no person (unless homeless) may leave the place where they are living without reasonable excuse". There are then 13 exceptions to this law, none of which appear to me to cover the circumstances of Cummings. So there's that. I read another apologist (Andrew Lilico, self-proclaimed "expert" for anyone interested) defending Cummings on the grounds that he wasn't travelling to a second home, he went to live in that second home and then left there to return to living in his first home. Just the sort of thing we might expect of the metropolitan elite …… but, hang on, Cummings attacks the metropolitan elite on behalf of "the people" doesn't he? Surely he's not a hypocrite!? I'm not sure what the difference between going to a holiday home for a short break and living in a second home for an equally short time is meant to be - there must be special Tory elite rules that don't apply to anyone else. Cummings is Johnson's key adviser and was therefore central to the government's strategy. He should have self-isolated, not carried the virus the length of the country and put his own parents and God knows who else at risk. If Cummings and his wife were genuinely incapable of looking after their child then other arrangements could have been made - another friend or family member could have looked after them in situ or elsewhere. I'm sure Cummings Jr would have been given priority by social services if it came to that (heaven forbid it should come to that, eh?). No, the fact is, Cummings appears to have broken the law, not just flouted the guidelines, and he was instrumental in creating that law and those guidelines. A better definition of hypocrisy would be hard to find. The fact is Durham Constabulary has confirmed their officers did have reason to speak to Cummings. The government says that's not true. The truth needs to be confirmed but I know who I'm inclined to believe. The fact is thousands of people have died because the virus spread. The rules were meant to slow the spread, which makes their flouting by a key rule-maker all the more sickening. The fact is thousands more have suffered the loss of loved ones and, throughout their suffering, they haven't even been able to get close to them, to say their goodbyes or even attend their funerals. A friend said her last words to her dying father by phone - because that's what self-isolation and social distancing was supposed to mean. There's no question Cummings should have the decency to resign and, if he hasn't, he should be sacked. Some ministers are reported to be furious and it's said he has few friends on the Tory benches - the MP's WhatsApp group is apparently staying quiet, despite the government's call for them to rally round with supportive messages. If the Chancellor's main adviser was a tax evader, should they remain in place? I know our public standards have sunk to a low level but surely not this low. If Cummings survives this, anyone else must be forgiven for ignoring the rules and guidelines and just doing whatever they want. Lockdown's over, restrictions are over, let the virus do what it will.
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Post by thesensationaljt on May 23, 2020 16:34:47 GMT 1
I'm not a Tory. I'm pointing out they're all as bad as each udder. I'll put a link to a Lib Dem peer trousering a few quid if you like. The difference is that Jonathan Edwards has been charged by the police and had the whip removed I don't think Edwards has been charged, I believe he is "under investigation". I'm certainly not defending Cummings, I'm not very fond of him!
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Post by londonshrew75 on May 23, 2020 16:38:54 GMT 1
Just listening to these Torrie pieces of s##t worm there way out of what this arrogant w****r did by doing exactly what we were "advised" not to do just makes my f#####g blood boil. What is clear, old Granty boy ain't that good at Rock papper scissors.....
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Post by Deleted on May 23, 2020 16:39:29 GMT 1
Who really cares is the question. Cummings is the bogeyman for many with his brexit success and election victory contribution. Yes it seems he didn't follow official guidelines. He's not an elected part of the government so chances of him being removed are practically zero. No surprise for such a Tory apologist to come out with a "who cares?" defence. I'm sure you'd have said the same had it been anyone associated with the Labour Party ….. Reminder: You don't have to be elected to be in responsible public office. Ask Ferguson or Calderwood, both of whom resigned. The legislation (not the guidelines, the actual law) states that " during the emergency period, no person (unless homeless) may leave the place where they are living without reasonable excuse". There are then 13 exceptions to this law, none of which appear to me to cover the circumstances of Cummings. So there's that. I read another apologist (Andrew Lilico, self-proclaimed "expert" for anyone interested) defending Cummings on the grounds that he wasn't travelling to a second home, he went to live in that second home and then left there to return to living in his first home. Just the sort of thing we might expect of the metropolitan elite …… but, hang on, Cummings attacks the metropolitan elite on behalf of "the people" doesn't he? Surely he's not a hypocrite!? I'm not sure what the difference between going to a holiday home for a short break and living in a second home for an equally short time is meant to be - there must be special Tory elite rules that don't apply to anyone else. Cummings is Johnson's key adviser and was therefore central to the government's strategy. He should have self-isolated, not carried the virus the length of the country and put his own parents and God knows who else at risk. If Cummings and his wife were genuinely incapable of looking after their child then other arrangements could have been made - another friend or family member could have looked after them in situ or elsewhere. I'm sure Cummings Jr would have been given priority by social services if it came to that (heaven forbid it should come to that, eh?). No, the fact is, Cummings appears to have broken the law, not just flouted the guidelines, and he was instrumental in creating that law and those guidelines. A better definition of hypocrisy would be hard to find. The fact is Durham Constabulary has confirmed their officers did have reason to speak to Cummings. The government says that's not true. The truth needs to be confirmed but I know who I'm inclined to believe. The fact is thousands of people have died because the virus spread. The rules were meant to slow the spread, which makes their flouting by a key rule-maker all the more sickening. The fact is thousands more have suffered the loss of loved ones and, throughout their suffering, they haven't even been able to get close to them, to say their goodbyes or even attend their funerals. A friend said her last words to her dying father by phone - because that's what self-isolation and social distancing was supposed to mean. There's no question Cummings should have the decency to resign and, if he hasn't, he should be sacked. Some ministers are reported to be furious and it's said he has few friends on the Tory benches - the MP's WhatsApp group is apparently staying quiet, despite the government's call for them to rally round with supportive messages. If the Chancellor's main adviser was a tax evader, should they remain in place? If I know our public standards have sunk to a low level but surely not this low. If Cummings survives this, anyone else must be forgiven for ignoring the rules and guidelines and just doing whatever they want. Lockdown's over, restrictions are over, let the virus do what it will. An excellent post, thank you.
