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Post by Pilch on Mar 6, 2020 16:10:12 GMT 1
hundreds a day , every day , die in the uk from smoking, and dont forget, if you smoke you can never become a non smoker, you are a smoker for life I gave up smoking 34 years ago so I'm definitely a non smoker. Best thing I've ever done. as far as im concerned you are still a smoker Peter Sutcliffe hasn't killed for 40 years hes still a killer I'll get my coat
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Post by Deleted on Mar 6, 2020 17:13:50 GMT 1
I gave up smoking 34 years ago so I'm definitely a non smoker. Best thing I've ever done. as far as im concerned you are still a smoker Peter Sutcliffe hasn't killed for 40 years hes still a killer I'll get my coat I think you need to do more than get your coat to be honest. Please try and explain to me (and others) what on earth you meant by the above?
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Post by shrewder on Mar 6, 2020 17:25:43 GMT 1
as far as im concerned you are still a smoker Peter Sutcliffe hasn't killed for 40 years hes still a killer I'll get my coat I think you need to do more than get your coat to be honest. Please try and explain to me (and others) what on earth you mean by the above? Agree, must go down as arguably the most weird statement posted on here. For the record it is always said once a smoker has stopped smoking for 12 years then in general they have the same life expectancy as a life long none smoker. There are exceptions but they are certainly not I the same category as a smoker.
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Post by Red Rose In Exile on Mar 6, 2020 17:47:30 GMT 1
I gave up smoking 34 years ago so I'm definitely a non smoker. Best thing I've ever done. as far as im concerned you are still a smoker Peter Sutcliffe hasn't killed for 40 years hes still a killer I'll get my coat www.nhs.uk/smokefree/why-quit/what-happens-when-you-quitFor the record I did 40 a day. Last cigarette on National No Smoking Day 1985. Case Rested.
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Post by Pilch on Mar 6, 2020 18:43:24 GMT 1
can you catch corona from someone vaping ?
some are like a steam train
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Post by zenfootball2 on Mar 6, 2020 18:55:37 GMT 1
giving up smoking is very difficult so well done for managing to stop and keeping it up
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Post by zenfootball2 on Mar 6, 2020 21:10:53 GMT 1
" Dr Hatchett said: 'I've been working on epidemic preparedness for about 20 years and completely dispassionately without elevating the temperature or speaking hyperbolically. This is the most frightening disease I've ever encountered in my career, and that includes Ebola, it includes MERS and it includes SARS." from the mail on line
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Post by shrewinjapan on Mar 6, 2020 22:39:55 GMT 1
I read last night that Japan is paying $80 a day to parents to stay home and look after their children following the closure of schools. Sobering "worst case" prospect that up to 20% of the UK workforce could be off sick when the Covid-19 virus peaks. That's nearly 6.5m people. Most of those won't be in the most vulnerable groups as far as mortality is concerned but, even allowing for that, thousands of deaths amongst the working population could be expected to result. With the death rate likely to be higher amongst other groups, that's a chilling possibility. Let's hope the international effort to contain it succeeds. National efforts alone aren't enough - as I read an epidemiologist quoted yesterday, "we're only as safe as the least safe place". It's 8000 yen per day, which is around £60. And it is not being paid to parents but to compensate companies whose staff have to stay home with kids.
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Post by venceremos on Mar 6, 2020 22:57:48 GMT 1
I read last night that Japan is paying $80 a day to parents to stay home and look after their children following the closure of schools. Sobering "worst case" prospect that up to 20% of the UK workforce could be off sick when the Covid-19 virus peaks. That's nearly 6.5m people. Most of those won't be in the most vulnerable groups as far as mortality is concerned but, even allowing for that, thousands of deaths amongst the working population could be expected to result. With the death rate likely to be higher amongst other groups, that's a chilling possibility. Let's hope the international effort to contain it succeeds. National efforts alone aren't enough - as I read an epidemiologist quoted yesterday, "we're only as safe as the least safe place". It's 8000 yen per day, which is around £60. And it is not being paid to parents but to compensate companies whose staff have to stay home with kids. Ha, so much for the press!
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Post by venceremos on Mar 6, 2020 23:01:55 GMT 1
Hang on, it was 50,000 over 70s dying from winter flu further up this thread. The perspective’s gone out of focus!
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Post by SeanBroseley on Mar 6, 2020 23:30:57 GMT 1
The mortality rate is about 3.5% The flu virus is less than 1%. I still find it odd that young children are not disproportionately affected but that is what the data says. So if 6.5 million people get ill with it that is in the region of 230,000 fatalities. So this is why its spread needs to be reduced because the fatality numbers involved are potentially big.
