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Post by staffordshrew on Mar 23, 2020 19:19:31 GMT 1
Of course he is innocent, one of the finest barristers in the country would not have taken on the case if he wasn't certain of that. The 9 women were incorrect. It proves that looks can be deceiving.
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Post by northwestman on Mar 23, 2020 19:28:13 GMT 1
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Post by zenfootball2 on Mar 23, 2020 19:50:59 GMT 1
i have always felt that in rape case the acused should have anonymity unmtil proven guilty. i dont know much about this case but this is article is rather concerning. inews.co.uk/news/scotland/alex-salmond-nicola-sturgeon-snp-texts-trial-2506090"The messages expose the bitter behind-the-scenes divide between Mr Salmond and the Scottish Government he once led, now being run by his successor Ms Sturgeon. None of them have been revealed until now, after judges Lady Dorrian and Lady Stacey ruled that the legal argument should not be made public until the conclusion of Mr Salmond's trial."
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Post by Chief Inspector Swan on Mar 23, 2020 20:49:19 GMT 1
Do they do things differently in Scotland? Here was me thinking that courts of law rule on whether the defendant is ‘guilty’ or ‘not guilty’. North of the border they clearly go as far to rule on a defendant’s innocence too!
Cue some witless individual without the capacity to understand legal nuance to trot out: “Innocent until proven guilty lol”
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Post by staffordshrew on Mar 23, 2020 21:16:55 GMT 1
I suppose the ladies involved may face charges, and be named, now?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 23, 2020 21:20:57 GMT 1
Do they do things differently in Scotland? Here was me thinking that courts of law rule on whether the defendant is ‘guilty’ or ‘not guilty’. North of the border they clearly go as far to rule on a defendant’s innocence too! Cue some witless individual without the capacity to understand legal nuance to trot out: “Innocent until proven guilty lol” What we don’t want is you offering an opinion on a subject which you have absolutely no knowledge of . Desist with this pseudo lawyer persona immediately. Trying to remain sane in our present predicament, frightened to go out in case this dreadful virus infects us is bad enough . As far as I am concerned I do not want to descend into dark depths by reading your nonsense. Apart from that I fear Sturgeon will soon go into hiding. Don’t comment on this prediction . Take Care and stay safe and remember , you are Guilty until proven unfit to plead Innocent.
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Post by Chief Inspector Swan on Mar 23, 2020 23:35:06 GMT 1
I suppose the ladies involved may face charges, and be named, now? No no no. You’ve really misunderstood. A not guilty verdict does not mean any or all of the women were lying.
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Post by staffordshrew on Mar 23, 2020 23:39:36 GMT 1
I suppose the ladies involved may face charges, and be named, now? No no no. You’ve really misunderstood. A not guilty verdict does not mean any or all of the women were lying. You mean he's innocent until he is proven guilty ?
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Post by Exkeeper on Mar 24, 2020 8:57:11 GMT 1
I suspect that women will still want to avoid close encounters with this man,”innocent” or “not proven”, but that is how life is. The President of the United States may be looked upon in a similar manner.
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Post by zenfootball2 on Mar 24, 2020 21:18:22 GMT 1
"Mr Salmond's trial has caused infighting within the SNP as a series of prominent SNP politicians and activists demanded further action, as well as ‘resignations’ from senior officials following his acquittal.
Nicola Sturgeon's husband, Peter Murrell, is also facing questions about the party’s role in the internal probe." "The trial reignited a civil war within the party, which has seen deep splits between those who support Mr Salmond and those who back Miss Sturgeon.
The Scottish Conservatives said this remains a ‘national political scandal with profound questions of integrity for the First Minister and her SNP government’. "
One source said: ‘There is a lot of chatter in the SNP groups about how abhorrent it is that someone says they have got information, potentially false allegations, which the party is going to “sit on” and use for political damage is they need it.
"‘We know his supervisor is the chief executive - what did he know? The question people will be asking is what sort of ship is Peter Murrell running if he knew of allegations and was happy to sit on them, or if he didn’t know this from a senior official then why not?’ Another party source said: ‘There was a lot of pressure put on people before this case, people in the party were being called and targeted by others asking if they had any information on Alex, or if they would come forward"
whilst this looks like a real mess for the SNP and clearely there are divisons in the party
Salmond may not be out trouble yet with possible further investigations.
"But today it was reported the former first minister of Scotland, 65, is now facing fresh allegations over his time in London as an MP. The Times say it has learnt of at least four woman who made complaints to detectives in Scotland about Mr Salmond's alleged behaviour in London."
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Post by R6ix on Mar 24, 2020 22:44:16 GMT 1
sounds like the bugger has got away with it
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Post by staffordshrew on Mar 24, 2020 23:25:15 GMT 1
sounds like the bugger has got away with it Now that's not fair, just 'cos he looks a bit pervy. What I don't understand is how any of these women ever wanted to get anywhere near him.