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Post by salop27 on May 23, 2020 16:45:39 GMT 1
No surprise for such a Tory apologist to come out with a "who cares?" defence. I'm sure you'd have said the same had it been anyone associated with the Labour Party ….. Reminder: You don't have to be elected to be in responsible public office. Ask Ferguson or Calderwood, both of whom resigned. The legislation (not the guidelines, the actual law) states that " during the emergency period, no person (unless homeless) may leave the place where they are living without reasonable excuse". There are then 13 exceptions to this law, none of which appear to me to cover the circumstances of Cummings. So there's that. I read another apologist (Andrew Lilico, self-proclaimed "expert" for anyone interested) defending Cummings on the grounds that he wasn't travelling to a second home, he went to live in that second home and then left there to return to living in his first home. Just the sort of thing we might expect of the metropolitan elite …… but, hang on, Cummings attacks the metropolitan elite on behalf of "the people" doesn't he? Surely he's not a hypocrite!? I'm not sure what the difference between going to a holiday home for a short break and living in a second home for an equally short time is meant to be - there must be special Tory elite rules that don't apply to anyone else. Cummings is Johnson's key adviser and was therefore central to the government's strategy. He should have self-isolated, not carried the virus the length of the country and put his own parents and God knows who else at risk. If Cummings and his wife were genuinely incapable of looking after their child then other arrangements could have been made - another friend or family member could have looked after them in situ or elsewhere. I'm sure Cummings Jr would have been given priority by social services if it came to that (heaven forbid it should come to that, eh?). No, the fact is, Cummings appears to have broken the law, not just flouted the guidelines, and he was instrumental in creating that law and those guidelines. A better definition of hypocrisy would be hard to find. The fact is Durham Constabulary has confirmed their officers did have reason to speak to Cummings. The government says that's not true. The truth needs to be confirmed but I know who I'm inclined to believe. The fact is thousands of people have died because the virus spread. The rules were meant to slow the spread, which makes their flouting by a key rule-maker all the more sickening. The fact is thousands more have suffered the loss of loved ones and, throughout their suffering, they haven't even been able to get close to them, to say their goodbyes or even attend their funerals. A friend said her last words to her dying father by phone - because that's what self-isolation and social distancing was supposed to mean. There's no question Cummings should have the decency to resign and, if he hasn't, he should be sacked. Some ministers are reported to be furious and it's said he has few friends on the Tory benches - the MP's WhatsApp group is apparently staying quiet, despite the government's call for them to rally round with supportive messages. If the Chancellor's main adviser was a tax evader, should they remain in place? If I know our public standards have sunk to a low level but surely not this low. If Cummings survives this, anyone else must be forgiven for ignoring the rules and guidelines and just doing whatever they want. Lockdown's over, restrictions are over, let the virus do what it will. An excellent post, thank you. It might be but if you can reduce it to neat bullet points I'll have a read👍
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Post by northwestman on May 23, 2020 16:55:24 GMT 1
Shapps was asked about this at the Daily Briefing. He just said that Cummings statement (which is the Downing Street statement) is on the record. When asked as to whether that casts doubt on the police statement, he said he wasn't sure where the confusion arose! I'm not too sure Durham police will have been over impressed with that response.
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Post by The Shropshire Tenor on May 23, 2020 17:00:29 GMT 1
It's about leadership and setting an example for me. We are being asked to make sacrifices and change our way of life for the good of the whole community and the people who are in positions of influence and power have to be exemplars beyond reproach.
Cummings is clearly in breach of the rules he was a party to writing but instead of attempting to regain some honour and credibility he is arrogantly insisting that he has done no wrong.
"Caeser's wife must be above suspicion".
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Post by Deleted on May 23, 2020 17:05:58 GMT 1
All of this is hardly surprising. Cummings and Johnson are the great dispensers of lies and half truths and always have been.They will weasel their way out of any given situation and their adoring accolytes will accept whatever they say.
