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Post by martinshrew on Jul 26, 2021 20:11:01 GMT 1
There are a few on here who are only 'happy' when the case numbers are rising. Good news isnt Good news for them. give it a rest, you are so wrong I for one have a dad who came within an inch of dying this year and still has serious after effects, all as a knock on effect from covid and I myself was one of the very few in the uk asked to shield, I did 60 hours last week in dangerous conditions due to the knock on effect of covid at work you think I'm enjoying this ? get real I'd love to wander around every pub in Yorkshire waving my facemask in the faces of others but I take enough risks on a daily basis as it is without the need to act like Donald trump Are you not happy that cases at least appear to be coming down then?
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Post by Pilch on Jul 26, 2021 20:34:04 GMT 1
give it a rest, you are so wrong I for one have a dad who came within an inch of dying this year and still has serious after effects, all as a knock on effect from covid and I myself was one of the very few in the uk asked to shield, I did 60 hours last week in dangerous conditions due to the knock on effect of covid at work you think I'm enjoying this ? get real I'd love to wander around every pub in Yorkshire waving my facemask in the faces of others but I take enough risks on a daily basis as it is without the need to act like Donald trump Are you not happy that cases at least appear to be coming down then? the way I see it, a few weeks ago they were under 1000 why are we celebrating 30,000 today ? as I've been saying, I think its too early to be excited, quite a few less were tested last week the clubs are open , and the young'uns are stalling in getting vaccinated I consider myself a realist, and I dont think we should be cheering just yet I think town will struggle this season, it doesnt mean I want them to lose though, I would kill for promotion
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Post by Valerioch on Jul 26, 2021 20:46:51 GMT 1
Are you not happy that cases at least appear to be coming down then? the way I see it, a few weeks ago they were under 1000 why are we celebrating 30,000 today ? as I've been saying, I think its too early to be excited, quite a few less were tested last week the clubs are open , and the young'uns are stalling in getting vaccinated I consider myself a realist, and I dont think we should be cheering just yet I think town will struggle this season, it doesnt mean I want them to lose though, I would kill for promotion If you think anyone is celebrating 30,000 cases a day you are completely misunderstanding I, and it seems others, are very pleased with the downward trend, which is totally different to celebrating the total case figure
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Post by Pilch on Jul 26, 2021 20:52:36 GMT 1
the way I see it, a few weeks ago they were under 1000 why are we celebrating 30,000 today ? as I've been saying, I think its too early to be excited, quite a few less were tested last week the clubs are open , and the young'uns are stalling in getting vaccinated I consider myself a realist, and I dont think we should be cheering just yet I think town will struggle this season, it doesnt mean I want them to lose though, I would kill for promotion If you think anyone is celebrating 30,000 cases a day you are completely misunderstanding I, and it seems others, are very pleased with the downward trend, which is totally different to celebrating the total case figure I was being sarcastic as many are totally ignoring the rising trend, deaths
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Post by Deleted on Jul 26, 2021 20:55:12 GMT 1
Are you not happy that cases at least appear to be coming down then? the way I see it, a few weeks ago they were under 1000 why are we celebrating 30,000 today ? as I've been saying, I think its too early to be excited, quite a few less were tested last week the clubs are open , and the young'uns are stalling in getting vaccinated I consider myself a realist, and I dont think we should be cheering just yet I think town will struggle this season, it doesnt mean I want them to lose though, I would kill for promotion I dont know what your definition of 'a few weeks ago' but two weeks ago (12th July) there were 34k cases reported, as far as I can see they have never been below 1,000 this year and the lowest was just under 2k at the beginning of May. The way I see it is there were 54k cases reported on 17th July, 9 days later we are reporting less than 25k, and that is why (some) people are happy.
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Post by Drew on Jul 26, 2021 20:56:33 GMT 1
The pandemic is over. Nothing to worry about now.
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Post by martinshrew on Jul 26, 2021 21:11:38 GMT 1
None of us think the pandemic is over or nothing to worry about, we're just pleased to see a 6th consecutive day of decreasing cases.
