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Post by zenfootball2 on Mar 4, 2020 20:15:53 GMT 1
considering it was only recently rescued i would imagine it is a company that is rather fragile.
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Post by MetaShrew on Mar 4, 2020 21:06:40 GMT 1
Seems odd that ALL flights to infected regions, if not whole countries, weren't already knocked on the head this week. Repatriate people, sure. But no new return journeys, perhaps? At least for a week or so, while we are understanding the scale of the situation in Britain. There's a point where 'keep calm and carry on' actually becomes 'burying one's head in the sand', worsening the problem.
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Post by zenfootball2 on Mar 4, 2020 21:28:22 GMT 1
Seems odd that ALL flights to infected regions, if not whole countries, weren't already knocked on the head this week. Repatriate people, sure. But no new return journeys, perhaps? At least for a week or so, while we are understanding the scale of the situation in Britain. There's a point where 'keep calm and carry on' actually becomes 'burying one's head in the sand', worsening the problem. bearing in mind that New Zealand stoped flights from china 30 days ago to say we have been slow to react is an understatment
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Post by staffordshrew on Mar 4, 2020 21:42:05 GMT 1
as i am one of the group with an impaired imune system i could be offended but my expeience is that once you get too a certain age you become invisable . Sadly very true. We live in a society which worships youth and sticks old people away in homes, often out of town and out of sight. Also not helped by fully developed capitalism in which if you are not economically active you are worthless. Current pensioners are likely to have a good pension and disposable income, so pensioners are most important. Being invisible has it's advantages too.
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Post by GrizzlyShrew on Mar 4, 2020 22:14:58 GMT 1
Seems odd that ALL flights to infected regions, if not whole countries, weren't already knocked on the head this week. Repatriate people, sure. But no new return journeys, perhaps? Yeh, dont worry about any airline or airport staff, or others that might come into contact with them in being repatriated. Like most measures being suggested, it wont make much if any difference to the spread (or otherwise ) at all.
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Post by LetchworthShrew on Mar 4, 2020 22:33:48 GMT 1
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Post by venceremos on Mar 5, 2020 0:20:01 GMT 1
Reported in the Times tomorrow that the virus has mutated & that 70% of new cases are a more aggressive strain. That sounds very worrying.
As with climate change, the danger lies more in doing too little and constantly trying to catch up than in overreacting.
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Post by venceremos on Mar 5, 2020 0:24:34 GMT 1
i was just speaking to my window cleaner who's friend had come back from northern italy he asked his employers would he get paid if he self isolated he was told no and to use his holiday leave ,so he whent to work . It's a tenuous link, if we all self isolate because we know someone who may have come in contact with the virus then not much is going to get done. On the other hand, don't want to take chances. In this case, he's outside cleaning windows, maybe he should just keep a reasonable distance from anyone elderly or infirm on his round? A virus isn’t transmitted by “knowing someone” (unless biblically!) but just keeping a reasonable distance from anyone elderly or infirm (how can you tell?) doesn’t sound like a winning strategy against a potential pandemic.
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Post by staffordshrew on Mar 5, 2020 11:04:18 GMT 1
It's a tenuous link, if we all self isolate because we know someone who may have come in contact with the virus then not much is going to get done. On the other hand, don't want to take chances. In this case, he's outside cleaning windows, maybe he should just keep a reasonable distance from anyone elderly or infirm on his round? A virus isn’t transmitted by “knowing someone” (unless biblically!) but just keeping a reasonable distance from anyone elderly or infirm (how can you tell?) doesn’t sound like a winning strategy against a potential pandemic. Thereby is the big conundrum in this. Do we suspend everything, or do we act as sensibly as possible? I believe one country has stated that events can go ahead provided people are at least one metre apart, whether that will do any good is obviously open to question. Not sure we are going to be able to stop a potential pandemic, even people who stock up with toilet rolls and tins are going to have to go out to the local coop at least sometime soon. The people most likely to die are the elderly and infirm and I would suggest that a window cleaner will know who the elderly and infirm are on his round. We might nearly all get what Prince Willy described as a "cold", but we have to do our best to keep this virus away from small children, the elderly and out of care homes, hospitals, etc. where a lot of vulnerable people might become life threateningly ill from it.
