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Post by Stowmarket Shrew on Jan 27, 2020 1:56:49 GMT 1
Pen for Liverpool first half for hand ball against Ebanks-Landell?
Penalty downgraded to a free kick for being outside?
Whalley flagged offside when he won the header for Cummings' second?
Penalty for Town late on?
I think on balance we got the best of the decisions here but how different could things have been?!
Best 45 mins from a Town team I've ever seen. Back in Suffok now and still buzzing.
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Post by South Stand Salopian on Jan 27, 2020 2:05:38 GMT 1
We got the best of the decisions today.
It was Pierre that stuck his arm out and hand balled it, should’ve been a Liverpool penalty. Our penalty should’ve been a free kick as the contact was 2 inches outside the penalty area. I’ve watched the game back and wasn’t aware that Whalley was potentially offside for Cummings second.
Both penalty shouts were offside anyway, although the Fabinho hand ball shouldn’t have been but the ball did bounce onto his hand with his back to it so no penalty.
If Andre Mariner didn’t wake up ill it would’ve been totally different, we got lucky with the decisions Simon Hooper made.
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Post by Pilch on Jan 27, 2020 2:07:23 GMT 1
Pen for Liverpool first half for hand ball against Ebanks-Landell? Penalty downgraded to a free kick for being outside? Whalley flagged offside when he won the header for Cummings' second? Penalty for Town late on? I think on balance we got the best of the decisions here but how different could things have been?! Best 45 mins from a Town team I've ever seen. Back in Suffok now and still buzzing. so liverpool would have benefitted from VAR ? whats new ;-)
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Post by SamHarvey on Jan 27, 2020 8:43:44 GMT 1
We got the best of the decisions today. It was Pierre that stuck his arm out and hand balled it, should’ve been a Liverpool penalty. Our penalty should’ve been a free kick as the contact was 2 inches outside the penalty area. I’ve watched the game back and wasn’t aware that Whalley was potentially offside for Cummings second. Both penalty shouts were offside anyway, although the Fabinho hand ball shouldn’t have been but the ball did bounce onto his hand with his back to it so no penalty. If Andre Mariner didn’t wake up ill it would’ve been totally different, we got lucky with the decisions Simon Hooper made. Watched the game back and agree with all of this. Town very fortunate, but hey you need a bit of luck against the big clubs.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 27, 2020 8:48:40 GMT 1
If the free kick had been given instead of the penalty their player would have been sent off.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 27, 2020 9:18:42 GMT 1
Red was giving them everything, VAR is ruining the game anyway.
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Post by Feedo Gnasher on Jan 27, 2020 9:29:44 GMT 1
Watching it live you couldn’t argue massively with the key decisions although watching it back a lot went our way. Which shows how VAR changes the game really.
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Post by Pilch on Jan 27, 2020 9:54:51 GMT 1
I'm currently watching it
the early liverpool claim for a penalty for hand ball, was pretty much identical as the city claim for a pen at Anfield when it hits Trents arm, liverpool went up the other end and went 1-0 up
VAR said no handball
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Post by Feedo Gnasher on Jan 27, 2020 9:59:11 GMT 1
I'm currently watching it the early liverpool claim for a penalty for hand ball, was pretty much identical as the city claim for a pen at Anfield when it hits Trents arm, liverpool went up the other end and went 1-0 up VAR said no handball It was completely different Pilch and you know it The ball was deflected up onto TAA’s hand from the City player a yard away. That was similar to the Fabinho one yesterday which I agree was not a penalty. The Pierre one was a cross from a distance that he’s leaned into.
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Post by GrizzlyShrew on Jan 27, 2020 10:01:14 GMT 1
Isnt it just great that this game was totally back to the referees decision only just like it used to be.
Just feck VAR off, its ruining the game full stop.
