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Post by venceremos on Mar 11, 2020 11:26:34 GMT 1
City - Arsenal game off tonight. Wolves and United playing behind closed doors.
Hard to see how the domestic season can possibly continue much longer as though this isn't happening. I suspect some big decisions might have to be taken next week.
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Post by sheltonsalopian on Mar 11, 2020 11:28:32 GMT 1
Think the most likely scenario is they postpone the current season, move Euro 2020 to next summer (And scrap that UEFA nations league competition that's due to take place next summer). This would give the leagues time to finish the season through the summer when the virus is expected to have peaked by the end of April.
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Post by zenfootball2 on Mar 11, 2020 12:01:41 GMT 1
from the mail "Beijing today ordered people arriving in the city from any country to go into 14-day quarantine as China reported an increase in imported coronavirus cases, threatening its progress against the epidemic." flights from high risk areas will arrive at designated areas,considering all the work they put in to stop it this seems sensible. compare that to the uk responce which makes more sense www.aljazeera.com/news/2020/03/china-worries-coronavirus-surge-infected-arrivals-200304062507995.html"We anticipated the beginning but failed to anticipate the end," said Dr Zhang Wenhong, director of Huashan Hospital's Department of Infectious Disease. "We thought as long as China controlled the situation, the world would be spared the disaster; but now that the outbreak in China is gradually under control, a mess is growing in the world." Dr Zhang said it was worrying to see the sudden rise in confirmed cases around the world, which raised the risk of fuelling a new surge of cases in China." "We currently do not have a special procedure for people arriving from other countries other than the 14-day quarantine," Wang Xue, an official at Chengdu Entry and Exit Inspection and Quarantine Bureau, told Al Jazeera. "But if we have someone who arrives from high-risk areas, such as South Korea, Iran, or Italy, we have staff who will closely follow up with the passengers during their quarantine period to ensure there is no risk of virus transmission."
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Post by SeanBroseley on Mar 11, 2020 12:08:22 GMT 1
Given that WHO are convinced that China's numbers are real what the country has done is exceptional. They encountered something without knowing what it was too. Makes me wonder whether the Italian situation is a sign of failure.
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Post by SeanBroseley on Mar 11, 2020 12:10:21 GMT 1
Johnson says that he thinks it would be better if e take all the measures that we now can. Glad that it has been cleared up that what he was saying was only vacuous. Phew.
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Post by stuttgartershrew on Mar 11, 2020 12:11:08 GMT 1
I guess for the football it would depend on whether anyone within the club had the virus or had knowingly been in contact with anyone with the virus. Not sure they would look to cancel the season before looking to try and first play games behind closed doors.
No idea what is happening here at the minutes. Kickers are in a strange position because having sunk so low, they're one of only a few clubs in the division who get crowds of over 1000. I think most are OK on that front and so I guess could go ahead and play their games. Where that leaves the Kickers and one or two others though, who knows.
Blimey, I hadn't even thought about Euro 2020...
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Post by zenfootball2 on Mar 11, 2020 12:14:19 GMT 1
Given that WHO are convinced that China's numbers are real what the country has done is exceptional. They encountered something without knowing what it was too. Makes me wonder whether the Italian situation is a sign of failure. China appointed Chen Wei, a Major General of the People's Liberation Army, she is a top military biological weapon expert to be in charge of dealing with the virus, due to the nature of chinas political system they were able to put in place som draconian measuers that most western goverments would be reluctant to put in place.
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Post by Minormorris64 on Mar 11, 2020 12:16:03 GMT 1
City - Arsenal game off tonight. Wolves and United playing behind closed doors. Hard to see how the domestic season can possibly continue much longer as though this isn't happening. I suspect some big decisions might have to be taken next week. Whilst thousands upon thousands upon thousands are roaming around Cheltenham and the London Underground ?
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Post by SeanBroseley on Mar 11, 2020 12:18:45 GMT 1
Given that WHO are convinced that China's numbers are real what the country has done is exceptional. They encountered something without knowing what it was too. Makes me wonder whether the Italian situation is a sign of failure. China appointed Chen Wei, a Major General of the People's Liberation Army, she is a top military biological weapon expert to be in charge of dealing with the virus, due to the nature of chinas political system they were able to put in place som draconian measuers that most western goverments would be reluctant to put in place. And they end up doing it anyway. The guy from CEPI said treat this like a war. I can't think this would have worked in China without consent and active participation across society. I wonder if it is possible to build that consent without racking up the numbers first?
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Post by venceremos on Mar 11, 2020 13:10:53 GMT 1
City - Arsenal game off tonight. Wolves and United playing behind closed doors. Hard to see how the domestic season can possibly continue much longer as though this isn't happening. I suspect some big decisions might have to be taken next week. Whilst thousands upon thousands upon thousands are roaming around Cheltenham and the London Underground ? Don't see your point. Football's continuing this week, rightly or wrongly, so why shouldn't Cheltenham? The City - Arsenal game is off for a specific reason. Next week (when Cheltenham will be over) might see gatherings above a certain limit prohibited. I expect a lot of tourist traffic on the underground etc has disappeared but we're not at a stage where people are going to be stopped from going to work.
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Post by venceremos on Mar 11, 2020 13:16:24 GMT 1
Given that WHO are convinced that China's numbers are real what the country has done is exceptional. They encountered something without knowing what it was too. Makes me wonder whether the Italian situation is a sign of failure. As was being said on Newsnight last night, there's a risk in taking draconian action too soon. When people come out of quarantine/self-isolation, the virus is still very much active and the infections curve then turns sharply upwards again. That's what epidemiologists say and I defer to their expertise. Mistakes have been, and will continue to be, made and hindsight's a wonderful thing but it's hard to know when the time is right for specific measures to be taken.
