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Post by SouthStandShrew on Apr 4, 2020 11:09:36 GMT 1
New leadership elected at the Labour Party. 🌹
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Post by staffordshrew on Apr 4, 2020 11:15:53 GMT 1
And good to see Boris seems to be recovering a little. A robust Government and a robust opposition is exactly what we need now along with ppe, ventilators, testing, etc. (That's with the hope that the current crisis produces improvements in Hancock and the rest of the cabinet, though I don't think Gove is redeemable).
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Post by shrewder on Apr 4, 2020 11:47:11 GMT 1
Excellent result.
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Post by northwestman on Apr 4, 2020 12:10:46 GMT 1
Admittedly, a Daily Mail article. But putting that aside, it does make some interesting points as to what's required to climb the greasy pole. www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8186219/Sir-Keir-question-cowardice.htmlMomentum, the Labour organisation for Jeremy Corbyn supporters, has put out a statement saying that it intends to hold Starmer to account and that he should appoint a “broad” shadow cabinet (i.e, one that includes members of the Corbynite left). During the leadership contest Starmer ran as a unity candidate and he very intentionally avoided saying anything that might alienate Corbynites in the party. “I profoundly believe that if our party can’t pull together and unify, then we’re going to carry on losing,” Starmer told Andrew Neil in an interview, explaining this strategy. But the left still have their doubts about his intentions, fuelled by stories like this one in last week’s Sunday Times (paywall) claiming that Starmer was planning “to purge Jeremy Corbyn’s allies in the shadow cabinet and party headquarters within weeks of becoming Labour leader”. The Guardian.
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Post by Valerioch on Apr 4, 2020 12:22:35 GMT 1
Best results of a bad bunch. I dread to think what would happen if RLB and Burgon got elected. More of this awful extreme Corbynite Socialism I imagine
The country needs a competent opposition, which has been badly lacking for 10 years now
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Post by Exkeeper on Apr 4, 2020 12:34:29 GMT 1
Best possible result. High on his list of things to do should be to find a way to put Comrade McCluskey out to grass. This geezer is Labour’s equivalent to the odious, slimy Dominic Cummings - a non-elected MP who decides which direction the Party should follow.
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Post by northwestman on Apr 4, 2020 12:35:56 GMT 1
Best results of a bad bunch. I dread to think what would happen if RLB and Burgon got elected. More of this awful extreme Corbynite Socialism I imagine The country needs a competent opposition, which has been badly lacking for 10 years now Starmer will have a very difficult task if he's looking to purge the extreme left from the party. Not only are a fair number already in place, but a significant % of the new intake are also of the same persuasion, having been selected by Momentum, Unite or Unison, via the votes of Local Constituency Parties.
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Post by SeanBroseley on Apr 4, 2020 13:39:23 GMT 1
No faith in leaders. I go by the old trade union adage that the bosses' brains are under their workers caps. One Labour leader with views to the right of my own is replaced by another Labour leader with views to the right of my own. There's nothing to lose my pieces over. The people I campaigned with last year are still the people I will campaign with next year and the year after (assuming I am alive and well). Ever since I was suspended in 2016 as part of the Labour Party's campaign to gerrymander the leadership election result I have not seen maintaining my membership of the party as an aim in itself. So on all counts supremely relaxed about this. In other news a column in the Financial Times is advocating consideration of Universal Basic Income and a Wealth Tax. End of times stuff. "The crisis consists precisely in the fact that the old is dying and the new cannot be born; in this interregnum a great variety of morbid symptoms appear."
