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Post by zenfootball2 on Mar 2, 2020 20:02:42 GMT 1
www.thesun.co.uk/news/11057177/coronavirus-brits-chaos-events-schools-closed/"Chief Medical Officer for England Prof Chris Whitty has said the UK will have to consider axing mass gatherings if the "virus intensifies"." www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-51693195"Speaking on the BBC's Andrew Marr Show, Mr Hancock said there were four phases to the plan: Containment - caring for any infected people and identifying their close contacts Delay - deciding what actions to take to slow down the spread Mitigation - damage limitation if the virus spreads widely Research - constant and ongoing work to inform the three other phases Currently, the UK is in the "containment" phase - which health leaders say may still be sufficient. But the next phase could see broader "social distancing" measures." www.reuters.com/article/us-china-health-france/france-bans-gatherings-of-more-than-5000-due-to-coronavirus-idUSKBN20N0MD"The French government on Saturday put a temporary ban on public gatherings with more than 5,000 people due to the coronavirus outbreak, as France reported 16 new cases." let us hope the containment measuer's are sufficient and that the number of infections and death be kept to a minimum. www.bi.team/blogs/covid-19-how-do-we-encourage-the-right-behaviours-during-an-epidemic/"There is also some evidence to suggest that far from helping, directly addressing misinformation might instead be counterproductive. Two online experiments in Brazil found that providing corrective information not only did not lessen common misconceptions about Zika, but actually reduced levels of confidence in other beliefs about the virus, both accurate and inaccurate." "When people are concerned about a perceived threat, their ability to process information effectively can become severely impaired which means clear and precise communication is essential. In some cases, less rather than more information leads to more accurate judgements. Communicating simple instructions that are easy to remember makes it more likely that people will follow them. a good example of keeping things simple ; wash your hands whilst you sing happy birthday twice. As understanding of the virus improves, governments should work to communicate this reduction in uncertainty. A survey of 997 British adults in 2009 found people were more willing to adopt preventive behaviours to avoid swine flu when they felt government communications on the topic were honest and reduced uncertainty. " www.nhs.uk/conditions/coronavirus-covid-19/the guidance is clear and sensible .
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Post by Red Rose In Exile on Mar 2, 2020 22:19:24 GMT 1
Hopefully being an island will help with the containment to some degree!
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Post by zenfootball2 on Mar 2, 2020 22:28:58 GMT 1
Hopefully being an island will help with the containment to some degree! it would have done if we had stoped flights from infected areas. we will need to start doing the foot touching courtsey instead of shaking hands.
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Post by zenfootball2 on Mar 2, 2020 22:38:15 GMT 1
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Post by venceremos on Mar 3, 2020 0:16:21 GMT 1
Surprised to learn this evening that there are two self-isolating households where I live. Recently returned from the Far East apparently. Not sure what that means for them in practice but I salute their commitment to social responsibility.
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Post by staffordshrew on Mar 3, 2020 11:12:01 GMT 1
Interesting that in France mass gatherings over 5000 are banned. If away fans are not allowed to travel to try to prevent virus spread then we could still watch Shrewsbury Town under those rules.
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Post by staffordshrew on Mar 3, 2020 11:18:26 GMT 1
As people never assess stats correctly just tell the population that 65% of the people will get Coronavirus and 3% will die, it might just engage brains a little.
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Post by frankwellshrews on Mar 3, 2020 11:26:52 GMT 1
I'll make a prediction that we are in the last few days, possibly hours that BoJo has left to make a legacy altering, life changing for many, decision.
We should be declaring a major emergency, with people discouraged from travelling and attending events and if that means the government has to step in to bail out the self employed or small businesses who don't have the insurance cover to meet payroll whilst staff stay home to look after their kids, so be it.
Anything less than that risks a major outbreak which, if the estimated figures around likely hospitalization are even half true, will overwhelm the NHS, draw all its resources for months and have long-lasting ramifications for months, years even down the line.
Sincerely hope I'm wrong (as a dad to two small children with several older relatives, believe me I'm not scaremongering for the sake of it) but I have a horrible feeling that Boris really needs to do some hard thinking about what he wants his premiership to be remembered for.
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Post by Pilch on Mar 3, 2020 13:13:10 GMT 1
I say we cancel all football and return results of null and void for all comps
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Post by zenfootball2 on Mar 3, 2020 13:23:24 GMT 1
Surprised to learn this evening that there are two self-isolating households where I live. Recently returned from the Far East apparently. Not sure what that means for them in practice but "I salute their commitment to social responsibility." as do i but call me cynical( i wish i was not) but i suspect the people who self isolate voluntarily are in a minority.
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Post by staffordshrew on Mar 3, 2020 13:47:37 GMT 1
Surprised to learn this evening that there are two self-isolating households where I live. Recently returned from the Far East apparently. Not sure what that means for them in practice but "I salute their commitment to social responsibility." as do i but call me cynical( i wish i was not) but i suspect the people who self isolate voluntarily are in a minority. Call me even more cynical but I suspect some people who self isolate just want to scive off for a fortnight, or are homeless and want to set themselves up in a free hotel room for a fortnight.
