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Post by Pilch on May 14, 2022 10:45:27 GMT 1
I clearly remember that, what I asked was which ones of 'our' shots did we make available on open source like you've stated we did I really can't make out if you're being deliberately obtuse or ... The problem is that we haven't made the vaccines open source, so poorer countries are having to pay through the nose for the vaccines, even though some of them could feasibly make their own if they were given the chance. Wealthy countries are keeping stockpiles back to give their own people a fourth jab, while many poor countries can't even give their people a first dose. I believe they are available at cost price, my point originally was give poorer countries the recipe and they will start cost cutting and as a result the vaccine could become weaker and no good altogether which would effect us all
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Post by neilsalop on May 14, 2022 10:48:55 GMT 1
I really can't make out if you're being deliberately obtuse or ... The problem is that we haven't made the vaccines open source, so poorer countries are having to pay through the nose for the vaccines, even though some of them could feasibly make their own if they were given the chance. Wealthy countries are keeping stockpiles back to give their own people a fourth jab, while many poor countries can't even give their people a first dose. I believe they are available at cost price, my point originally was give poorer countries the recipe and they will start cost cutting and as a result the vaccine could become weaker and no good altogether which would effect us all That argument is as weak now as it was last year. Even if they did water it down, which would not be possible if it was being monitored and why would they anyway, it would still have more effect than nothing at all?
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Post by Pilch on May 14, 2022 10:52:28 GMT 1
so we are almost down to 200,000 cases a day, down from over half a million a day ! excellent Whoops think you’ve got the comma in the wrong place…daily figures rolling average at 04/05 was 26,280…. I was quoting the uk official infection survey, estimated that numbers were down to 1.5M for last week with about 1 in 45 having the virus
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Post by Pilch on May 14, 2022 11:20:54 GMT 1
I believe they are available at cost price, my point originally was give poorer countries the recipe and they will start cost cutting and as a result the vaccine could become weaker and no good altogether which would effect us all That argument is as weak now as it was last year. Even if they did water it down, which would not be possible if it was being monitored and why would they anyway, it would still have more effect than nothing at all? and yet you label me "annoyingly insensitive or slow to understand" www.forbes.com/sites/williamhaseltine/2021/01/06/the-risks-of-delaying-or-diluting-covid-19-vaccines/?sh=6c60f74f3ad5
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Post by neilsalop on May 14, 2022 11:42:56 GMT 1
So the UK, the fifth largest economy in the world, were considering diluting or delaying the vaccines. You seem to believe that other countries would dilute the vaccines for their own people because of supposed corruption and greed, but accept that it was an option that our government actually considered, even though it would put us all at a greater risk. Fortunately they didn't follow through. You also accept that delays in getting the vaccines rolled out would lead to massive problems, yet seem to be content to allow those in poorer countries to face huge delays. Like I said every new infection carries the risk that the virus could mutate and without people getting the vaccine in poorer countries that is what is happening. The last two major variants have come from India and Africa and there are at least two more potential new variants of concern currently doing the rounds in South Africa. Dilution or delay are both bad options, but both were genuinely floated in government circles to try to cut costs. Fortunately most other countries actually care about their inhabitants, so would ensure that they received the best possible vaccines. The fact that you think they would rather cut corners than keep their people alive is quite sad really. Not every government is as corrupt or uncaring as ours you know.
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Post by Pilch on May 14, 2022 11:59:45 GMT 1
So the UK, the fifth largest economy in the world, were considering diluting or delaying the vaccines. You seem to believe that other countries would dilute the vaccines for their own people because of supposed corruption and greed, but accept that it was an option that our government actually considered, even though it would put us all at a greater risk. Fortunately they didn't follow through. You also accept that delays in getting the vaccines rolled out would lead to massive problems, yet seem to be content to allow those in poorer countries to face huge delays. Like I said every new infection carries the risk that the virus could mutate and without people getting the vaccine in poorer countries that is what is happening. The last two major variants have come from India and Africa and there are at least two more potential new variants of concern currently doing the rounds in South Africa. Dilution or delay are both bad options, but both were genuinely floated in government circles to try to cut costs. Fortunately most other countries actually care about their inhabitants, so would ensure that they received the best possible vaccines. The fact that you think they would rather cut corners than keep their people alive is quite sad really. Not every government is as corrupt or uncaring as ours you know. I think you've proved my point, did our gov consider this for corruption and greed ? NO it was to attempt to get a bit into more people asap with more to follow now give it to someone who is skint, corrupt and greedy and see what their morals are
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Post by Pilch on May 14, 2022 12:06:19 GMT 1
Whoops think you’ve got the comma in the wrong place…daily figures rolling average at 04/05 was 26,280…. I think on the quiet he is a secret reporter for the Daily Express..... there you go again, sniping about me behind my back, coward
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Post by Pilch on May 14, 2022 12:51:26 GMT 1
there you go again, sniping about me behind my back, coward Tbf, you do make yourself a very easy target 🙂 I'm your target am I ? who do you think you are ?