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Post by zenfootball2 on Mar 5, 2020 12:24:44 GMT 1
A virus isn’t transmitted by “knowing someone” (unless biblically!) but just keeping a reasonable distance from anyone elderly or infirm (how can you tell?) doesn’t sound like a winning strategy against a potential pandemic. Thereby is the big conundrum in this. Do we suspend everything, or do we act as sensibly as possible? I believe one country has stated that events can go ahead provided people are at least one metre apart, whether that will do any good is obviously open to question. Not sure we are going to be able to stop a potential pandemic, even people who stock up with toilet rolls and tins are going to have to go out to the local coop at least sometime soon. The people most likely to die are the elderly and infirm and I would suggest that a window cleaner will know who the elderly and infirm are on his round. We might nearly all get what Prince Willy described as a "cold", but we have to do our best to keep this virus away from small children, the elderly and out of care homes, hospitals, etc. where a lot of vulnerable people might become life threateningly ill from it. we seem to be in a stage were numbers of infected people will esculate , how we look after the most vunerable will be a chalenge .
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Post by wakemanender on Mar 5, 2020 12:41:11 GMT 1
A ban on mass gatherings. No problem for towns last few home games.
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Post by Minormorris64 on Mar 5, 2020 13:27:26 GMT 1
Just a thought with quite a few mentions of respiratory and lung problems and most of the ACTUAL deaths being people over a certain age ...............
HOW MANY ARE/ WERE SMOKERS ?
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Post by zenfootball2 on Mar 5, 2020 14:12:24 GMT 1
did my usual shop i asked the person behind the till was there much panic buying , i was informed hand sanitizers ,cleaning wipes and toilet rolls were featuring hevily in people shops. it seems one person bought five large packs of toilet rolls which in total is 120 rolls !!!!!!!!!!
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Post by LetchworthShrew on Mar 5, 2020 14:27:25 GMT 1
England 6 nations mens, womens and u20 games v Italy have been postponed. Intention is to play them at a later date!
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Post by venceremos on Mar 5, 2020 15:27:11 GMT 1
Just a thought with quite a few mentions of respiratory and lung problems and most of the ACTUAL deaths being people over a certain age ............... HOW MANY ARE/ WERE SMOKERS ? Does it matter? The worst way of dealing with this would be to engender a false sense of security in those not considering themselves to be vulnerable. We’re all potential (and likely) carriers of the virus to others.
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Post by venceremos on Mar 5, 2020 15:28:08 GMT 1
did my usual shop i asked the person behind the till was there much panic buying , i was informed hand sanitizers ,cleaning wipes and toilet rolls were featuring hevily in people shops. it seems one person bought five large packs of toilet rolls which in total is 120 rolls !!!!!!!!!! I bet that was a no deal brexiteer!
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Post by The Shropshire Tenor on Mar 5, 2020 15:55:55 GMT 1
did my usual shop i asked the person behind the till was there much panic buying , i was informed hand sanitizers ,cleaning wipes and toilet rolls were featuring hevily in people shops. it seems one person bought five large packs of toilet rolls which in total is 120 rolls !!!!!!!!!! We’re just back from our weekly supermarket shop and the extent of panic buying is incredible. It’s as though people expect to be under siege for months. What happened to ‘keep calm and carry on’?
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Post by zenfootball2 on Mar 5, 2020 16:04:10 GMT 1
Just a thought with quite a few mentions of respiratory and lung problems and most of the ACTUAL deaths being people over a certain age ............... HOW MANY ARE/ WERE SMOKERS ? Does it matter? The worst way of dealing with this would be to engender a false sense of security in those not considering themselves to be vulnerable. We’re all potential (and likely) carriers of the virus to others. by the time you realize you are a carrier it is to late
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Post by LetchworthShrew on Mar 5, 2020 19:02:31 GMT 1
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Post by zenfootball2 on Mar 5, 2020 19:09:51 GMT 1
very sad and unfortently there will be more
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Post by GrizzlyShrew on Mar 5, 2020 20:56:37 GMT 1
did my usual shop i asked the person behind the till was there much panic buying , i was informed hand sanitizers ,cleaning wipes and toilet rolls were featuring hevily in people shops. it seems one person bought five large packs of toilet rolls which in total is 120 rolls !!!!!!!!!! We’re just back from our weekly supermarket shop and the extent of panic buying is incredible. It’s as though people expect to be under siege for months. What happened to ‘keep calm and carry on’? It got eroded in the UK long ago by the media and their ridiculously hyping up anything and everything they want to. And most folks STILL pander to them
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Post by The Shropshire Tenor on Mar 5, 2020 23:28:12 GMT 1
To keep things in proportion 50,000 over 70s died from winter flu last year.