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Post by staffordshrew on Mar 11, 2020 15:18:32 GMT 1
All the schools will close in a few weeks - it's the Easter holiday. Will it help? Depends what the kids are doing instead.
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Post by zenfootball2 on Mar 11, 2020 16:04:45 GMT 1
if you wont to contrast how we as a country continue to not adequatley respond to this virus then contrats the US and British responces. More than 100 Brits are finally flown home after being evacuated from coronavirus-hit Grand Princess cruise ship in California – but will only self-isolate while American passengers are quarantined ! everyone going to china is quarantined for 14 days.
also today Poland has closed all schools, museums and cinemas despite only having 23 confirmed cases,
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Post by SeanBroseley on Mar 11, 2020 17:18:04 GMT 1
Given that WHO are convinced that China's numbers are real what the country has done is exceptional. They encountered something without knowing what it was too. Makes me wonder whether the Italian situation is a sign of failure. As was being said on Newsnight last night, there's a risk in taking draconian action too soon. When people come out of quarantine/self-isolation, the virus is still very much active and the infections curve then turns sharply upwards again. That's what epidemiologists say and I defer to their expertise. Mistakes have been, and will continue to be, made and hindsight's a wonderful thing but it's hard to know when the time is right for specific measures to be taken. This shifts me towards thinking that what we are seeing in Italy will come here. Not just in terms of numbers but in the chaos that follows. Unless there are countries who have had the virus for longer and their numbers haven't grown in the same way.
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Post by zenfootball2 on Mar 11, 2020 22:10:16 GMT 1
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Post by zenfootball2 on Mar 11, 2020 22:12:39 GMT 1
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Post by Worthingshrew on Mar 11, 2020 22:15:04 GMT 1
Yesterday, some expert said that it should start to peak in 2 weeks, today Hancock says in a couple of months. Has it changed or is there a lack of communication?
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Post by SeanBroseley on Mar 12, 2020 1:05:15 GMT 1
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Post by stuttgartershrew on Mar 12, 2020 8:30:11 GMT 1
Kickers game to be played this weekend at home it to be behind closed doors. VfB's next couple of games too. Seems this is specific to Stuttgart though, other clubs in the region with smaller crowds might be able to host games. All up in the air at the moment.
However, I suspect soon enough games in England will also start to be played behind closed doors when looking to that BBC link and what is included within the 'delay' phase. I would gather with that place, iFollow should then become available for all games (so at least fans don't miss out on watching games).
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Post by SeanBroseley on Mar 12, 2020 8:46:31 GMT 1
I'm seeing emergency department doctors on twitter saying they are not coping. We're about 13 days behind Italy. This medium post has a few good graphs on it. I particularly like the one in China about the official cases and the look back at what the true picture was. It is already here now and in big numbers, as likely as not, and we need to go to social distancing now. link
And here is a lesson from Korea of the importance of social distancing. Just one patient caused a spike in cases. link
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Post by stuttgartershrew on Mar 12, 2020 10:35:26 GMT 1
Granted this does have a whiff of Johnson looking to cover his own arse with how the UK is currently going about things but still, worth a watch anyhow...
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Post by zenfootball2 on Mar 12, 2020 11:16:11 GMT 1
through this whole process the goverment have been reactive rather than procative .it has failed to take robust measures , it has failed to ban flights from high risk countries. www.aljazeera.com/news/2020/03/china-worries-coronavirus-surge-infected-arrivals-200304062507995.html"We currently do not have a special procedure for people arriving from other countries other than the 14-day quarantine," Wang Xue, an official at Chengdu Entry and Exit Inspection and Quarantine Bureau, told Al Jazeera. "But if we have someone who arrives from high-risk areas, such as South Korea, Iran, or Italy, we have staff who will closely follow up with the passengers during their quarantine period to ensure there is no risk of virus transmission." if we had banned all flights from high risk areas and this is what the uk should have done weeks ago for returning uk citizens .
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Post by SeanBroseley on Mar 12, 2020 11:47:48 GMT 1
Peston report: link
The UK Government is going to go its own way. It thinks that the Chinese approach is wrong (as opposed to it being impossible in a more pluralist society). I guess we'll know by the May Day Bank Holiday. But hold on: You can get a reinfection
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Post by MetaShrew on Mar 12, 2020 11:50:55 GMT 1
Italy measures here within the next five days, surely?
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Post by SeanBroseley on Mar 12, 2020 12:54:16 GMT 1
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Post by Minormorris64 on Mar 12, 2020 13:35:39 GMT 1
Italy measures here within the next five days, surely? Surely ?, why ?, the figures are not comparable even with the difference in timeframe
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Post by zenfootball2 on Mar 12, 2020 14:04:26 GMT 1
the current approach from the goverment appears to be to let the virus spread slowly though the country to get the herd immunity; which for 85% of the country who will get mild to moderate symptoms but not so good for the other 15%
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Post by MetaShrew on Mar 12, 2020 14:06:18 GMT 1
Bizarrely, FIFA's corruption may have made for a stroke of scheduling genius. If the Euros are bumped to 2021, the 2022 World Cup had already been moved from summer to winter. So knock-on effects might be reduced.
Although I feel incredibly dirty for suggesting FIFA are in any way a force for good in the world.
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Post by SeanBroseley on Mar 12, 2020 14:16:17 GMT 1
Italy measures here within the next five days, surely? Surely ?, why ?, the figures are not comparable even with the difference in timeframe
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Post by Minormorris64 on Mar 12, 2020 14:24:45 GMT 1
Surely ?, why ?, the figures are not comparable even with the difference in timeframe So in the next 12.5 days there are going to be an average of 960 new cases a day and 65 deaths a day in the UK ? The current averages of 23 new cases a day since February 21st and 0.4 deaths would seem to say otherwise ?
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