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Post by Valerioch on Jul 26, 2021 21:15:30 GMT 1
If you think anyone is celebrating 30,000 cases a day you are completely misunderstanding I, and it seems others, are very pleased with the downward trend, which is totally different to celebrating the total case figure I was being sarcastic as many are totally ignoring the rising trend, deaths Yesterday and today deaths are down for the respective day week on week I believe There’s also context to think of How many were stupid enough to turn down the jabs? Are these excess deaths on the long term UK average or not? Nothings as black and white as you’re trying to make out on this
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Post by Pilch on Jul 26, 2021 21:22:05 GMT 1
I was being sarcastic as many are totally ignoring the rising trend, deaths Yesterday and today deaths are down for the respective day week on week I believe what does that mean ? you have spent all week comparing the downward trend from this week to last week what were todays and yesterdays deaths compared to last sunday and Monday ?
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Post by Valerioch on Jul 26, 2021 21:27:30 GMT 1
Yesterday and today deaths are down for the respective day week on week I believe what does that mean ? you have spent all week comparing the downward trend from this week to last week what were todays and yesterdays deaths compared to last sunday and Monday ? Deaths today 14, last Monday 19 Not sure where to find yesterday’s easily but sure I saw it was lower than last Sunday when looking yesterday Look - they’re going to keep slowly increasing overall for a few weeks. We all know how it works now. Likewise this decrease in cases should see reduced deaths in 3 or 4 weeks fingers crossed
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Post by GrizzlyShrew on Jul 26, 2021 21:35:41 GMT 1
There are a few on here who are only 'happy' when the case numbers are rising. Good news isnt Good news for them. give it a rest, you are so wrong I for one have a dad who came within an inch of dying this year and still has serious after effects, all as a knock on effect from covid and I myself was one of the very few in the uk asked to shield, I did 60 hours last week in dangerous conditions due to the knock on effect of covid at work you think I'm enjoying this ? get real I'd love to wander around every pub in Yorkshire waving my facemask in the faces of others but I take enough risks on a daily basis as it is without the need to act like Donald trump I knew I could guarantee just who would rise to this one - hook, line and sinker 😇
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Post by Feedo Gnasher on Jul 26, 2021 21:42:07 GMT 1
‘Celebrating’ case numbers falling is the same as ‘celebrating’ death numbers falling, just by those who have sussed out how this works from the last 15 months…
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Post by Pilch on Jul 26, 2021 21:45:19 GMT 1
give it a rest, you are so wrong I for one have a dad who came within an inch of dying this year and still has serious after effects, all as a knock on effect from covid and I myself was one of the very few in the uk asked to shield, I did 60 hours last week in dangerous conditions due to the knock on effect of covid at work you think I'm enjoying this ? get real I'd love to wander around every pub in Yorkshire waving my facemask in the faces of others but I take enough risks on a daily basis as it is without the need to act like Donald trump I knew I could guarantee just who would rise to this one - hook, line and sinker 😇 oh jokes back on the menu are they ? you were at the front of the queue crying for a mod yesterday , offended by a joke about joey barton out of interest do you take both your facemasks off now ?
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Post by Valerioch on Jul 26, 2021 22:02:07 GMT 1
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Post by Pilch on Jul 26, 2021 22:21:21 GMT 1
especially when we are not counting re-infections
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Post by Valerioch on Jul 26, 2021 22:30:19 GMT 1
especially when we are not counting re-infections Exactly, Peston had his wooden spoon out yesterday but soon admitted today it’s c0.5% of the total, so very small. Downright dangerous abuse of his position in my opinion, as people just see the headline, not the facts. The data is ridden with inaccuracies, for cases, hospitalisations and deaths.
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Post by The Shropshire Tenor on Jul 26, 2021 22:37:05 GMT 1
We should remember that this is a new virus and we are in the very early stages of learning about it. It’s anyone’s guess whether it can be controlled by vaccine or whether it will continually mutate.
Any predictions are pure guesswork and looking at short term trends may not be helpful. We are engaged in a giant experiment which is going well so far. I’m desperately hoping it will continue to go well once the winter arrives and we are socialising inside and having to cope with the usual seasonal illnesses as well as covid.