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Post by northwestman on Mar 25, 2020 8:59:26 GMT 1
sounds like the bugger has got away with it Now that's not fair, just 'cos he looks a bit pervy. What I don't understand is how any of these women ever wanted to get anywhere near him. What would you be if you weren't a footballer? "A virgin". Peter Crouch. Power and/or money.
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Post by zenfootball2 on Mar 25, 2020 9:09:59 GMT 1
www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8148881/Alex-Salmond-bid-lead-fresh-drive-Scots-independence-cleared-sex-assaults.html"Alex Salmond is tipped to make a dramatic SNP leadership comeback bid after he was cleared of sex assault charges this week. Well-placed sources say he thinks Scottish independence is ‘going nowhere’ under Scotland’s First Minister Nicola Sturgeon and wants to lead a ‘re-energised drive’ to break away from the rest of the UK. " they say a picture is worth a thousand words, the top one of Salmond leaving a building with a women police officer was having a bad day or she was not impressed with the result ,
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Post by northwestman on Mar 25, 2020 9:24:10 GMT 1
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Post by staffordshrew on Mar 25, 2020 10:51:09 GMT 1
www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8148881/Alex-Salmond-bid-lead-fresh-drive-Scots-independence-cleared-sex-assaults.html"Alex Salmond is tipped to make a dramatic SNP leadership comeback bid after he was cleared of sex assault charges this week. Well-placed sources say he thinks Scottish independence is ‘going nowhere’ under Scotland’s First Minister Nicola Sturgeon and wants to lead a ‘re-energised drive’ to break away from the rest of the UK. " they say a picture is worth a thousand words, the top one of Salmond leaving a building with a women police officer was having a bad day or she was not impressed with the result.behind him, either the poilce officer That should ensure Scotland remains in the United Kingdom then. As for the Police Officer pictured, a penny for her thoughts.
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Post by Pilch on Mar 25, 2020 11:27:04 GMT 1
you keep linking to stories we have to pay to read
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Post by staffordshrew on Mar 25, 2020 11:31:46 GMT 1
you keep linking to stories we have to pay to read That's what Wiki is for, misers, (and I include myself in that elite band). Faced with a pay wall, it's off to my favourite search engine and type "wiki john leslie". I didn't know Abi Titmuss was a former nurse! Wonder what the origin of her surname is?
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Post by zenfootball2 on Mar 25, 2020 13:41:09 GMT 1
www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8150397/Alex-Salmond-set-people-party-claims-SNPs-former-deputy-leader.html"A former deputy leader of the SNP has said Alex Salmond was 'set up' by his own party and allegations of sexual assault were 'a clear political conspiracy at the highest levels of the party to bring him down'. "Mr Salmond, 65, on Monday vowed evidence of a plot to discredit him will 'see the light of day' after he was cleared of 13 charges by a jury following an 11-day trial at the High Court in Edinburgh. His trial has caused infighting within the SNP as a series of prominent SNP politicians and activists demanded further action, as well as 'resignations' from senior officials following his acquittal. Now, former deputy leader of the SNP Jim Sillars, 82, has said that the allegations against against Mr Salmond were the 'dirtiest blow' he has ever seen delivered in his 60 years of political life and that there is 'compelling evidence' to show it was a set up. " if these alegations are true then things are rather murkey in the SNP.
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Post by Bob Rickerton on Mar 27, 2020 11:30:59 GMT 1
Some posters won't be happy until we're lining up with an "innocent" front two of Salmond and Evans.
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Post by staffordshrew on Mar 27, 2020 11:43:59 GMT 1
Some posters won't be happy until we're lining up with an "innocent" front two of Salmond and Evans. What position does Prince Andrew play? Missionary? Or does he just coach the juniors?
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Post by zenfootball2 on Mar 27, 2020 11:46:44 GMT 1
Some posters won't be happy until we're lining up with an "innocent" front two of Salmond and Evans. Samond is not of the woods yet there are some new alegations in london. i am not a fan of sturgeon either but she was advocating tougher measuers with the cornoavirus and had implemeted a ban on mass gatherings before the rest of the uk.
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Post by SeanBroseley on Mar 29, 2020 15:28:39 GMT 1
I haven't heard all the evidence so I don't know if he should have been found guilty. But if your defence is basically I'm sleazy but not a criminal it's nothing to smile about.
Looking from th outside in (counting Scotland as a different country here) it's easier to see how privelege and someone's position in society may sway a juror's thinking in a situation where it is one person's word against another. Some clear direction is required by the judge on this issue because I know I would struggle.
I know people will say it's nine people against one, but all ten weren't in a room at the same time when the incidents in question occurred.
At least this got to a jury.
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Post by northwestman on Mar 29, 2020 15:53:36 GMT 1
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Post by SeanBroseley on Mar 29, 2020 18:06:21 GMT 1
It shouldn't help that QC's career either.
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