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Post by neilsalop on May 14, 2022 15:34:23 GMT 1
Tbf, you do make yourself a very easy target 🙂 I'm your target am I ? who do you think you are ? Let's be honest owd lad you do have a tendency to invite arguments and then get miffed when anyone takes up your offer.
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Post by GrizzlyShrew on May 14, 2022 16:12:35 GMT 1
I'm your target am I ? who do you think you are ? Let's be honest owd lad you do have a tendency to invite arguments and then get miffed when anyone takes up your offer. You said it for me, I was trying to dress it up a bit.
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Post by Pilch on May 14, 2022 16:59:52 GMT 1
I'm your target am I ? who do you think you are ? Let's be honest owd lad you do have a tendency to invite arguments and then get miffed when anyone takes up your offer. what b******s are you on about I posted the latest covid figures and got challenged saying I was way out, I pointed out my source and got sniped, so b******s again the fact I dared to reply to you earlier about the topic you posted about would suggest you are actually describing yourself pal, I questioned your post and right away you got personal like you always do
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Post by Pilch on May 14, 2022 17:03:21 GMT 1
Let's be honest owd lad you do have a tendency to invite arguments and then get miffed when anyone takes up your offer. You said it for me, I was trying to dress it up a bit. you couldn't dress a salad
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Post by GrizzlyShrew on May 14, 2022 17:08:50 GMT 1
You said it for me, I was trying to dress it up a bit. you couldn't dress a salad Probably very true, salad belongs in the bin
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Post by neilsalop on May 14, 2022 17:28:12 GMT 1
So the UK, the fifth largest economy in the world, were considering diluting or delaying the vaccines. You seem to believe that other countries would dilute the vaccines for their own people because of supposed corruption and greed, but accept that it was an option that our government actually considered, even though it would put us all at a greater risk. Fortunately they didn't follow through. You also accept that delays in getting the vaccines rolled out would lead to massive problems, yet seem to be content to allow those in poorer countries to face huge delays. Like I said every new infection carries the risk that the virus could mutate and without people getting the vaccine in poorer countries that is what is happening. The last two major variants have come from India and Africa and there are at least two more potential new variants of concern currently doing the rounds in South Africa. Dilution or delay are both bad options, but both were genuinely floated in government circles to try to cut costs. Fortunately most other countries actually care about their inhabitants, so would ensure that they received the best possible vaccines. The fact that you think they would rather cut corners than keep their people alive is quite sad really. Not every government is as corrupt or uncaring as ours you know. I think you've proved my point, did our gov consider this for corruption and greed ? NO it was to attempt to get a bit into more people asap with more to follow now give it to someone who is skint, corrupt and greedy and see what their morals are Ok here's your answer. No I don't actually believe that on this question our government were greedy and corrupt, which to be honest based on the dodgy contracts and parties does make a refreshing change. Was it really for altruistic reasons that they decided not to dilute it or was it because they would have been slaughtered in the media if it ever came to light? Why do assume that all poorer countries have greedier and more corrupt governments than we do?
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Post by Pilch on May 14, 2022 17:38:51 GMT 1
Why do assume that all poorer countries have greedier and more corrupt governments than we do? I dunno, maybe they opened their bloody eyes www.ft.com/content/c84ead24-ce7e-11e1-bc0c-00144feabdc0 No.4 on page one of Google search with just the key words of 'financial corruption oil'. I didn't even have to work for it and that's just in the UK. If you want me dig into corruption in the oil business in places like Nigeria, Russia, the Middle East, Venezuela or the US you'll have give me five minutes. Alternatively you could just open your bloody eyes.