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Post by neilsalop on Jul 27, 2021 7:24:50 GMT 1
In Indonesia around 15% of of infections are in under 18s and over 600 child deaths have been caused by Covid. They have given over 62m jabs, but only around 7% of the population are fully vaccinated. They are running at 81% of their peak infection rate.
As I have droned on about since the start of the vaccine roll-out we need to get the whole bloody world vaccinated, before somewhere a resistant strain emerges or even worse one that starts killing millions of children and young adults. I know Johnson doesn't care about the over 80s dying of Covid and sadly I think that there is a small proportion of the population that concur, but when people start seeing their children die that will be a different matter.
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Post by armchairfan on Jul 27, 2021 9:39:45 GMT 1
In Indonesia around 15% of of infections are in under 18s and over 600 child deaths have been caused by Covid. They have given over 62m jabs, but only around 7% of the population are fully vaccinated. They are running at 81% of their peak infection rate.
As I have droned on about since the start of the vaccine roll-out we need to get the whole bloody world vaccinated, before somewhere a resistant strain emerges or even worse one that starts killing millions of children and young adults. I know Johnson doesn't care about the over 80s dying of Covid and sadly I think that there is a small proportion of the population that concur, but when people start seeing their children die that will be a different matter.
I do entirely agree that you have been " droning on" for some time now, but that does not necessarily mean that the sound of that droning imparts any great insights, merely a profound irritation for many of us, and imparts little of value. insightful. I am surprised that you can state with such certainty that Boris Johnson " doesn’t care" about the deaths of the over 80s, unless you know his mind; you are of course entitled to speculate that, by his actions, he feels that way, but , as you are perfectly aware, speculation is not knowledge at all. As to your comment that we need to get "the whole bloody world vaccinated in case something far worse emerges, that is a fanciful and thoroughly impractical notion, impossible to achieve, and to divrt time money and resources to an unachievable goal strikes me as a fool's errand at best, and a display of overwhelming hubris at worst. You are clearly not a fool, but comments of this sort do you no favours.
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Post by staffordshrew on Jul 27, 2021 10:01:50 GMT 1
In Indonesia around 15% of of infections are in under 18s and over 600 child deaths have been caused by Covid. They have given over 62m jabs, but only around 7% of the population are fully vaccinated. They are running at 81% of their peak infection rate. As I have droned on about since the start of the vaccine roll-out we need to get the whole bloody world vaccinated, before somewhere a resistant strain emerges or even worse one that starts killing millions of children and young adults. I know Johnson doesn't care about the over 80s dying of Covid and sadly I think that there is a small proportion of the population that concur, but when people start seeing their children die that will be a different matter.
I do entirely agree that you have been " droning on" for some time now, but that does not necessarily mean that the sound of that droning imparts any great insights, merely a profound irritation for many of us, and imparts little of value. insightful. I am surprised that you can state with such certainty that Boris Johnson " doesn’t care" about the deaths of the over 80s, unless you know his mind; you are of course entitled to speculate that, by his actions, he feels that way, but , as you are perfectly aware, speculation is not knowledge at all. As to your comment that we need to get "the whole bloody world vaccinated in case something far worse emerges, that is a fanciful and thoroughly impractical notion, impossible to achieve, and to divrt time money and resources to an unachievable goal strikes me as a fool's errand at best, and a display of overwhelming hubris at worst. You are clearly not a fool, but comments of this sort do you no favours. No "lol" at the end of the insult, that's unusual for you. Facts remain that Coronavirus isn't beaten until it's beaten all around the world. We went through all that with Smallpox, etc. With regard to the over 80's, the fact that positive cases were shipped back to care homes and that the virus raged through care homes does no credit to our government.
