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Post by staffordshrew on May 23, 2020 10:55:40 GMT 1
Why didn't one of his his sisters or nieces just make their way down to London to help? They didn't have symptoms.
People were getting stopped by the police for travelling long distances, was it wise for a man with symptoms to be driving, imagine if an unsuspecting local bobby had pulled him up, face to face with a man with symptoms.
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Post by ssshrew on May 23, 2020 11:03:44 GMT 1
I see the identical twin Gove has come out in support - no surprise there then.
No caring for your wife and child isn’t a crime but at that time it damn well should have been if it involved doing what he did. Why can’t they see that? As I say hypocrites the lot of them.
I am just so livid about this I could weep.
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Post by thesensationaljt on May 23, 2020 11:08:12 GMT 1
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Post by Deleted on May 23, 2020 11:08:17 GMT 1
This is the problem for me. Clearly a lie and we also need to consider his role in government policy.
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Post by thesensationaljt on May 23, 2020 11:16:33 GMT 1
Yes, he'd make an excellent MP.
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Post by Deleted on May 23, 2020 11:18:48 GMT 1
Is this relevant to the dominic cummings issue or are you doing your bit for tory hq?
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Post by ssshrew on May 23, 2020 11:19:09 GMT 1
Don’t give him ideas!!
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Post by northwestman on May 23, 2020 11:23:52 GMT 1
No mention in Wakefield's article of relocating to Durham.
But there are some clues as to where they actually are. She mentions her child playing in a doctor's uniform, taking temperatures, and her playing with her child - "As Dom lay sweating, Cedd and I made a palace out of polystyrene packaging.Long after my son lost interest I was busy gluing on towers, and cutting coloured acetate to make window panes. When Dom finally made it into the kitchen, he found me manically applying cheap plastic stick-on gems to a loo-roll tower. ‘Mum’s busy playing,’ I heard Cedd tell Dom, as he trotted off to fetch the oximeter".
It seems questionable as to whether all these materials were likely to have been readily available at a house that they'd suddenly relocated to in Durham.
And then this: "After the uncertainty of the bug itself, we emerged from quarantine into the almost comical uncertainty of London lockdown".
She does seem to be creating the impression that they remained in London. We now know they didn't.
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Post by northwestman on May 23, 2020 11:26:45 GMT 1
I see the identical twin Gove has come out in support - no surprise there then. No caring for your wife and child isn’t a crime but at that time it damn well should have been if it involved doing what he did. Why can’t they see that? As I say hypocrites the lot of them. I am just so livid about this I could weep. Raab has now done the same. Obsequious rubbish. Uriah Heep would make as good a Foreign Secretary.
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Post by ssshrew on May 23, 2020 11:37:44 GMT 1
They’re frightened of him and the unseen power he has with Boris I’m afraid. This will be to the detriment of us all.
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Post by zenfootball2 on May 23, 2020 11:40:58 GMT 1
Statement from Downing Street. Downing Street has responded to the allegations that Boris Johnson's chief advisor broke lockdown rules to stay with his family. A No 10 spokesman said: "Owing to his wife being infected with suspected Coronavirus and the high likelihood that he would himself become unwell, it was essential for Dominic Cummings to ensure his young child could be properly cared for. "His sister and nieces had volunteered to help so he went to a house near to but separate from his extended family in case their help was needed. His sister shopped for the family and left everything outside. "At no stage was he or his family spoken to by the police about this matter, as is being reported. His actions were in line with coronavirus guidelines. Mr Cummings believes he behaved reasonably and legally." More questions than answers there! the child should have stayed at home which is what is expected of evryone else. he wont resign so unless there is there is considrable pressuer withing the party to remove him he wont go and even then you would need a crowbar to get hiout. time for the leader of the opposition to show his metal and dismantle bluster boris.
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Post by northwestman on May 23, 2020 11:59:12 GMT 1
New slogan for the Daily Briefing lectern:
" don't do as we do, do as we say".
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Post by Exkeeper on May 23, 2020 12:00:22 GMT 1
I wouldn’t read it if you paid me.