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Post by neilsalop on May 14, 2022 17:48:11 GMT 1
Why do assume that all poorer countries have greedier and more corrupt governments than we do? I dunno, maybe they opened their bloody eyes www.ft.com/content/c84ead24-ce7e-11e1-bc0c-00144feabdc0 No.4 on page one of Google search with just the key words of 'financial corruption oil'. I didn't even have to work for it and that's just in the UK. If you want me dig into corruption in the oil business in places like Nigeria, Russia, the Middle East, Venezuela or the US you'll have give me five minutes. Alternatively you could just open your bloody eyes. Two on that list could possibly be considered to be poor countries and I was discussing financial corruption in the oil business not dealing with a pandemic.
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Post by Valerioch on May 16, 2022 10:05:30 GMT 1
Had the privilege of a Ryan Air flight last week. Superb levels of non compliance on the outdated and pointless mask rule. People have long had enough, including the staff. Great to see
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Post by GrizzlyShrew on May 16, 2022 10:21:29 GMT 1
Had the privilege of a Ryan Air flight last week. Superb levels of non compliance on the outdated and pointless mask rule. People have long had enough, including the staff. Great to see Yes I had that experience on Friday too. Was wonderful to watch, play a taped message saying that passengers were all expected to wear face covering for the whole flight. To which the 75% that hadnt got one one took not one bit of notice. Was probably more like 95% by the end of the flight. Agreed, great to see. Meant to wear one on public transport in Spain, no one wearing them on the airport shuttle buses either.
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Post by Pilch on May 16, 2022 12:28:09 GMT 1
Had the privilege of a Ryan Air flight last week. Superb levels of non compliance on the outdated and pointless mask rule. People have long had enough, including the staff. Great to see What a sad post , let’s hope the cockpit crew took their job seriously , and the mechanics and security Wouldn’t be such a laughing matter would it if they cut corners , no doubt if a door fell off it would just be like a common flue 🫣
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Post by GrizzlyShrew on May 16, 2022 12:41:13 GMT 1
Had the privilege of a Ryan Air flight last week. Superb levels of non compliance on the outdated and pointless mask rule. People have long had enough, including the staff. Great to see Of course, just for the balance it should be pointed out that for those who still feel that they really need to wear one they are perfectly entitled to do so forever and a day until the end of time. But at least both options are available now, rather that having someone elses views forced upon you.
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Post by South Stand Salopian on May 19, 2022 17:18:37 GMT 1
Scientific advisers have sent the government their recommendations for who should be offered a COVID booster jab this autumn. Experts from the Joint Committee on Vaccination and Immunisation (JCVI) say the extra shot would help maintain protection over the winter against severe COVID-19. It recommends jabs for: Over 65s Care home residents and staff Frontline health and social care workers People over 16 in vulnerable groups news.sky.com/story/covid-19-jcvi-recommends-autumn-booster-jabs-for-some-groups-12616779
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Post by Valerioch on May 19, 2022 17:35:01 GMT 1
Scientific advisers have sent the government their recommendations for who should be offered a COVID booster jab this autumn. Experts from the Joint Committee on Vaccination and Immunisation (JCVI) say the extra shot would help maintain protection over the winter against severe COVID-19. It recommends jabs for: Over 65s Care home residents and staff Frontline health and social care workers People over 16 in vulnerable groups news.sky.com/story/covid-19-jcvi-recommends-autumn-booster-jabs-for-some-groups-12616779Sounds good, just like the flu boosters. Excellent
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Post by staffordshrew on May 19, 2022 18:29:14 GMT 1
Had the privilege of a Ryan Air flight last week. Superb levels of non compliance on the outdated and pointless mask rule. People have long had enough, including the staff. Great to see What rebels! Must have made you all feel so smug to ignore the rules, did you not bother with the seatbelt on take-off and landing too?
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Post by GrizzlyShrew on May 19, 2022 18:50:23 GMT 1
Had the privilege of a Ryan Air flight last week. Superb levels of non compliance on the outdated and pointless mask rule. People have long had enough, including the staff. Great to see What rebels! Must have made you all feel so smug to ignore the rules, did you not bother with the seatbelt on take-off and landing too? Think its otherwise known as getting back to normal. No need for such comments which are soooooo last year. Edit - why is it safe not have to wear one on flights to some countries but not to others, clever bugger this Coronovirus!
