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Post by cheggersdrinkspop on Mar 27, 2020 15:20:49 GMT 1
BBC News: James McClean: Stoke fine Republic winger for 'balaclava mask' Instagram post BBC News - James McClean: Stoke fine Republic winger for 'balaclava mask' Instagram post www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/52067126Who is the first to moan when supporters remind him of this, unbelievable?
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Post by Dancin on Mar 27, 2020 15:25:54 GMT 1
BBC News: James McClean: Stoke fine Republic winger for 'balaclava mask' Instagram post BBC News - James McClean: Stoke fine Republic winger for 'balaclava mask' Instagram post www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/52067126Who is the first to moan when supporters remind him of this, unbelievable? Didn't he do something like this previously; something to do with a Poppy?
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Post by scooter on Mar 27, 2020 15:35:58 GMT 1
BBC News: James McClean: Stoke fine Republic winger for 'balaclava mask' Instagram post BBC News - James McClean: Stoke fine Republic winger for 'balaclava mask' Instagram post www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/52067126Who is the first to moan when supporters remind him of this, unbelievable? Didn't he do something like this previously; something to do with a Poppy? He refuses to wear a shirt with a poppy on. Fair enough that’s a personal choice. This just sounds stupid
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Post by Pilch on Mar 27, 2020 15:45:26 GMT 1
I think he's shot himself in the foot here
or needs to
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Post by staffordshrew on Mar 27, 2020 15:53:18 GMT 1
But it is history!
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Post by cheggersdrinkspop on Mar 27, 2020 16:13:32 GMT 1
So is the first and second world war that people fought in to protect the freedom of others and should be respected accordingly.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 27, 2020 19:08:34 GMT 1
So much for free speech.
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Post by Red Rose In Exile on Mar 27, 2020 19:15:40 GMT 1
Representative of the team he works for. If he was say, the same as me - unknown to the public and not associated with a particular workplace - he can say what he wants. He who pays the piper calls the tune, and with previous in this type of thing he should have known better
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Post by Deleted on Mar 27, 2020 19:36:19 GMT 1
Representative of the team he works for. If he was say, the same as me - unknown to the public and not associated with a particular workplace - he can say what he wants. He who pays the piper calls the tune, and with previous in this type of thing he should have known better Previous what?
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Post by cheggersdrinkspop on Mar 27, 2020 19:37:16 GMT 1
I think we all know there is no such thing as free speech. If people said what they think they would run the risk of being arrested or being social outcasts. What is free about that?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 27, 2020 19:43:08 GMT 1
I think we all know there is no such thing as free speech. If people said what they think they would run the risk of being arrested or being social outcasts. What is free about that? Like he said, history. From his and his community's perspective. Bit different from racism and homophobic abuse.
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Post by cheggersdrinkspop on Mar 27, 2020 19:55:03 GMT 1
You could argue that protestants could see this as racism and/or offensive, some just prefer to dress things up politically to make it more acceptable. Could you quantify free speech as surely "free" applies to all commentary and not selective commentary based on what individuals deem to be offensive or not. Not free really is it.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 27, 2020 20:19:55 GMT 1
You could argue that protestants could see this as racism and/or offensive, some just prefer to dress things up politically to make it more acceptable. Could you quantify free speech as surely "free" applies to all commentary and not selective commentary based on what individuals deem to be offensive or not. Not free really is it. There were Protestant terror groups in NI too. Nobody wins this argument. But, each community will see the history differently. Particularly Catholics, who were excluded from many institutions and basic human rights based on their religion.
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Post by cheggersdrinkspop on Mar 27, 2020 20:33:34 GMT 1
You could argue that protestants could see this as racism and/or offensive, some just prefer to dress things up politically to make it more acceptable. Could you quantify free speech as surely "free" applies to all commentary and not selective commentary based on what individuals deem to be offensive or not. Not free really is it. There were Protestant terror groups in NI too. Nobody wins this argument. But, each community will see the history differently. Particularly Catholics, who were excluded from many institutions and basic human rights based on their religion. And your answer to free speech is? I don't need a history lesson on Irish history as I have my own knowledge of that.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 27, 2020 22:51:35 GMT 1
There were Protestant terror groups in NI too. Nobody wins this argument. But, each community will see the history differently. Particularly Catholics, who were excluded from many institutions and basic human rights based on their religion. And your answer to free speech is? I don't need a history lesson on Irish history as I have my own knowledge of that. We all need lessons in history, because new evidence is being discovered all the time. Anyway, you know my answer to free speech. He is entitled to free speech about his version on he history of the 'troubles'. He is not entitled to be racists or homophobic. As just two examples.