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Post by thesensationaljt on May 23, 2020 12:01:24 GMT 1
Is this relevant to the dominic cummings issue or are you doing your bit for tory hq? I'm not a Tory. I'm pointing out they're all as bad as each udder. I'll put a link to a Lib Dem peer trousering a few quid if you like.
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Post by northwestman on May 23, 2020 12:05:48 GMT 1
There is no doubt that the London upper middle classes have generally managed to find ways round official advice to live in their primary residences in the capital so as not to pile extra pressure on public services in rural areas.
The family of Cabinet minister Robert Jenrick are holed-up in their half of Herefordshire, the family of Boris Johnson’s sister, Rachel, fortuitously found themselves at the family farm on the edge of remote Exmoor when lockdown was declared and decided to stay there and the Prime Minister’s adult daughter Lara wrote in Vogue of being confined in her childhood home in Oxfordshire.
Daily Telegraph.
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Post by northwestman on May 23, 2020 12:07:11 GMT 1
I wouldn’t read it if you paid me. Maybe not. But that article is clear evidence against Cummings, bearing in mind it's written by his wife.
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Post by salop27 on May 23, 2020 12:50:32 GMT 1
Who really cares is the question. Cummings is the bogeyman for many with his brexit success and election victory contribution. Yes it seems he didn't follow official guidelines. He's not an elected part of the government so chances of him being removed are practically zero.
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Post by frankwellshrews on May 23, 2020 12:58:42 GMT 1
Should be fairly obvious to regular readers that I'm no tory/brexiter but I'm finding it really hard to get angry about this. One of my biggest fears throughout this has been both me and my wife being sick at the same time and not being able to look after our children. I also know their not-quite-elderly grandparents (all 4) would offer to help despite the risk, as what else are you going to do? At least you get a couple of weeks to get over it before (maybe) the worst happens and you have to return the favour.
It's funny how all of a sudden even the anti lockdown brigade have become scrupulous obeyers of the guidelines now. Let's be honest, plenty of "normal" people have flouted the guidance for far less legit reasons (probably a few reading this board), they just don't have the same risk of it hitting the front page.
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Post by scooter on May 23, 2020 13:22:10 GMT 1
Who really cares is the question. Cummings is the bogeyman for many with his brexit success and election victory contribution. Yes it seems he didn't follow official guidelines. He's not an elected part of the government so chances of him being removed are practically zero. Neil Ferguson wasn’t part of the government either, but he lost his job. The government seemed to care in that case i know nothing will happen. Really no point any more. No way to work out what this government wants to do
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Post by davycrockett on May 23, 2020 13:42:00 GMT 1
Should be fairly obvious to regular readers that I'm no tory/brexiter but I'm finding it really hard to get angry about this. One of my biggest fears throughout this has been both me and my wife being sick at the same time and not being able to look after our children. I also know their not-quite-elderly grandparents (all 4) would offer to help despite the risk, as what else are you going to do? At least you get a couple of weeks to get over it before (maybe) the worst happens and you have to return the favour. It's funny how all of a sudden even the anti lockdown brigade have become scrupulous obeyers of the guidelines now. Let's be honest, plenty of "normal" people have flouted the guidance for far less legit reasons (probably a few reading this board), they just don't have the same risk of it hitting the front page. Normal people don’t drive 260 miles for child care whatever the circumstances.... Under the isolation rules his family could have traveled to care for him and his children and even collected them under offering care ...... the isolation rules are very clear and if not followed risk spreading the virus and prolonging the epidemic you might flout some rules but this is a pretty important one that could kill people you visit... bit of a difference Do Not Leave Your House for any Reason....... If your a government adviser would have thought it evermore important to follow the rules rather than just Come up with a excuse Sent from my iPad
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Post by Deleted on May 23, 2020 13:54:21 GMT 1
Johnson has been led by Cummings through Brexit , his leadership challenge and Covid - 19 . He has delighted in putting himself up there as the “ go to “ man, the guru if you like , the font of all wisdom and truth . There’s no argument about this , his influence on Tory policy is legion . As an unelected member of Johnson’s government , because that’s what he is , he has held sway encouraged by Johnson , Gove and others . Similar figures have appeared in governments over the years without doubt , but not one has been shown to have had such an influence . He has been allowed to expound his theories within cabinet circles because Johnson has been so weak . Will he have to go ? Of course he should but the question is , go from where? As previously stated he hasn’t been elected , he’s an adviser in the main who has overstepped the Mark, one he himself helped to set . There isn’t really a position to remove him from . Johnson could still rely on Cummings supposed intellect to help and advise him without any problem whatsoever . I would suggest it’s not Cummings who should go , it’s Johnson . Get rid of him and the jobs half done . This will blow over but any more cock ups and certain Tory MPs will start asking questions , Remember , the Tory Party are good at getting rid of their own , they do like a good blood letting down at Tory HQ .