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Post by Deleted on May 19, 2022 18:52:37 GMT 1
What rebels! Must have made you all feel so smug to ignore the rules, did you not bother with the seatbelt on take-off and landing too? Think its otherwise known as getting back to normal. No need for such comments which are soooooo last year. Edit - why is it safe not have to wear one on flights to some countries but not to others, clever bugger this Coronovirus! You’re back to normal, Valerie’s back to normal. Why the **** does it matter what anyone else is doing?
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Post by ssshrew on May 19, 2022 18:58:55 GMT 1
Scientific advisers have sent the government their recommendations for who should be offered a COVID booster jab this autumn. Experts from the Joint Committee on Vaccination and Immunisation (JCVI) say the extra shot would help maintain protection over the winter against severe COVID-19. It recommends jabs for: Over 65s Care home residents and staff Frontline health and social care workers People over 16 in vulnerable groups news.sky.com/story/covid-19-jcvi-recommends-autumn-booster-jabs-for-some-groups-12616779Yet again no mention of education staff and yet schools will still be expected to run as normal.
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Post by Valerioch on May 19, 2022 19:52:55 GMT 1
Think its otherwise known as getting back to normal. No need for such comments which are soooooo last year. Edit - why is it safe not have to wear one on flights to some countries but not to others, clever bugger this Coronovirus! You’re back to normal, Valerie’s back to normal. Why the **** does it matter what anyone else is doing? I didn’t say it did matter, I merely stated my experience and got the exact response I wanted 😂🎣
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Post by GlosShrew on May 19, 2022 20:42:31 GMT 1
Had the privilege of a Ryan Air flight last week. Superb levels of non compliance on the outdated and pointless mask rule. People have long had enough, including the staff. Great to see Yes I had that experience on Friday too. Was wonderful to watch, play a taped message saying that passengers were all expected to wear face covering for the whole flight. To which the 75% that hadnt got one one took not one bit of notice. Was probably more like 95% by the end of the flight. Agreed, great to see. Meant to wear one on public transport in Spain, no one wearing them on the airport shuttle buses either.
Strangely I flew to Spain last week on EasyJet - all passengers were requested to wear masks and there was 100% compliance (well I didn't see anyone not wearing a mask) both ways. Also full compliance on the Renfe train we took - son took off his to eat and forgot to put back on. Security guard put him right!!!
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Post by Pilch on May 19, 2022 21:08:29 GMT 1
Had the privilege of a Ryan Air flight last week. Superb levels of non compliance on the outdated and pointless mask rule. People have long had enough, including the staff. Great to see Of course, just for the balance it should be pointed out that for those who still feel that they really need to wear one they are perfectly entitled to do so forever and a day until the end of time. But at least both options are available now, rather that having someone elses views forced upon you. it sounds to me like there wasn't 2 options available or have I misunderstood the meaning of 'non compliance' or was the plane just full of covidiots ?
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Post by Pilch on May 19, 2022 21:17:06 GMT 1
Yes I had that experience on Friday too. Was wonderful to watch, play a taped message saying that passengers were all expected to wear face covering for the whole flight. To which the 75% that hadnt got one one took not one bit of notice. Was probably more like 95% by the end of the flight. Agreed, great to see. Meant to wear one on public transport in Spain, no one wearing them on the airport shuttle buses either.
Strangely I flew to Spain last week on EasyJet - all passengers were requested to wear masks and there was 100% compliance (well I didn't see anyone not wearing a mask) both ways. Also full compliance on the Renfe train we took - son took off his to eat and forgot to put back on. Security guard put him right!!! that's good to hear, I still wear one anywhere that requests me too, its not hard really, even a simpleton could manage it so for me that's hospitals, most chemists, and dentists, in the last couple of weeks, I one of my 3 dentists have stopped wearing them, and noticed today that boots have stopped too having not long had covid I pose zero threat to giving or getting it, I'm also except too but its no big deal popping one on briefly but imagine what a man I'd be if I took it off and bragged about it ;-)
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