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Post by cheggersdrinkspop on Mar 27, 2020 23:41:56 GMT 1
So he can use his heritage to convey religious disrespectfulness to other religions. But because this can be construed as a political stance then it is called "free speech". We all know that the issue is based around religion but if he used that motive it wouldn't be free speech would it, hence the fact that if you speak out against someones religious beliefs it is classed as a crime. This is just the usual contradictory nonsense to defend a very poor decision by someone who should know better. Let's be honest if another player was filmed playing the pipes of the Boyne it may be a different type of "free speech", only not so free. Who mentioned homophobic anyway, it has nothing to do with it.
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Post by staffordshrew on Mar 27, 2020 23:58:30 GMT 1
'Move on' - Stoke City praised for swift response to James McClean post Winger fined two weeks' wages after controversial Instagram photograph
Stoke City can draw a line in the sand after a swift response to James McClean's controversial Instagram post, hopes fans' council chairwoman Angela Smith.
McClean has been fined and apologised after posting a photo of himself wearing a black paramilitary-style balaclava as he pretended to home teach his children. The winger admits he misjudged an attempted joke and quickly deleted that post and then his whole Instagram account.
Time for us to move on too?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 28, 2020 0:01:05 GMT 1
So he can use his heritage to convey religious disrespectfulness to other religions. But because this can be construed as a political stance then it is called "free speech". We all know that the issue is based around religion but if he used that motive it wouldn't be free speech would it, hence the fact that if you speak out against someones religious beliefs it is classed as a crime. This is just the usual contradictory nonsense to defend a very poor decision by someone who should know better. Let's be honest if another player was filmed playing the pipes of the Boyne it may be a different type of "free speech", only not so free. Who mentioned homophobic anyway, it has nothing to do with it. Where is he being disrespectful to another religion? He wore a balaclava, IRA wore balaclavas as did the UVF. books.google.co.uk/books/about/Killing_Rage.html?id=0ayPS7zBIpsC&printsec=frontcover&source=kp_read_button&redir_esc=yIs this book cover disrespectful? My reference to homophobia is perfectly clear. And you know perfectly well what I am getting at.
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Post by cheggersdrinkspop on Mar 28, 2020 0:19:14 GMT 1
I have no idea what homophobia has to do with this, please enlighten me, is it the balaclava!!? But you fully support a picture of a person with influence with a balaclava on ,that could be construed as a paramilitary statement, with children, as an acceptable image, because of what, religion, politics, race, please tell me, or maybe it was a cold day or he had been riding a motorbike?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 28, 2020 9:54:00 GMT 1
I have no idea what homophobia has to do with this, please enlighten me, is it the balaclava!!? But you fully support a picture of a person with influence with a balaclava on ,that could be construed as a paramilitary statement, with children, as an acceptable image, because of what, religion, politics, race, please tell me, or maybe it was a cold day or he had been riding a motorbike? Answer the question. Is this book cover disrespectful?
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Post by cheggersdrinkspop on Mar 28, 2020 10:50:09 GMT 1
Depends who is reading it but isn't that the free speech that you seem is the option for us all, when it suits certain opinions? But saying it is right is another question. There I have answered it, which is a tad more than you managed, happy now?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 28, 2020 11:05:33 GMT 1
Free speech is your absolute right, you are allowed to say whatever you want to who ever you want, however you must accept that there can be consequences to your free speech.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 28, 2020 11:39:18 GMT 1
Depends who is reading it but isn't that the free speech that you seem is the option for us all, when it suits certain opinions? But saying it is right is another question. There I have answered it, which is a tad more than you managed, happy now? No, I have been perfectly clear, Maclean has a version of history that includes the IRA and is free to express that view in an albeit crass way. That's up to him. He's not free to express racist and/or homophobic abuse. There, that's three times I have said that.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 28, 2020 11:42:04 GMT 1
Free speech is your absolute right, you are allowed to say whatever you want to who ever you want, however you must accept that there can be consequences to your free speech. True, and he's been censured by his employer. But, he's not broken the law, which is the distinction I am making in the thread. The irony in all this is those who are quick to shout 'snowflake' at others who are offended, are now being 'snowflakes' themselves. Not on this thread I hasten to add.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 28, 2020 15:13:13 GMT 1
Free speech is your absolute right, you are allowed to say whatever you want to who ever you want, however you must accept that there can be consequences to your free speech. True, and he's been censured by his employer. But, he's not broken the law, which is the distinction I am making in the thread. The irony in all this is those who are quick to shout 'snowflake' at others who are offended, are now being 'snowflakes' themselves. Not on this thread I hasten to add. That makes no sense whatsoever, talk about irony that’s not there....
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Post by Deleted on Mar 29, 2020 9:32:57 GMT 1
True, and he's been censured by his employer. But, he's not broken the law, which is the distinction I am making in the thread. The irony in all this is those who are quick to shout 'snowflake' at others who are offended, are now being 'snowflakes' themselves. Not on this thread I hasten to add. That makes no sense whatsoever, talk about irony that’s not there.... There's irony everywhere. Particularly in these strange times.
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