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Post by northwestman on May 23, 2020 13:55:08 GMT 1
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Post by camdenshrew on May 23, 2020 13:56:15 GMT 1
Agreed. And imagine if everybody else had behaved in the same way. It would make a mockery of the lockdown. Clearly, some animals are more equal than others.
And we still don't know how many times or where the car stopped on the way to Durham - something I imagine happened at least once or twice with a four-year-old on board. Because that's where Cummings and his wife potentially spread the virus to others. If only that government contact tracing system was working, eh?
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Post by Deleted on May 23, 2020 13:56:53 GMT 1
I have written to my MP, Philip "yes sir, no sir, three bags full sir" Dunne urging him to add his voice to the calls for Cummings resignation but I am not holding my breath
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Post by scooter on May 23, 2020 13:58:19 GMT 1
Is this relevant to the dominic cummings issue or are you doing your bit for tory hq? I'm not a Tory. I'm pointing out they're all as bad as each udder. I'll put a link to a Lib Dem peer trousering a few quid if you like. The difference is that Jonathan Edwards has been charged by the police and had the whip removed cummings is being supported by a government that would have attacked anyone else, and did sack Ferguson or made sure he resigned
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Post by Deleted on May 23, 2020 14:39:19 GMT 1
There is no need for a debate on this. The bloke should be sacked, end of.
There is no defence to his actions. The whole thing stinks.
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Post by davycrockett on May 23, 2020 14:55:35 GMT 1
There is no need for a debate on this. The bloke should be sacked, end of. There is no defence to his actions. The whole thing stinks. Add to that if it turns out he or his family were talked to by the police then whoever made the denial should also go
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Post by northwestman on May 23, 2020 14:55:57 GMT 1
There is no need for a debate on this. The bloke should be sacked, end of. There is no defence to his actions. The whole thing stinks. Ah, but like Gavin Williamson, Cummings knows where the bodies are buried. Cutting him loose could have severe ramifications for Boris. Better to keep him onside and take the hit from the media. " Dominic Cummings has a "network of spies across Whitehall" who are charged with sending him a weekly report about what is going on in their department. In the latest sign of Downing Street's power grab, Boris Johnson's chief aide has been asking advisers to keep him updated by email. Departments including the Home Office and CCHQ have people who are "spying on ministers" in this way, The Telegraph has learned. "The aim is to install discipline and recognise who their master is," a source said, pointing out that the situation risks creating a culture of distrust. Meanwhile, Cabinet ministers have seen advisers they are close to moved to other departments as part of a wider reshuffle. The move is intended to weaken ministers by separating them from close aides, sources told The Telegraph. The idea is for policy to be largely run from Number 10, with ministers' advisers effectively working as project managers".
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Post by northwestman on May 23, 2020 15:08:23 GMT 1
Following the revelation that Dominic Cummings travelled to Durham in March, the Prime Minister took to Twitter this afternoon to remind the public to self isolate it they have coronavirus symptoms.
But there will be many in Westminster, including some of his own MPs, who think that advice would be better directed to his own staff.
Good timing Boris!
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Post by northwestman on May 23, 2020 15:54:15 GMT 1
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