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Post by Pilch on Jan 27, 2020 10:04:48 GMT 1
I'm currently watching it the early liverpool claim for a penalty for hand ball, was pretty much identical as the city claim for a pen at Anfield when it hits Trents arm, liverpool went up the other end and went 1-0 up VAR said no handball It was completely different Pilch and you know it The ball was deflected up onto TAA’s hand from the City player a yard away. That was similar to the Fabinho one yesterday which I agree was not a penalty. The Pierre one was a cross from a distance that he’s leaned into. you sound like Klopp now and just as upset ;-)
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Post by Feedo Gnasher on Jan 27, 2020 10:06:21 GMT 1
It was completely different Pilch and you know it The ball was deflected up onto TAA’s hand from the City player a yard away. That was similar to the Fabinho one yesterday which I agree was not a penalty. The Pierre one was a cross from a distance that he’s leaned into. you sound like Klopp now and just as upset ;-) Unlike Klopp I will be attending the replay
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Post by Pilch on Jan 27, 2020 10:24:04 GMT 1
you sound like Klopp now and just as upset ;-) Unlike Klopp I will be attending the replay who will you be supporting though ? bearing in mind you have admitted in the past missing town games to stay at home and watch Liverpool on tv ;-)
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Post by shrewdshrewssupporter on Jan 27, 2020 10:25:56 GMT 1
From my angle in the west stand, there appeared to be another Fabinho hand ball in the first half which could easily have been a penalty.
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Post by Feedo Gnasher on Jan 27, 2020 10:30:57 GMT 1
Unlike Klopp I will be attending the replay who will you be supporting though ? bearing in mind you have admitted in the past missing town games to stay at home and watch Liverpool on tv ;-) Unless it was the Crap-a-Trade (in which case I would have even skipped it for Bake Off) I highly doubt that, but I know you always have an old post ready and waiting to prove a point. I’ll be in the Lower Anfield Road stand, despite the fact it’s the worst facilities and view of all the stands at Anfield. I should know, I’ve sat in them all
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Post by Pilch on Jan 27, 2020 10:35:35 GMT 1
who will you be supporting though ? bearing in mind you have admitted in the past missing town games to stay at home and watch Liverpool on tv ;-) Unless it was the cr@p-a-Trade (in which case I would have even skipped it for Bake Off) I highly doubt that, but I know you always have an old post ready and waiting to prove a point. I’ll be in the Lower Anfield Road stand, despite the fact it’s the worst facilities and view of all the stands at Anfield. I should know, I’ve sat in them all I've never been to Scamfield or any premier game for that matter nearest I managed was Chelsea v Newcastle last season with scooter on the way back from the Pompey town game, and Everton v Dagenham when town had a free week, and wolves Swansea, again no game for town
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Post by northwestman on Jan 27, 2020 10:42:09 GMT 1
And the bad news is that VAR will be in operation for the replay.
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Post by Stowmarket Shrew on Jan 27, 2020 10:51:51 GMT 1
I've watched the var debacle with amusement so far, but this has really hit home. The mental in the safe standing after we equalised was indescribable. Genuinely one of the best moments of my life and easily one of the greatest moments in 31 years watching Town.
I can't even begin to imagine what it would be like having that called back and then having to wait 2 or 3 or more minutes for a decision.
I agree with the principle of var but unless they find a way to make it work more fluidily I'm not sure the benefits outweigh the negatives.
Here's hoping we muller their kids next week and it won't matter.
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Post by ssshrew on Jan 27, 2020 11:03:42 GMT 1
If we’d had var I reckon I would just about have got home. The only thing needed is goal line technology. The rest is what the game is made of - skill, chance, and human error.
To be honest I’m right cheesed off this morning with Mr Klopp and his views on the replay. All he is doing is blaming the authorities and a winter break for the fact he couldn’t be bothered to play his first team yesterday and get the tie out of the way. Well tough.
That’s not to say the authorities have these great ideas (if they are great) without thinking them through. I guess they and nearly everyone else expect only Premier clubs to be through by this stage. The only losers will be us, financially, if he is allowed to only play his youth team.
The authorities have allowed all competitions to be devalued. They have altered format of the lower league cup to suit the Premier League, they have devalued the FA cup and have now introduced a softies winter break. I have been wondering this morning what proper, tough, old fashioned managers like Bill Shankley and Brian Clough would have made of it all.