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Post by MartinB on Apr 4, 2020 13:47:40 GMT 1
Good to see the Labour Party replacing one multimillionaire as leader with another multimillionaire
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Post by SeanBroseley on Apr 4, 2020 13:48:42 GMT 1
Good to see the Labour Party replacing one multimillionaire as leader with another multimillionaire Because only Conservative Party leaders are allowed to have money please note.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 4, 2020 14:05:34 GMT 1
Best possible result. High on his list of things to do should be to find a way to put Comrade McCluskey out to grass. This geezer is Labour’s equivalent to the odious, slimy Dominic Cummings - a non-elected MP who decides which direction the Party should follow. McCluskey has been elected into his position by the Unite membership. Me included, so we will decided when he is 'put out to grass.' It's McCluskey's job therefore, to look after the interests of the union membership, some of whom are the lowest paid workers in the economy. I could now give you a long list of Unite wins, but I doubt you will give a t0ss. Anyway, I will point out that Cummings has been elected by no one.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 4, 2020 14:09:52 GMT 1
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Post by SouthStandShrew on Apr 4, 2020 14:13:12 GMT 1
Voted Labour last election didn't he?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 4, 2020 14:14:52 GMT 1
No faith in leaders. I go by the old trade union adage that the bosses' brains are under their workers caps. One Labour leader with views to the right of my own is replaced by another Labour leader with views to the right of my own. There's nothing to lose my pieces over. The people I campaigned with last year are still the people I will campaign with next year and the year after (assuming I am alive and well). Ever since I was suspended in 2016 as part of the Labour Party's campaign to gerrymander the leadership election result I have not seen maintaining my membership of the party as an aim in itself. So on all counts supremely relaxed about this. In other news a column in the Financial Times is advocating consideration of Universal Basic Income and a Wealth Tax. End of times stuff. "The crisis consists precisely in the fact that the old is dying and the new cannot be born; in this interregnum a great variety of morbid symptoms appear." There's some irony in that the government have now found the magic money tree that many people (a fair few on here too) said never existed.
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Post by zenfootball2 on Apr 4, 2020 14:53:54 GMT 1
Admittedly, a Daily Mail article. But putting that aside, it does make some interesting points as to what's required to climb the greasy pole. www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8186219/Sir-Keir-question-cowardice.htmlMomentum, the Labour organisation for Jeremy Corbyn supporters, has put out a statement saying that it intends to hold Starmer to account and that he should appoint a “broad” shadow cabinet (i.e, one that includes members of the Corbynite left). During the leadership contest Starmer ran as a unity candidate and he very intentionally avoided saying anything that might alienate Corbynites in the party. “I profoundly believe that if our party can’t pull together and unify, then we’re going to carry on losing,” Starmer told Andrew Neil in an interview, explaining this strategy. But the left still have their doubts about his intentions, fuelled by stories like this one in last week’s Sunday Times (paywall) claiming that Starmer was planning “to purge Jeremy Corbyn’s allies in the shadow cabinet and party headquarters within weeks of becoming Labour leader”. The Guardian. if he wonts to have a credible opposition he will need.
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Post by MartinB on Apr 4, 2020 14:56:12 GMT 1
Good to see the Labour Party replacing one multimillionaire as leader with another multimillionaire Because only Conservative Party leaders are allowed to have money please note. No it's the Labour Party moan about rich people yet it applies equally to them. It's why in the last election they focused on nasty horrible Billionaires. Always found Labours attitude on rich people to be hypocritical. Hopefully now we will have an effective opposition in Parliament as it has been desperately lacking for years.
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Post by returnofthehype on Apr 4, 2020 15:23:01 GMT 1
Although my dream of Corbyn heading the Labour Party for the next 30 years has sadly gone all is not lost. Comrade Keir will offer a more balanced and politically savvy opposition than Corbyn was ever capable of, thankfully, will still fall miles short of seriously challenging Lord Boris and the Blue juggernaut.