Currently the number of cases doubles every six days. Given the mortality rate we get to 100,000 deaths worldwide sometime early April (I think).
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Post by Pilch on Mar 6, 2020 23:36:31 GMT 1
here's some dos and donts from an expert
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Post by Deleted on Mar 6, 2020 23:52:58 GMT 1
here's some dos and donts from an expert Thank God nobody asked her for advice on the purchase of toilet rolls .
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Post by Chief Inspector Swan on Mar 7, 2020 0:51:07 GMT 1
here's some dos and donts from an expert Thank God nobody asked her for advice on the purchase of toilet rolls . Please don’t use the Lord’s name in vain. This is a message board, not a bordello house.
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Post by zenfootball2 on Mar 7, 2020 1:04:36 GMT 1
The mortality rate is about 3.5% The flu virus is less than 1%. I still find it odd that young children are not disproportionately affected but that is what the data says. So if 6.5 million people get ill with it that is in the region of 230,000 fatalities. So this is why its spread needs to be reduced because the fatality numbers involved are potentially big. Currently the number of cases doubles every six days. Given the mortality rate we get to 100,000 deaths worldwide sometime early April (I think). from the mail online "By forcing the lung cells of the infected person to replicate its RNA, Covid-19 disrupts normal respiratory functioning. This includes the constant waving motion of cilia: tiny hair-like projections in the lungs which sweep out mucus and dirt or particles that have been breathed in from the air around us. With this vital defence mechanism impaired, the lungs are more vulnerable to potentially deadly infections like pneumonia. We know that our immune systems are strongest when we are younger, so it is not surprising that children appear to be the least vulnerable to developing the worst symptoms of coronavirus. The opposite is true of elderly people, especially if their lung function is already compromised – for example, by life-long smoking or conditions like COPD (chronic obstructive pulmonary disease)." for the eldery the virus can cause Acute respiratory distress syndrome (ARDS) is a life-threatening condition where the lungs can't provide the body's vital organs with enough oxygen. ... ARDS occurs when the lungs become severely inflamed due to an infection or injury. this is why the mortality rate is higher in the elderly or people with an impaired immune system.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 7, 2020 10:37:35 GMT 1
Just seen that mentioned on the BBC. Why the over 70s? You could also include younger people who have underlying medical conditions such as asthma and COPD. Playing games behind closed doors continues to be mentioned. I wonder if this will include all the football league? Containing the virus has to be the priority but such a step is going to hit clubs hard financially. Will clubs get financial help if this happens?
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Post by northwestman on Mar 7, 2020 10:37:37 GMT 1
Here's a useful site indicating the number of individuals who have been identified as having the coronavirus. It is updated daily and is broken down into countries. www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/#countriesNote the little reported fact that over half have already recovered.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 7, 2020 10:41:00 GMT 1
Here's a useful site indicating the number of individuals who have been identified as having the coronavirus. It is updated daily and is broken down into countries. www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/#countriesNote the little reported fact that over half have already recovered. That's very interesting. I didn't realise the Diamond Princess had that many cases. Certainly the lesson is don't go on a cruise.
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Post by staffordshrew on Mar 7, 2020 10:44:45 GMT 1
Anyone over 70 should have more sense than to want to watch Premier League players poncing about.
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Post by northwestman on Mar 7, 2020 10:57:03 GMT 1
Anyone over 70 should have more sense than to want to watch Premier League players poncing about. EFL might pick up on this idea!
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Post by staffordshrew on Mar 7, 2020 11:34:57 GMT 1
Anyone over 70 should have more sense than to want to watch Premier League players poncing about. EFL might pick up on this idea! You might, deep breath, have to go and watch Wrexham! Plenty of room to self-isolate in their crowd.
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Post by venceremos on Mar 7, 2020 12:08:23 GMT 1
The mortality rate is about 3.5% The flu virus is less than 1%. I still find it odd that young children are not disproportionately affected but that is what the data says. So if 6.5 million people get ill with it that is in the region of 230,000 fatalities. So this is why its spread needs to be reduced because the fatality numbers involved are potentially big. Currently the number of cases doubles every six days. Given the mortality rate we get to 100,000 deaths worldwide sometime early April (I think). The head of Public Health England said that 3.5% figure isn't a mortality rate, it's simply the number of reported cases divided by the number of fatalities. Mortality rate modelling requires a calculation to be made of mild, unreported cases as well. He maintains that current modelling still shows 1% to be the upper end of the likely mortality rate. Still a huge cause for concern (and action) but substantially lower than 3.5%.
