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Post by zenfootball2 on Apr 4, 2020 22:36:09 GMT 1
www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/52168692"The PFA also called on the league to increase its own £20m charity pledge. The league wants players to take a 30% salary cut in order to protect jobs, amid the coronavirus pandemic. But the union says that equates to more than £500m in wage reductions, and a loss in tax contributions of more than £200m to the UK government. The union also questioned Health Secretary Matt Hancock's public criticism of footballers' salaries during a news conference on Thursday." "Speaking to BBC Radio 5 Live on Friday, England defender Danny Rose - on loan at Newcastle from Tottenham - said that Premier League players were keen to give up a portion of their wages to help good causes, but felt their "backs are against the wall" regarding the pressure they had faced to accept cuts." £500 million donated to the nhs would buy a lot of ventialators / PEP and testing kits, when you consider that £200 million bought a years supply of PEP for ireland and the northrn ireland executuive , that is 80,000 nurses wich is a quarter of the uk nurses . or is it unfair that only premership players have been asked to do this ,what about fat cat bankers ? or should they not be asked at all ?
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Post by staffordshrew on Apr 4, 2020 22:52:16 GMT 1
Fat cat bankers are expected by the Government to forego their fat bonuses this year, I understand. It's a difficult one, nice to see those who take it upon themselves to donate, like (the overpaid) Gary Lineker who is giving up his next couple of months pay or somesuch.
There is one thing about footballers, it's probable that their next contract is going to be less lucrative, with less money in the game.
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Post by accordingtome on Apr 5, 2020 8:36:54 GMT 1
Hopefully the one good thing to come out of this pandemic could be the return to sport as a sport, not a money spinning business where the rich just keep getting richer and the rest tag along.
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Post by zenfootball2 on Apr 5, 2020 8:51:03 GMT 1
www.shropshirestar.com/sport/uk-sports/2020/04/05/coronavirus-wrap-wayne-rooney-brands-public-pressure-on-players-a-disgrace/"Wayne Rooney has criticised both the government and the Premier League for placing the nation’s top footballers in a “no-win situation” over the issue of pay cuts, branding their interventions “a disgrace”. “If the government approached me to help support nurses financially or buy ventilators I’d be proud to do so – as long as I knew where the money was going,” wrote Rooney." why does he need to be asked ? "Meanwhile, a handful of top-flight clubs, including last year’s Champions League finalists Liverpool and Tottenham, have opted to furlough non-playing staff using the safety net of the government’s job retention scheme." so hte biggest earners dont wont a 30% pay cut but staff on the lowest wages will be reliant on the goverments job retention scheme which pays 80% of there wages. so the ones who can least afford it get a 20% pay cut the one who can dont wont to but are happy to spend £20 million on a new home www.thesun.co.uk/sport/9175220/inside-wayne-rooneys-lavish-property-portfolio-from-20m-morrisons-mansion-to-secret-barbados-villa-with-ant-and-dec-as-neighbours/with an estimated wealth of £115 million i wonder how the fans will react to there players reluctance to take this pay cut when many will be struggling. www.bbc.co.uk/sport/av/football/52168319in sharp contrast "Cardiff City winger Josh Murphy delivers food packages to the elderly in his local community of Downham Market, Norfolk. Ex-Norwich City player Murphy has joined volunteers in the area during the coronavirus pandemic."
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Post by ssshrew on Apr 5, 2020 9:08:53 GMT 1
It just adds fuel to the fire for those of us who think they are just a load of oiks who get paid obscene amounts of money for what is basically just kicking a ball round a field.
I’m not at all surprised at Liverpool it’s the sort of thing they would do.
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Post by staffordshrew on Apr 5, 2020 9:58:40 GMT 1
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Post by ssshrew on Apr 5, 2020 10:20:23 GMT 1
And that’s the point. Small clubs who just get on with their business and live within their means know how to treat people properly without the need for jumping up and down and posturing to the media.
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Post by staffordshrew on Apr 5, 2020 10:36:36 GMT 1
There is another way, but it's totally against Tory ways, but then so is all this public spending: An emergency NHS tax of 20% on everyone who earns more than £100,000 a year.
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Post by Exkeeper on Apr 5, 2020 11:00:42 GMT 1
The government could start by getting all their chums today pay their taxes, yes Greased -Hogg that means you and many of the same ilk. Follow that by making it impossible for companies like Amazon to avoid paying their correct dues. ThisHealth Secretary guy is having a dig at footballers whilst conveniently forgetting who is responsible for running down the NHS over the years. The only good thing to come out of this. Is that if they try to sell the NHS to Trump now, there will be a rebellion of gigantic proportions.