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Post by armchairfan on Jul 27, 2021 10:42:27 GMT 1
I do entirely agree that you have been " droning on" for some time now, but that does not necessarily mean that the sound of that droning imparts any great insights, merely a profound irritation for many of us, and imparts little of value. insightful. I am surprised that you can state with such certainty that Boris Johnson " doesn’t care" about the deaths of the over 80s, unless you know his mind; you are of course entitled to speculate that, by his actions, he feels that way, but , as you are perfectly aware, speculation is not knowledge at all. As to your comment that we need to get "the whole bloody world vaccinated in case something far worse emerges, that is a fanciful and thoroughly impractical notion, impossible to achieve, and to divrt time money and resources to an unachievable goal strikes me as a fool's errand at best, and a display of overwhelming hubris at worst. You are clearly not a fool, but comments of this sort do you no favours. No "lol" at the end of the insult, that's unusual for you. Facts remain that Coronavirus isn't beaten until it's beaten all around the world. We went through all that with Smallpox, etc. With regard to the over 80's, the fact that positive cases were shipped back to care homes and that the virus raged through care homes does no credit to our government. What "insult" was that, specifically? Since when has it been an insult to disagree with someone's opinion? No insult intended nor given! Your second paragraph, however,probably represents a return to realism, and I find, there being a world of difference between the universal vaccination which you originally proposed, and the beating "all over the world" which you now advance....smallpox malaria and polio are to all intents and purpose, thus beaten, but there is no universal vaccination, and in any event, there are still occasional outbreaks, I believe. That is the practical reality, and the best - or least bad - situation for which we can aim.
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Post by martinshrew on Jul 27, 2021 11:01:58 GMT 1
Only 44% of patients in England who are classed as being hospitalised with COVID actually tested positive ahead of admission, leaked NHS data reportedly shows.
This suggests significant numbers are being considered hospitalised by COVID when they initially arrived with other conditions, the Daily Telegraph reports.
The majority of cases were not detected until patients underwent virus testing carried out on everyone admitted to hospitals in England for any reason.
Some 56% of COVID hospital admissions fell into this category, according to the data.
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Post by The Shropshire Tenor on Jul 27, 2021 11:10:22 GMT 1
When was malaria ‘beaten’? There’s no approved vaccine and it’s controlled by sleeping under nets and spraying mosquito breeding sites.
Polio and smallpox have been eradicated by global vaccination which I take to be Neil’s point.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 27, 2021 11:29:44 GMT 1
In Indonesia around 15% of of infections are in under 18s and over 600 child deaths have been caused by Covid. They have given over 62m jabs, but only around 7% of the population are fully vaccinated. They are running at 81% of their peak infection rate.
As I have droned on about since the start of the vaccine roll-out we need to get the whole bloody world vaccinated, before somewhere a resistant strain emerges or even worse one that starts killing millions of children and young adults. I know Johnson doesn't care about the over 80s dying of Covid and sadly I think that there is a small proportion of the population that concur, but when people start seeing their children die that will be a different matter.
I do entirely agree that you have been " droning on" for some time now, but that does not necessarily mean that the sound of that droning imparts any great insights, merely a profound irritation for many of us, and imparts little of value. insightful. I am surprised that you can state with such certainty that Boris Johnson " doesn’t care" about the deaths of the over 80s, unless you know his mind; you are of course entitled to speculate that, by his actions, he feels that way, but , as you are perfectly aware, speculation is not knowledge at all. As to your comment that we need to get "the whole bloody world vaccinated in case something far worse emerges, that is a fanciful and thoroughly impractical notion, impossible to achieve, and to divrt time money and resources to an unachievable goal strikes me as a fool's errand at best, and a display of overwhelming hubris at worst. You are clearly not a fool, but comments of this sort do you no favours. I was under the impression that there was concrete proof that Johnson didn't care about deaths of over 80s, or words to that effect, as the offending Email had been published by you know who.
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Post by armchairfan on Jul 27, 2021 11:35:14 GMT 1
When was malaria ‘beaten’? There’s no approved vaccine and it’s controlled by sleeping under nets and spraying mosquito breeding sites. Polio and smallpox have been eradicated by global vaccination which I take to be Neil’s point. I suppose it depends both how one defines "beaten" and the means employed to reach that situation, but generally, I take the point, but not the suggestion of 100% worldwide vaccination.
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Post by northwestman on Jul 27, 2021 12:19:06 GMT 1
www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2021/jul/27/uk-two-tier-health-system-private-healthcare-nhs-waiting-listsThe pandemic has driven both the NHS and a growing number of its patients towards private healthcare. Heightened awareness of the health service’s frailties, fuelled by repeated warnings that it could be overwhelmed, has prompted a surge in private medical insurance. As the UK drifts into a possible future of two-tier healthcare, with the wealthy given more chances to skip the queue, we need to ask whether the founding principle of the UK’s health service – free at the point of need – is being eroded in front of our eyes.