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Post by callum on Mar 7, 2020 12:37:29 GMT 1
Where will this leave Roy Hodgson if the ban comes in!! Isn't he 70?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 7, 2020 13:14:36 GMT 1
The mortality rate is about 3.5% The flu virus is less than 1%. I still find it odd that young children are not disproportionately affected but that is what the data says. So if 6.5 million people get ill with it that is in the region of 230,000 fatalities. So this is why its spread needs to be reduced because the fatality numbers involved are potentially big. Currently the number of cases doubles every six days. Given the mortality rate we get to 100,000 deaths worldwide sometime early April (I think). The head of Public Health England said that 3.5% figure isn't a mortality rate, it's simply the number of reported cases divided by the number of fatalities. Mortality rate modelling requires a calculation to be made of mild, unreported cases as well. He maintains that current modelling still shows 1% to be the upper end of the likely mortality rate. Still a huge cause for concern (and action) but substantially lower than 3.5%. This is how I understand it too. Still, we need a crisis in the news to deflect from what's going on, etc, etc.
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Post by shrewinjapan on Mar 7, 2020 15:52:38 GMT 1
The mortality rate is about 3.5% The flu virus is less than 1%. I still find it odd that young children are not disproportionately affected but that is what the data says. So if 6.5 million people get ill with it that is in the region of 230,000 fatalities. So this is why its spread needs to be reduced because the fatality numbers involved are potentially big. Currently the number of cases doubles every six days. Given the mortality rate we get to 100,000 deaths worldwide sometime early April (I think). The head of Public Health England said that 3.5% figure isn't a mortality rate, it's simply the number of reported cases divided by the number of fatalities. Mortality rate modelling requires a calculation to be made of mild, unreported cases as well. He maintains that current modelling still shows 1% to be the upper end of the likely mortality rate. Still a huge cause for concern (and action) but substantially lower than 3.5%. Even at 1 to 2%, that is still around 10 to 20 times higher than flu, which already kills many. And with it being a new infection to everybody with no current vaccine, if it does become pandemic then infection rates are likely to be high. Just think, if it infected 50% of the world's population at a 1% mortality rate, that means 0.5% of all people would die. That's about 40 million people. This is why everything possible should be done to slow it down, in the hope that a vaccine or at least effective remedies for those with severe symptoms can be developed.
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Post by venceremos on Mar 7, 2020 19:35:18 GMT 1
The head of Public Health England said that 3.5% figure isn't a mortality rate, it's simply the number of reported cases divided by the number of fatalities. Mortality rate modelling requires a calculation to be made of mild, unreported cases as well. He maintains that current modelling still shows 1% to be the upper end of the likely mortality rate. Still a huge cause for concern (and action) but substantially lower than 3.5%. Even at 1 to 2%, that is still around 10 to 20 times higher than flu, which already kills many. And with it being a new infection to everybody with no current vaccine, if it does become pandemic then infection rates are likely to be high. Just think, if it infected 50% of the world's population at a 1% mortality rate, that means 0.5% of all people would die. That's about 40 million people. This is why everything possible should be done to slow it down, in the hope that a vaccine or at least effective remedies for those with severe symptoms can be developed. Quite agree. It’s important not to make the projections even worse though.
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Post by GrizzlyShrew on Mar 7, 2020 20:45:39 GMT 1
Read the following today. Seems to put things in a much better perspective, just wish folks would take it on board rather than the mass media overhype.
"I'm a doctor and an Infectious Diseases Specialist. I've been at this for more than 20 years seeing sick patients on a daily basis. I have worked in inner city hospitals and in the poorest slums of Africa. HIV-AIDS, Hepatitis,TB, SARS, Measles, Shingles, Whooping cough, Diphtheria...there is little I haven't been exposed to in my profession. And with notable exception of SARS, very little has left me feeling vulnerable, overwhelmed or downright scared.
I am not scared of Covid-19. I am concerned about the implications of a novel infectious agent that has spread the world over and continues to find new footholds in different soil. I am rightly concerned for the welfare of those who are elderly, in frail health or disenfranchised who stand to suffer mostly, and disproportionately, at the hands of this new scourge. But I am not scared of Covid-19.
What I am scared about is the loss of reason and wave of fear that has induced the masses of society into a spellbinding spiral of panic, stockpiling obscene quantities of anything that could fill a bomb shelter adequately in a post-apocalyptic world. I am scared of the N95 masks that are stolen from hospitals and urgent care clinics where they are actually needed for front line healthcare providers and instead are being donned in airports, malls, and coffee lounges, perpetuating even more fear and suspicion of others. I am scared that our hospitals will be overwhelmed with anyone who thinks they " probably don't have it but may as well get checked out no matter what because you just never know..." and those with heart failure, emphysema, pneumonia and strokes will pay the price for overfilled ER waiting rooms with only so many doctors and nurses to assess.