VIVA MAGGIE
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Post by Bob Rickerton on Apr 4, 2020 15:41:40 GMT 1
Good to see the Labour Party replacing one multimillionaire as leader with another multimillionaire The politics of envy.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 4, 2020 16:16:18 GMT 1
Because only Conservative Party leaders are allowed to have money please note. No it's the Labour Party moan about rich people yet it applies equally to them. It's why in the last election they focused on nasty horrible Billionaires. Always found Labours attitude on rich people to be hypocritical. Hopefully now we will have an effective opposition in Parliament as it has been desperately lacking for years. Not sure I recall the Labour Party moaning about rich people. I recall lots of talk about rich people and big corporations not paying their fair share in taxes, and rich business owners paying poverty wages, but not simply moaning about rich people.
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Post by barrynic on Apr 4, 2020 16:45:21 GMT 1
Congratulations on the worst DPP in modern times replacing the worst Labour leader in history....
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Post by Exkeeper on Apr 4, 2020 17:11:10 GMT 1
Best possible result. High on his list of things to do should be to find a way to put Comrade McCluskey out to grass. This geezer is Labour’s equivalent to the odious, slimy Dominic Cummings - a non-elected MP who decides which direction the Party should follow. McCluskey has been elected into his position by the Unite membership. Me included, so we will decided when he is 'put out to grass.' It's McCluskey's job therefore, to look after the interests of the union membership, some of whom are the lowest paid workers in the economy. I could now give you a long list of Unite wins, but I doubt you will give a t0ss. Anyway, I will point out that Cummings has been elected by no one. I was a member of the CWU for many years and our leader was Dave Ward a man of similar views as McCluskey. He always got re-elected, not because he was popular, but because of the general apathy of the members. As the years went by, less and less of my colleagues were voting in General Elections and some even did the unthinkable and voted Tory. Looking at the breakdown of votes, it appears that Starmer won all sections, so that is a positive. I hope to see him negate the influence of Momentum, because I can’t see Labour ever winning with them steering the ship, even against a lame duck PM like Johnson.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 4, 2020 17:32:27 GMT 1
McCluskey has been elected into his position by the Unite membership. Me included, so we will decided when he is 'put out to grass.' It's McCluskey's job therefore, to look after the interests of the union membership, some of whom are the lowest paid workers in the economy. I could now give you a long list of Unite wins, but I doubt you will give a t0ss. Anyway, I will point out that Cummings has been elected by no one. I was a member of the CWU for many years and our leader was Dave Ward a man of similar views as McCluskey. He always got re-elected, not because he was popular, but because of the general apathy of the members. As the years went by, less and less of my colleagues were voting in General Elections and some even did the unthinkable and voted Tory. Looking at the breakdown of votes, it appears that Starmer won all sections, so that is a positive. I hope to see him negate the influence of Momentum, because I can’t see Labour ever winning with them steering the ship, even against a lame duck PM like Johnson. Momentum is the grass roots of the Party. It's either that, or maintaining the status quo. But, I guess that's the choice Labour Party members need to make. Sure, turn out for union elections are low, but it's like anything, if you don't take part you can't influence the outcome, or at least try.
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Post by northwestman on Apr 4, 2020 17:42:51 GMT 1
Congratulations on the worst DPP in modern times replacing the worst Labour leader in history.... No. The clear favourite for the worst DPP in modern times has to be Alison Saunders.