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Post by staffordshrew on Jul 27, 2021 12:56:41 GMT 1
What with "Vaccine passports" and now this, which will probably spread through other companies, vaccination is pretty close to being compulsory.
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Post by martinshrew on Jul 27, 2021 16:28:11 GMT 1
"The UK has recorded 23,511 new COVID-19 cases and 131 more deaths in the latest 24-hour period, according to government data. It is the seventh day in a row that the number of infections has fallen.
But it is the highest number of daily deaths since 17 March, when 141 fatalities were reported.
Today's figures compare with 24,950 infections and 14 deaths reported yesterday, while 46,558 cases and 96 deaths were announced this time last week."
Cases halved on this time last week, deaths up a little as expected. Interesting numbers, is the third wave slowing down? I'd have said no a few days ago but 7 days of continued case drops makes me wonder.
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Post by welshshrew on Jul 27, 2021 18:36:38 GMT 1
121 deaths reported today in England. Hospital admissions still rising.
Thank god for the vaccine.
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Post by neilsalop on Jul 27, 2021 20:04:49 GMT 1
In Indonesia around 15% of of infections are in under 18s and over 600 child deaths have been caused by Covid. They have given over 62m jabs, but only around 7% of the population are fully vaccinated. They are running at 81% of their peak infection rate.
As I have droned on about since the start of the vaccine roll-out we need to get the whole bloody world vaccinated, before somewhere a resistant strain emerges or even worse one that starts killing millions of children and young adults. I know Johnson doesn't care about the over 80s dying of Covid and sadly I think that there is a small proportion of the population that concur, but when people start seeing their children die that will be a different matter.
I do entirely agree that you have been " droning on" for some time now, but that does not necessarily mean that the sound of that droning imparts any great insights, merely a profound irritation for many of us, and imparts little of value. insightful. I am surprised that you can state with such certainty that Boris Johnson " doesn’t care" about the deaths of the over 80s, unless you know his mind; you are of course entitled to speculate that, by his actions, he feels that way, but , as you are perfectly aware, speculation is not knowledge at all. As to your comment that we need to get "the whole bloody world vaccinated in case something far worse emerges, that is a fanciful and thoroughly impractical notion, impossible to achieve, and to divrt time money and resources to an unachievable goal strikes me as a fool's errand at best, and a display of overwhelming hubris at worst. You are clearly not a fool, but comments of this sort do you no favours. So far the three major variants of concern have been the Kent variant, the South African variant and the Indian variant. The Kent or Alpha variant is reported to be mutating again, the South African or Beta variant is said to be substantially resistant to the Moderna vaccine, the Indian or Delta variant has spread to all corners of the planet and is responsible for 99% of UK infections and is also said to be twice as transmittable as the original virus and now we have the Brazilian or Gamma variant and the Peruvian or Lambda variants to keep an eye on. That is 5 major mutations in less that 18 months, how long before it gets it's act together and mixes the transmissibility of the Delta variant and the vaccine resistance of the Beta variant?
Who is advocating the diverting of money and resources? Not me. I am calling for the vaccines to be made open source, so that poorer or less developed countries can produce their own doses rather than wait for the western nations to finish their roll-outs and hand over the scraps to those nations. Smallpox was rife throughout the world and the world came together and managed to get that eradicated, but that wasn't mutating every five minutes and causing more headaches for the vaccine producers to cope with. FYI the pharmaceutical companies are doing very nicely at the moment, because every jab puts money in their accounts and they are screwing the poorer countries over big time, the same dose that costs $13 in the US is being sold to the Colombian government for $30. When a resistant strain springs up in one of these poorer countries the vaccine you can bet that the vaccine suppliers will take no responsibility for it.
I'm sure you're aware of the quotes, emails and texts from Johnson, so I'll just assume that you think they're all fake news.
Finally I am delighted that my droning on is causing you profound irritation, it makes me all the more determined to keep it up
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