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Post by zenfootball2 on Apr 5, 2020 11:08:59 GMT 1
It just adds fuel to the fire for those of us who think they are just a load of oiks who get paid obscene amounts of money for what is basically just kicking a ball round a field. I’m not at all surprised at Liverpool it’s the sort of thing they would do. no one wonts to be put under that scrutiny were they are been asked to do somthing but considering what is happening in the country.there obvious reluctance and by some irritation just comes acrosss as been selfish and a lack of consideration for others but then you could say the same for people who have been hoarding a years supply of toilet rolls .
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Post by londonshrew75 on Apr 5, 2020 14:28:56 GMT 1
When you have a national/ worldwide pandemic such as we have, you get to see for real the countries that work properly and they all have o e thing in common.....The high earners all pay more than their share of tax. We had one last chance on that Thursday before Christmas to finally get a socialist government in and even after everything that has been well documented about these clowns we STILL vote them back in. "We could have a national health tax for the rich"... For f""k sake. How do you think the German's have thirty four beds for every thousand people.....We have six... Maybe the tooth fairy pays for them. All these f*****g Tories clapping the NHS on Thursday's....Stay in doors and pi$$ off...
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Post by venceremos on Apr 5, 2020 14:39:10 GMT 1
That isn't true of those on zero hours contracts.
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Post by venceremos on Apr 5, 2020 14:57:40 GMT 1
Inevitably this is being lazily over-simplified and "overpaid footballers" are being hung out to dry with unfair moral pressure being applied to them.
To begin with, if an "overpaid player" takes a pay cut, the club keeps that money and the government loses 45% income tax and 2% employer's national insurance. Someone explain how that benefits the NHS.
It's true a player could donate part of their net earnings but to whom and who's to say that isn't already happening? Marcus Rashford is an example of a player who's gone above and beyond in his efforts to help local underprivileged children. I'm sure there are many more and Jordan Henderson has said that players were themselves organising a way of giving.
Footballers are a soft target - young, often very high earners and sometimes brash with it. They're not all like that and, even if they are, their high-earning careers are short. Why should they be in the firing line? Why not some of our rich MPs (and colleagues of Hancock, like Rees-Mogg), why not tax exile F1 drivers and golfers, why not wealthy singers, actors and entertainers and, most of all, why not owners and top executives of businesses? Most of these people have longer high earning careers and also take little or no physical risk in earning their money, unlike footballers.
People need to back off and widen the targets for their moral outrage. I trust that those who do so will also have worked out how they too might sacrifice a similar proportion of their earnings for the benefit of the nation.
Some of us already knew we lived in a society with skewed values. Targeting one small section of it now is not the way to address that.
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Post by londonshrew75 on Apr 5, 2020 15:20:59 GMT 1
Exactly. How about The Queen and her "Mob"..
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Post by Deleted on Apr 5, 2020 15:31:51 GMT 1
Not sure if anyone should donate wages towards the nhs. They should, like everyone, be made to pay their fare share in taxes, then the government of the day be held to account for the level of funding.
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Post by zenfootball2 on Apr 5, 2020 16:12:19 GMT 1
Not sure if anyone should donate wages towards the nhs. They should, like everyone, be made to pay their fare share in taxes, then the government of the day be held to account for the level of funding. true but we are not in a normal situation
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Post by Feedo Gnasher on Apr 5, 2020 18:10:50 GMT 1
We’ve heard from the Chancellor himself that money is no object in the efforts to defeat this virus, so chucking a few quid to the NHS is irrelevant. And as pointed out by the PFA it’s illogical to think taking a pay cut will help, as it’ll just mean reduced tax income for the government.
The players in my opinion have a responsibility to play their part to stop their own clubs suffering from the loss of income etc, there should be no reason for a Premier League club to have to furlough any staff. Shame on the business brains at Liverpool, Tottenham, Newcastle and the other clubs, who’ve seen this as an opportunity to preserve the vast fortunes that they sit on.