I am scared that travel restrictions will become so far reaching that weddings will be canceled, graduations missed and family reunions will not materialize. And well, even that big party called the Olympic Games...that could be kyboshed too. Can you even imagine?
I'm scared those same epidemic fears will limit trade, harm partnerships in multiple sectors, business and otherwise and ultimately culminate in a global recession.
But mostly, I'm scared about what message we are telling our kids when faced with a threat. Instead of reason, rationality, openmindedness and altruism, we are telling them to panic, be fearful, suspicious, reactionary and self-interested.
Covid-19 is nowhere near over. It will be coming to a city, a hospital, a friend, even a family member near you at some point. Expect it. Stop waiting to be surprised further. The fact is the virus itself will not likely do much harm when it arrives. But our own behaviors and "fight for yourself above all else" attitude could prove disastrous.
I implore you all. Temper fear with reason, panic with patience and uncertainty with education. We have an opportunity to learn a great deal about health hygiene and limiting the spread of innumerable transmissible diseases in our society. Let's meet this challenge together in the best spirit of compassion for others, patience, and above all, an unfailing effort to seek truth, facts and knowledge as opposed to conjecture, speculation and catastrophizing.
Facts not fear. Clean hands. Open hearts. Our children will thank us for it."
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Post by staffordshrew on Mar 7, 2020 22:07:51 GMT 1
Imagine the panic if the Ebola virus took hold here. Actually, I think I would rather not!
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Post by shrewinjapan on Mar 7, 2020 22:56:38 GMT 1
Read the following today. Seems to put things in a much better perspective, just wish folks would take it on board rather than the mass media overhype. "I'm a doctor and an Infectious Diseases Specialist. I've been at this for more than 20 years seeing sick patients on a daily basis. I have worked in inner city hospitals and in the poorest slums of Africa. HIV-AIDS, Hepatitis,TB, SARS, Measles, Shingles, Whooping cough, Diphtheria...there is little I haven't been exposed to in my profession. And with notable exception of SARS, very little has left me feeling vulnerable, overwhelmed or downright scared. I am not scared of Covid-19. I am concerned about the implications of a novel infectious agent that has spread the world over and continues to find new footholds in different soil. I am rightly concerned for the welfare of those who are elderly, in frail health or disenfranchised who stand to suffer mostly, and disproportionately, at the hands of this new scourge. But I am not scared of Covid-19. What I am scared about is the loss of reason and wave of fear that has induced the masses of society into a spellbinding spiral of panic, stockpiling obscene quantities of anything that could fill a bomb shelter adequately in a post-apocalyptic world. I am scared of the N95 masks that are stolen from hospitals and urgent care clinics where they are actually needed for front line healthcare providers and instead are being donned in airports, malls, and coffee lounges, perpetuating even more fear and suspicion of others. I am scared that our hospitals will be overwhelmed with anyone who thinks they " probably don't have it but may as well get checked out no matter what because you just never know..." and those with heart failure, emphysema, pneumonia and strokes will pay the price for overfilled ER waiting rooms with only so many doctors and nurses to assess. I am scared that travel restrictions will become so far reaching that weddings will be canceled, graduations missed and family reunions will not materialize. And well, even that big party called the Olympic Games...that could be kyboshed too. Can you even imagine? I'm scared those same epidemic fears will limit trade, harm partnerships in multiple sectors, business and otherwise and ultimately culminate in a global recession. But mostly, I'm scared about what message we are telling our kids when faced with a threat. Instead of reason, rationality, openmindedness and altruism, we are telling them to panic, be fearful, suspicious, reactionary and self-interested. Covid-19 is nowhere near over. It will be coming to a city, a hospital, a friend, even a family member near you at some point. Expect it. Stop waiting to be surprised further. The fact is the virus itself will not likely do much harm when it arrives. But our own behaviors and "fight for yourself above all else" attitude could prove disastrous. I implore you all. Temper fear with reason, panic with patience and uncertainty with education. We have an opportunity to learn a great deal about health hygiene and limiting the spread of innumerable transmissible diseases in our society. Let's meet this challenge together in the best spirit of compassion for others, patience, and above all, an unfailing effort to seek truth, facts and knowledge as opposed to conjecture, speculation and catastrophizing. Facts not fear. Clean hands. Open hearts. Our children will thank us for it." Good to see that even doctors can't use the word reactionary appropriately
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