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Post by staffordshrew on Mar 3, 2020 13:52:40 GMT 1
I say we cancel all football and return results of null and void for all comps The really big crowds are with the big clubs, I say cancel the Premier league. Most of the supporters are travelling from all over the country calling themselves Man U, Liverpool, etc. supporters - it creates a big crowd of "home" supporters from all over the country, increasing the risk of virus transmission.
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Post by ssshrew on Mar 3, 2020 14:34:10 GMT 1
I say we cancel all football and return results of null and void for all comps The really big crowds are with the big clubs, I say cancel the Premier league. Most of the supporters are travelling from all over the country calling themselves Man U, Liverpool, etc. supporters - it creates a big crowd of "home" supporters from all over the country, increasing the risk of virus transmission. What?!!!!! Another winter break!!!!?
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Post by staffordshrew on Mar 3, 2020 14:41:08 GMT 1
The really big crowds are with the big clubs, I say cancel the Premier league. Most of the supporters are travelling from all over the country calling themselves Man U, Liverpool, etc. supporters - it creates a big crowd of "home" supporters from all over the country, increasing the risk of virus transmission. What?!!!!! Another winter break!!!!? The poor loves need all the rest they can get ready for the lucrative summer tours.
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Post by venceremos on Mar 3, 2020 15:08:57 GMT 1
"I salute their commitment to social responsibility." as do i but call me cynical( i wish i was not) but i suspect the people who self isolate voluntarily are in a minority. Call me even more cynical but I suspect some people who self isolate just want to scive off for a fortnight, or are homeless and want to set themselves up in a free hotel room for a fortnight. ? Strange response. You're not given anything if you self-isolate, you just voluntarily avoid social contact. I believe one of the self-isolating households here is a retired couple, which might help allay your concern. That depth of cynicism must be a burden to shoulder!
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Post by frankwellshrews on Mar 3, 2020 15:19:04 GMT 1
Call me even more cynical but I suspect some people who self isolate just want to scive off for a fortnight, or are homeless and want to set themselves up in a free hotel room for a fortnight. ? Strange response. You're not given anything if you self-isolate, you just voluntarily avoid social contact. I believe one of the self-isolating households here is a retired couple, which might help allay your concern. That depth of cynicism must be a burden to shoulder! On a related note, another massive PR coup for Greggs today as they announce their staff will be able to self isolate on full pay. Let's hope other companies see the good press and follow suite. Just need the government to step in and incentivise this selfless behaviour now (Won't hold my breath).
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Post by zenfootball2 on Mar 3, 2020 15:31:02 GMT 1
The uk seems to be adopting a reactive rather than proactive responce to this virus and seem to be rather slow and less than robust in screening at airports.
i contrast new Zealans have been a lot more proactive they have stopped flights from china on the 3rd of february,all New Zealand citizens who returned whent to montiored self isolation and untill reacently they had no cases. the one case they do have is from a person who's family returned from Iran and 31 people are currently been tested. they have stopped flights from Iran, korea and japan. New Zealand is paying an economic price for these robust measures 12,000 chinese students have not been allowed to return. the tourist industry , logging and farming are affected as 28% Of New Zealands exports go to china .
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Post by Pilch on Mar 3, 2020 16:22:45 GMT 1
I say we cancel all football and return results of null and void for all comps The really big crowds are with the big clubs, I say cancel the Premier league. Most of the supporters are travelling from all over the country calling themselves Man U, Liverpool, etc. supporters - it creates a big crowd of "home" supporters from all over the country, increasing the risk of virus transmission. you're right just cancel the premiership, im sure fans will be understanding, and will give the players a bit of a break too
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Post by venceremos on Mar 3, 2020 16:24:14 GMT 1
I read last night that Japan is paying $80 a day to parents to stay home and look after their children following the closure of schools.
Sobering "worst case" prospect that up to 20% of the UK workforce could be off sick when the Covid-19 virus peaks. That's nearly 6.5m people. Most of those won't be in the most vulnerable groups as far as mortality is concerned but, even allowing for that, thousands of deaths amongst the working population could be expected to result. With the death rate likely to be higher amongst other groups, that's a chilling possibility.
Let's hope the international effort to contain it succeeds. National efforts alone aren't enough - as I read an epidemiologist quoted yesterday, "we're only as safe as the least safe place".