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Post by Pilch on Mar 6, 2020 2:42:48 GMT 1
Just a thought with quite a few mentions of respiratory and lung problems and most of the ACTUAL deaths being people over a certain age ............... HOW MANY ARE/ WERE SMOKERS ? hundreds a day , every day , die in the uk from smoking, and dont forget, if you smoke you can never become a non smoker, you are a smoker for life
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Post by Deleted on Mar 6, 2020 9:32:31 GMT 1
Just a thought with quite a few mentions of respiratory and lung problems and most of the ACTUAL deaths being people over a certain age ............... HOW MANY ARE/ WERE SMOKERS ? hundreds a day , every day , die in the uk from smoking, and dont forget, if you smoke you can never become a non smoker, you are a smoker for life I gave up smoking 34 years ago so I'm definitely a non smoker. Best thing I've ever done.
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Post by GrizzlyShrew on Mar 6, 2020 10:08:26 GMT 1
hundreds a day , every day , die in the uk from smoking, and dont forget, if you smoke you can never become a non smoker, you are a smoker for life I gave up smoking 34 years ago so I'm definitely a non smoker. Best thing I've ever done. I would say that classes you as an Ex Smoker. Well done on giving up though.
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Post by zenfootball2 on Mar 6, 2020 10:12:06 GMT 1
To keep things in proportion 50,000 over 70s died from winter flu last year. disinformation and alarmist headlines in the media do not help, people see empty shelves and lurid headlings of panick buying and things just spiral. prudence and good hand hygine significantly reduces cross infection. with all figures it depends on how you calculate them; "I was perturbed and slighty astonished last week to see last winter's excess mortality being largely attributed to the bad flu season, though it is well-established that this was not the case - the main culprit being on this occasion apparently the Office for National Statistics [ONS]. "There were around 50,100 excess winter deaths in England and Wales in 2017-18 - the highest since the winter of 1975-76, figures from the Office for National Statistics show. "The increase is thought to be down to the flu, the ineffectiveness of the flu vaccine in older people and spells of very cold weather last winter." The Daily Mail reported [2]: "More than 50,000 excess deaths were recorded across England and Wales last winter, official figures show. "Excess deaths refer to the amount of patients that died unexpectedly, calculated by comparing the mortality rate from winter months to the rest of the year. "The shocking figures have been partially blamed on the deadly strains of flu that swept the nations over the colder months of December to March. " So the government are now apparent not only blaming fluctuations in winter mortality on flu but all excess winter mortality on flu, to the the tune of more than 50,000 deaths. The reality is that Public Health England had already published the flu mortality figures for the season in May [4]: "Through the USISS mandatory scheme, a total of 3,454 ICU/HDU admissions of confirmed influenza were reported across the UK from week 40 2017 to week 15 2018, including 372 deaths, based on combined data from England, Scotland and Northern Ireland. In England, the total number of influenza confirmed admissions to ICU/HDU was 3,175 (rate of 0.22 per 100, 000 population) and 320 deaths during the same period; "The cumulative number of cases and deaths were higher compared to the 2016 to 2017 season (992 cases (rate of 0.06) and 112 deaths) and to the 2015 to 2016 season (2,173 cases (rate of 0.14 per 100, 000) and 166 deaths) in England. This season represents the highest number and rate observed since the beginning of the scheme .On this basis, the number of deaths in England and Wales in an admittedly exceptionally bad year would have been only in the region of 335-340 deaths, and the ONS seem to have exaggerated the risk to the public by in the region of 150 times." so if you look at the figure for seasonal deaths it was 50,000 if you look at the deaths from flue it was 335- 340 in England and wales. this was for the year 2017-2018. www.sciencealert.com/covid-19-s-death-rate-is-higher-than-thought-but-it-should-dropas more data becomes avaiable the moratality rate figure with cornovirus has been amended by the world health council these figures are for cornoavirus moratality rates only. it has amended the figure from" 2% to 3.4% and 14.8%% in over 80 age group" "The World Health Organisation's director-general, Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus, noted that the death rate was far higher than that of the seasonal flu, which kills about 0.1 percent of those infected."
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Post by shrewder on Mar 6, 2020 11:32:10 GMT 1
The important figure to watch is the death rate of those infected with the virus compared with seasonal flu. It will probably take some time to settle down into a meaningful figure. Until some form of treatment the concern for the majority of the population must be how many front line health workers come down with the virus. So yes at the present time the majority of us are unlikely to catch it but that is of little compensation if you cannot be treated for other conditions because of a further shortage of NHS staff because of illness.
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Post by The Shropshire Tenor on Mar 6, 2020 11:33:20 GMT 1
Thanks for doing the research Zen, I picked up the stat from a tweet by Dr Phil Hammond.
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Post by GrizzlyShrew on Mar 6, 2020 14:45:38 GMT 1
Awaiting the media hype for this. Wont happen of course as its old news and the world still goes on.....
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