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Post by northwestman on Apr 4, 2020 18:19:06 GMT 1
Best possible result. High on his list of things to do should be to find a way to put Comrade McCluskey out to grass. This geezer is Labour’s equivalent to the odious, slimy Dominic Cummings - a non-elected MP who decides which direction the Party should follow. McCluskey has been elected into his position by the Unite membership. Me included, so we will decided when he is 'put out to grass.' It's McCluskey's job therefore, to look after the interests of the union membership, some of whom are the lowest paid workers in the economy. I could now give you a long list of Unite wins, but I doubt you will give a t0ss. Anyway, I will point out that Cummings has been elected by no one. www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/apr/21/len-mccluskey-re-elected-leader-of-unite-union-jeremy-corbynLen McCluskey has been re-elected leader of the Unite union in a narrow victory that has been greeted with relief by supporters of the Labour leader, Jeremy Corbyn. The incumbent defeated his opponent, Gerard Coyne, after a bitter month-long campaign that culminated in Coyne’s suspension from his union role 24 hours before the vote declaration. McCluskey won 59,067 votes (45.4%), Coyne won 53,544 (41.5%) and grassroots candidate Ian Allinson took 17,143 (13.1%), on a turnout of just over 12%, the union announced.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 4, 2020 18:40:34 GMT 1
McCluskey has been elected into his position by the Unite membership. Me included, so we will decided when he is 'put out to grass.' It's McCluskey's job therefore, to look after the interests of the union membership, some of whom are the lowest paid workers in the economy. I could now give you a long list of Unite wins, but I doubt you will give a t0ss. Anyway, I will point out that Cummings has been elected by no one. www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/apr/21/len-mccluskey-re-elected-leader-of-unite-union-jeremy-corbynLen McCluskey has been re-elected leader of the Unite union in a narrow victory that has been greeted with relief by supporters of the Labour leader, Jeremy Corbyn. The incumbent defeated his opponent, Gerard Coyne, after a bitter month-long campaign that culminated in Coyne’s suspension from his union role 24 hours before the vote declaration. McCluskey won 59,067 votes (45.4%), Coyne won 53,544 (41.5%) and grassroots candidate Ian Allinson took 17,143 (13.1%), on a turnout of just over 12%, the union announced. Yes, I know. I mentioned the very low turnout.
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Post by staffordshrew on Apr 4, 2020 18:59:42 GMT 1
www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/apr/21/len-mccluskey-re-elected-leader-of-unite-union-jeremy-corbynLen McCluskey has been re-elected leader of the Unite union in a narrow victory that has been greeted with relief by supporters of the Labour leader, Jeremy Corbyn. The incumbent defeated his opponent, Gerard Coyne, after a bitter month-long campaign that culminated in Coyne’s suspension from his union role 24 hours before the vote declaration. McCluskey won 59,067 votes (45.4%), Coyne won 53,544 (41.5%) and grassroots candidate Ian Allinson took 17,143 (13.1%), on a turnout of just over 12%, the union announced. Yes, I know. I mentioned the very low turnout. If the 88% don't like it they will have to learn to use their vote. It's dead easy, postal with a pre-paid addressed envelope isn't it, all it needs is an X.
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Post by martinshrew on Apr 6, 2020 9:38:02 GMT 1
Is this the same Kier Starmer that when in charge of the CPS decided there was "insufficient evidence" to convict Jimmy Saville?
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Post by staffordshrew on Apr 6, 2020 11:04:30 GMT 1
Is this the same Kier Starmer that when in charge of the CPS decided there was "insufficient evidence" to convict Jimmy Saville? Was there "sufficient evidence"? He seems to have covered his tracks well enough to get a knighthood, to be held in high esteem by Maggie, to have full and free access to Stoke Mandeville hospital, to hoodwink the press, to get the full Louis Theroux treatment and leave him with just a vague feeling of Saville being a bit odd.
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Post by scooter on Apr 6, 2020 11:29:49 GMT 1
Good to see the Labour Party replacing one multimillionaire as leader with another multimillionaire I didn’t know much at all about Keir Starmer, read this and assumed he was another politician who came from a wealthy family and attended Eton or similar establishment It turns out he had working class parents, went to grammar school, qualified as a lawyer and had a successful career. Whether that makes him a multimillionaire I have no idea, but at least he has worked for what he has
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Post by sheltonsalopian on Apr 6, 2020 11:34:22 GMT 1
Overjoyed with the result and his picks for shadow cabinet have also looked promising. Pleased he's kicked Burgon out as the man was electoral suicide as well.
Lent my vote to Labour in the last election (Usually Lib Dem) to try and oust DK but with Keir at the helm will most likely become a permanent vote. Onwards and upwards.
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