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Post by frankwellshrews on Mar 3, 2020 16:53:12 GMT 1
I read last night that Japan is paying $80 a day to parents to stay home and look after their children following the closure of schools. Sobering "worst case" prospect that up to 20% of the UK workforce could be off sick when the Covid-19 virus peaks. That's nearly 6.5m people. Most of those won't be in the most vulnerable groups as far as mortality is concerned but, even allowing for that, thousands of deaths amongst the working population could be expected to result. With the death rate likely to be higher amongst other groups, that's a chilling possibility. Let's hope the international effort to contain it succeeds. National efforts alone aren't enough - as I read an epidemiologist quoted yesterday, "we're only as safe as the least safe place". Wasn't aware of that but if Japan can afford to do that, why can't we? I can do my job entirely from home (not ideal but could be done), £60 a day would enable my wife to stay at home for 4 days instead of work. Even if they just met employers half way and supplemented pay for non essential workers who need to stay home. Just feels like we're prioritising perceived "keeping calm" over taking the bold steps needed.
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Post by zenfootball2 on Mar 3, 2020 17:40:36 GMT 1
www.statnews.com/2020/03/03/who-is-getting-sick-and-how-sick-a-breakdown-of-coronavirus-risk-by-demographic-factors/"The death toll skews old even more strongly. Overall, China CDC found, 2.3% of confirmed cases died. But the fatality rate was 14.8% in people 80 or older, likely reflecting the presence of other diseases, a weaker immune system, or simply worse overall health. By contrast, the fatality rate was 1.3% in 50-somethings, 0.4% in 40-somethings, and 0.2% in people 10 to 39." "The age-related death risk probably reflects the strength, or weakness, of the respiratory system. About half of the 109 Covid-19 patients (ages 22 to 94) treated at Central Hospital of Wuhan, researchers there reported, developed acute respiratory distress syndrome (ARDS), in which fluid builds up in the small air sacs of the lungs. That restricts how much air the lungs can take in, reducing the oxygen supply to vital organs, sometimes fatally; half of the ARDS patients died, compared to 9% of patients who did not develop the syndrome. The ARDS patients had an average age of 61, compared to an average age of 49 for those who did not develop ARDS. Elderly patients “were more likely to develop ARDS,” the researchers wrote, suggesting how age can make Covid-19 more severe and even fatal: age increases the risk that the respiratory system will basically shut down under viral assault." The vast majority will get mild sysmptoms but the emerging data not suprisngly showes the older you are the mortatlity rates rises due to over 60's been more likley to developed acute respiratory distress syndrome (ARDS) , equally if you have an impaired immune system from MS (prevelance rate in the uk 100,000), Cancer, and( Diabetes prevelance rates four million) yopu will be more at risk of complications .
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Post by Minormorris64 on Mar 3, 2020 17:48:52 GMT 1
What?!!!!! Another winter break!!!!? The poor loves need all the rest they can get ready for the lucrative summer tours. To ermmmmmmmmmmm, China..................
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Post by staffordshrew on Mar 3, 2020 18:56:27 GMT 1
"The age-related death risk probably reflects the strength, or weakness, of the respiratory system." Presumably smoking has an effect too? Isn't smoking quite prevalent in China?
Never too late to give up, until it's too late!
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Post by zenfootball2 on Mar 3, 2020 18:59:57 GMT 1
"The age-related death risk probably reflects the strength, or weakness, of the respiratory system." Presumably smoking has an effect too? Isn't smoking quite prevalent in China? Never too late to give up, until it's too late! "Cigarettes contain carbon monoxide, which reduces the amount of oxygen available in your body as it binds to the haemoglobin in your red blood cells, preventing oxygen from doing so" so an elderly heavy smoker is a risk factor in developing acute respiratory distress syndrome (ARDS),
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Post by staffordshrew on Mar 3, 2020 19:04:11 GMT 1
so an elderly heavy smoker - better get his affairs in order?
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Post by Chief Inspector Swan on Mar 3, 2020 19:07:01 GMT 1
Do people think this particular Coronavirus is fact or fiction? The infowars crowd on here for one think it’s the latter.
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Post by staffordshrew on Mar 3, 2020 19:14:57 GMT 1
Do people think this particular Coronavirus is fact or fiction? The infowars crowd on here for one think it’s the latter. You are our crusader for truth and justice, what does the evidence indicate to you?
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Post by Chief Inspector Swan on Mar 3, 2020 19:30:34 GMT 1
Do people think this particular Coronavirus is fact or fiction? The infowars crowd on here for one think it’s the latter. You are our crusader for truth and justice, what does the evidence indicate to you? Fact, albeit somewhat overblown (touch wood).
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Post by venceremos on Mar 3, 2020 19:57:29 GMT 1
You are our crusader for truth and justice, what does the evidence indicate to you? Fact, albeit somewhat overblown (touch wood). Everything's overblown until the worst happens - and sometimes the worst does happen.
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Post by venceremos on Mar 3, 2020 19:59:12 GMT 1
Do people think this particular Coronavirus is fact or fiction? The infowars crowd on here for one think it’s the latter. That crowd usually finds a tax angle on which to hoist its conspiracy fears, as with climate change. Have they concocted one this time or have they dreamt up a new story?
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