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Post by northwestman on May 23, 2020 17:07:29 GMT 1
I note that apart from one tweet reminding people to self isolate, Boris hasn't surfaced at all, leaving Shapps to flounder at questions as to whether Johnson knew about where Cummings was (and by inference why the rest of us were left in the dark about it).
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Post by northwestman on May 23, 2020 17:10:52 GMT 1
Q. Can you clarify whether anyone from Durham Constabulary spoke to any member of Cummings’ family?
Shapps says Cummings’ statement says at no stage was any member of the family spoken to by the police.
Q. Does that mean the police are not speaking straightforwardly?
Shapps says he’s unsure where that confusion comes in but the statement is black and white.
The Guardian.
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Post by Deleted on May 23, 2020 17:37:44 GMT 1
Who really cares is the question. Cummings is the bogeyman for many with his brexit success and election victory contribution. Yes it seems he didn't follow official guidelines. He's not an elected part of the government so chances of him being removed are practically zero. - Your
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Post by northwestman on May 23, 2020 17:57:01 GMT 1
Here's another lie put out by the Cabinet Office:
'The PM's official spokesman told reporters at the time that Mr Cummings was isolating 'at home'
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Post by Chief Inspector Swan on May 23, 2020 18:17:22 GMT 1
Some people’s wet dream, this news.
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Post by thesensationaljt on May 23, 2020 18:54:55 GMT 1
I've got to start my Bro's car tomorrow as it has a flat battery and take it for a spin. Does any Juan have the weather forecast for Durham in the morning?
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Post by northwestman on May 23, 2020 19:05:50 GMT 1
I've got to start my Bro's car tomorrow as it has a flat battery and take it for a spin. Does any Juan have the weather forecast for Durham in the morning? www.bbc.co.uk/weather/2650628
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Post by Deleted on May 23, 2020 19:10:36 GMT 1
Some people’s wet dream, this news. Hope we’re not spoiling it for you.
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Post by stfcfan87 on May 23, 2020 19:49:59 GMT 1
Q. Can you clarify whether anyone from Durham Constabulary spoke to any member of Cummings’ family? Shapps says Cummings’ statement says at no stage was any member of the family spoken to by the police. Q. Does that mean the police are not speaking straightforwardly? Shapps says he’s unsure where that confusion comes in but the statement is black and white. The Guardian. In fairness to shapps, he really was thrown to the wolves today. Which was obviously going to happen. Either he, Hancock, raab or gove should have done today's briefing, but I guess that says how pointless these are now that minor ministers do them now. Good of Boris to chuck him under the bus, who will be the sap justifying this in tomorrow's tv shows?
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Post by neilsalop on May 23, 2020 20:08:05 GMT 1
Strange how his only relatives are 260 miles away near where he has a second home.
Unfortunately not true though, as his sister-in-law lives only a couple of streets away in London, but neither of those houses have large gardens to dance around in.
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Post by jamo on May 23, 2020 20:30:58 GMT 1
Some people’s wet dream, this news. The wet dream just got hornier The pack is closing in
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Post by zenfootball2 on May 23, 2020 21:07:42 GMT 1
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Post by MetaShrew on May 23, 2020 21:44:23 GMT 1
Why would anyone expect Dom, the ultimate Leaver, to suddenly start to Remain?
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Post by frankwellshrews on May 23, 2020 22:13:56 GMT 1
Really interesting and if true, scratch my earlier comments.
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Post by staffordshrew on May 23, 2020 22:21:57 GMT 1
I see the identical twin Gove has come out in support - no surprise there then. No caring for your wife and child isn’t a crime but at that time it damn well should have been if it involved doing what he did. Why can’t they see that? As I say hypocrites the lot of them. I am just so livid about this I could weep. They can't see that because Boris can't afford to lose him - he's the brains of the outfit (which is not saying much).
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Post by staffordshrew on May 23, 2020 22:45:34 GMT 1
Here's another lie put out by the Cabinet Office: 'The PM's official spokesman told reporters at the time that Mr Cummings was isolating 'at home' No, no, no! Absolutely clear and true. He was isolating at home, they just didn't say who's home.
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Post by thesensationaljt on May 23, 2020 22:52:59 GMT 1
Is this relevant to the dominic cummings issue or are you doing your bit for tory hq? I'm a 50 year trade union member, Matron, I'll die still being Juan. I've stood on more picket lines in the pouring rain fighting for I thought was justice than you've done endoscopes. But I don't give any Juan a free ride, whatever their political allegiance. But i've become disillusioned with them all to be honest. More cynical of the whole system. But I don't mind joining the Tory party if I thought for a moment it would annoy you.
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Post by thesensationaljt on May 23, 2020 22:58:47 GMT 1
I've got to start my Bro's car tomorrow as it has a flat battery and take it for a spin. Does any Juan have the weather forecast for Durham in the morning? I believe Cummings allegedly made two journeys to Durham. I know he's my Brother, but **** that.
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Post by staffordshrew on May 23, 2020 23:11:23 GMT 1
It's down to one important criteria now, if Cummings does not go then this government's credibility does.
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