If Klopp and his players don’t like playing in England then they can b.... off as far as I am concerned.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 27, 2020 11:13:08 GMT 1
If we’d had var I reckon I would just about have got home. The only thing needed is goal line technology. The rest is what the game is made of - skill, chance, and human error. To be honest I’m right cheesed off this morning with Mr Klopp and his views on the replay. All he is doing is blaming the authorities and a winter break for the fact he couldn’t be bothered to play his first team yesterday and get the tie out of the way. Well tough. That’s not to say the authorities have these great ideas (if they are great) without thinking them through. I guess they and nearly everyone else expect only Premier clubs to be through by this stage. The only losers will be us, financially, if he is allowed to only play his youth team. The authorities have allowed all competitions to be devalued. They have altered format of the lower league cup to suit the Premier League, they have devalued the FA cup and have now introduced a softies winter break. I have been wondering this morning what proper, tough, old fashioned managers like Bill Shankley and Brian Clough would have made of it all. If Klopp and his players don’t like playing in England then they can b.... off as far as I am concerned. The issue is when the F.A. sent a request to all Premier league clubs to ask them not to play any friendly's nor any internationals during the period of the winter break in April 2019. It now seems they want to go back on that, what if Liverpool had a friendly in that period would they have got fined? Disrespecting the cup has gone on for years, i can see some rule that says they have to play "x" amount of players that have 10 games + in the premier league, that would sort them out.
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Post by ssshrew on Jan 27, 2020 11:19:50 GMT 1
But our match isn’t a friendly or an international if we want to take that letter literally. Well I won’t be friendly to start with!!!
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Post by Pilch on Jan 27, 2020 11:27:59 GMT 1
If the free kick had been given instead of the penalty their player would have been sent off. he should have gone anyway, I was fuming at the time tell me the difference between the Fulham red card and Liverpools Attachments:
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Post by ssshrew on Jan 27, 2020 11:32:21 GMT 1
One ref had to send off the player from the ‘lower’ club and one didn’t.
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Post by Stowmarket Shrew on Jan 27, 2020 11:32:26 GMT 1
Yeah, if it's a foul then it's a red, regardless of whether it was in or out of the area.
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Post by Feedo Gnasher on Jan 27, 2020 11:53:12 GMT 1
There’s a ‘double jeopardy’ rule which means if a pen is given it should only be a yellow card if a genuine attempt to play the ball, which I’d suggest there was, he was just late. He was pretty crap all game to be honest, that left back, not sure he’d make our team.
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Post by davycrockett on Jan 27, 2020 11:55:29 GMT 1
Yeah, if it's a foul then it's a red, regardless of whether it was in or out of the area. What! You get a red just because it’s a foul? I thought they changed the rule / directive removing ‘double jeopardy’ allowing a ref issue a yellow even to the last man fouling in a goal scoring position when a penalty was awarded?
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Post by tvor on Jan 27, 2020 11:59:25 GMT 1
Yeah, if it's a foul then it's a red, regardless of whether it was in or out of the area. What! You get a red just because it’s a foul? I thought they changed the rule / directive removing ‘double jeopardy’ allowing a ref issue a yellow even to the last man fouling in a goal scoring position when a penalty was awarded? They did, in 2016. www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/36047575
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Post by Pilch on Jan 27, 2020 12:03:50 GMT 1
There’s a ‘double jeopardy’ rule which means if a pen is given it should only be a yellow card if a genuine attempt to play the ball, which I’d suggest there was, he was just late. He was pretty cr@p all game to be honest, that left back, not sure he’d make our team. you'll be suggesting Laurent should have been booked for diving next
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Post by Stowmarket Shrew on Jan 27, 2020 12:04:26 GMT 1
In that case I stand corrected - thought the ref had a decent game 😉
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Post by sheltonsalopian on Jan 27, 2020 12:14:26 GMT 1
Been firmly in support of VAR but there's been two instances that have changed my mind, I managed to snag the company season ticket to watch United vs Liverpool at Old Trafford and during each goal the players looked scared to celebrate in case VAR ruled it out. Kind of killed the atmosphere.
Now imagine it in the game last night and Cummings having to wait to celebrate to then be told Whalley was offisde by an inch, would've essentially killed the tie.
Now firmly in the scrap VAR camp, I want to be able to celebrate goals when they go on not wait for confirmation from another ref hundreds of miles away!
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