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Post by martinshrew on Apr 5, 2020 19:19:24 GMT 1
When you have a national/ worldwide pandemic such as we have, you get to see for real the countries that work properly and they all have o e thing in common.....The high earners all pay more than their share of tax. We had one last chance on that Thursday before Christmas to finally get a socialist government in and even after everything that has been well documented about these clowns we STILL vote them back in. "We could have a national health tax for the rich"... For f""k sake. How do you think the German's have thirty four beds for every thousand people.....We have six... Maybe the tooth fairy pays for them. All these f*****g Tories clapping the NHS on Thursday's....Stay in doors and pi$$ off... Nobody wants a socialist government, I think that's been proven by the last few election results.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 5, 2020 19:29:18 GMT 1
When you have a national/ worldwide pandemic such as we have, you get to see for real the countries that work properly and they all have o e thing in common.....The high earners all pay more than their share of tax. We had one last chance on that Thursday before Christmas to finally get a socialist government in and even after everything that has been well documented about these clowns we STILL vote them back in. "We could have a national health tax for the rich"... For f""k sake. How do you think the German's have thirty four beds for every thousand people.....We have six... Maybe the tooth fairy pays for them. All these f*****g Tories clapping the NHS on Thursday's....Stay in doors and pi$$ off... Glad you got that of your chest....
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Post by staffordshrew on Apr 6, 2020 9:29:59 GMT 1
Not sure if anyone should donate wages towards the nhs. They should, like everyone, be made to pay their fare share in taxes, then the government of the day be held to account for the level of funding. It's not really about getting money to the NHS, it's more showing we are all in this together. Shareholders have seen most dividends suspended, which is understood so that companies can do their best to survive. Those working are working hard, those not working are furloughed on 80% pay or self employed and struggling on benefits and loans. Then there is a group that are just pocketing huge pay packets each month while the country is going bust.
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Post by staffordshrew on Apr 6, 2020 19:53:58 GMT 1
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Post by Pilch on Apr 6, 2020 20:01:47 GMT 1
But the union says that equates to more than £500m in wage reductions, and a loss in tax contributions of more than £200m to the UK government. with logic like that the answer is simple pay them more
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Post by ssshrew on Apr 6, 2020 22:21:33 GMT 1
Surely the best reason for them to take a cut is if it would ensure that their non playing colleagues at their club could continue to be paid and keep their jobs without having to be furloughed and cost the government money,
Selfish just doesn’t cover it for me.
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Post by staffordshrew on Apr 6, 2020 22:40:17 GMT 1
Liverpool have reversed their decision to place some non-playing staff on temporary leave and apologised to fans. Italian and Spanish league players take a pay cut. uk.reuters.com/article/uk-health-coronavirus-soccer-salaries-fa-idUKKBN21L22RBARCELONA ** Players will make an extra contribution on top of the 70% pay cut they have agreed to take during the enforced La Liga break so that the club’s other employees can earn their full salaries during the coronavirus crisis, captain Lionel Messi said on Monday.
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Post by Exkeeper on Apr 6, 2020 23:47:56 GMT 1
Surely the best reason for them to take a cut is if it would ensure that their non playing colleagues at their club could continue to be paid and keep their jobs without having to be furloughed and cost the government money, Selfish just doesn’t cover it for me. Although Liverpool FC have now apologised and reversed their decision, some players including Henderson, van Dijk, Milner and Wijnuldum had already decided to take the pay cut to ensure that other staff were paid in full. Not all footballers are greedy, no matter which team they play for.
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Post by Pilch on Apr 7, 2020 0:02:22 GMT 1
Surely the best reason for them to take a cut is if it would ensure that their non playing colleagues at their club could continue to be paid and keep their jobs without having to be furloughed and cost the government money, Selfish just doesn’t cover it for me. Although Liverpool FC have now apologised and reversed their decision, some players including Henderson, van Dijk, Milner and Wijnuldum had already decided to take the pay cut to ensure that other staff were paid in full. Not all footballers are greedy, no matter which team they play for. good owl virgil must be a tough decision when you are earning £10 Million a year and know your job is as safe as houses in fairness hes had practice training on his own when he went on strike at Southampton after demanding a transfer to Liverpool they made him train on his own not greedy ?
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Post by salop27 on Apr 7, 2020 9:38:02 GMT 1
I don't think footballers are greedy, they're generally simple folk who love kicking a ball around and have spent way to long exercising to do so. Now footballers agents,TV companies etc are another matter.
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Post by zenfootball2 on Apr 7, 2020 17:37:37 GMT 1
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Post by Pilch on Apr 7, 2020 17:40:11 GMT 1
poor old liverpool , having to pay some of their lower paid staff again
nice try greedy barstewards
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Post by Feedo Gnasher on Apr 7, 2020 19:32:11 GMT 1
poor old liverpool , having to pay some of their lower paid staff again nice try greedy barstewards What are your thoughts on Tottenham and Newcastle?
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