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Post by accordingtome on Jan 18, 2020 7:53:34 GMT 1
So everyone's happy with the identikit Lego meadow then?. With the wind howling through the corners .So if and when Stoke get promoted back to the prem it'll have been a waste if money when they sell out each week? .Part of the reason the Meadows half empty is because its a soul_less box with a cr@p infrastructure around it .and the difficulty trying to get tickets if you're not a S/T holder; don't start me on that.Could be managed so much better.I reckon vast majority of fans agree the matchday experience is dire What I don't get is why, if it's such a soulless place with such a dire matchday experience our gates have doubled since we moved from the Meadow? maybe the smell of stale p**s put people off? Just maybe the new stadium Buzz attracted quite a few new fans (possibly the ones who turned up for the Everton/Chelsea /Grimsby big games) and they decided to stay.Those who get tickets for the extra seats at "big games" should we decide to expand, may just decide to stay.
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Post by accordingtome on Jan 18, 2020 8:09:35 GMT 1
been to more Town games home and away than you I'll guarantee so no, not after my cup seat.Already got that actually.Just that I've always believed we missed a trick not filling in the corners at initial construction stage. As always when we get a big game with more than sell out potential the question crops up" are we gonna fill in the corners;temporary stands etc?. Wasn't me who brought the subject up this or any other time.It's obvious that you Pilch are happy to sit in silence in your sterile little world trying not to hear the banter from block 19 . No doubt filling in the corners might add to the acoustic value and spoil your enjoyment of the library whilst you're gathering stats to prove your theories that your view on every post on b/a is the right view .God how sad your life must be Thats quite a bold statement to come out with, what evidence is this based upon?? not sure of your age, but how many games have you been to? do you consider the conference season to be actually quite enjoyable for away games?? really enjoyed the conference season home and away.Did every game thank you, 5 up in car every time except the Crabble on a Sunday when only 2 of us could make it.twas my son who made the effort that day with me, who also now doesn't miss games. In fact it's grandparenting duties that stop me going to more away games now in order that my son can .Rest assured there'll be a new Town fan on board as soon as she's deemed old enough (or stupid enough) to carry on the trend
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Post by Exkeeper on Jan 18, 2020 8:25:08 GMT 1
What I don't get is why, if it's such a soulless place with such a dire matchday experience our gates have doubled since we moved from the Meadow? maybe the smell of stale p**s put people off? Just maybe the new stadium Buzz attracted quite a few new fans (possibly the ones who turned up for the Everton/Chelsea /Grimsby big games) and they decided to stay.Those who get tickets for the extra seats at "big games" should we decide to expand, may just decide to stay. I started going to the old Meadow in the mid 50s and remember Rowley being appointed. I have some brilliant memories of the place.. when I stopped playing, I became a regular home and away (I also did all the Conference games and all games ever since, bar one trip to Crawley). I much prefer the comfort of the new ground but Block 14 is more than close enough to 19 for me.
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Post by Pilch on Jan 18, 2020 11:05:57 GMT 1
Thats quite a bold statement to come out with, what evidence is this based upon?? not sure of your age, but how many games have you been to? do you consider the conference season to be actually quite enjoyable for away games?? really enjoyed the conference season home and away.Did every game thank you, 5 up in car every time except the Crabble on a Sunday when only 2 of us could make it.twas my son who made the effort that day with me, who also now doesn't miss games. In fact it's grandparenting duties that stop me going to more away games now in order that my son can .Rest assured there'll be a new Town fan on board as soon as she's deemed old enough (or stupid enough) to carry on the trend you're not the only one who made dover that Sunday, or in fact the only one who did every game that season, what sticks in my mind is none of the grounds visited were better than our current ground, some grounds could not cope with having shrewsbury there, (Chester, northwich, Hereford) maybe they should have expanded the ground for us ;-)
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Post by accordingtome on Jan 18, 2020 15:35:56 GMT 1
really enjoyed the conference season home and away.Did every game thank you, 5 up in car every time except the Crabble on a Sunday when only 2 of us could make it.twas my son who made the effort that day with me, who also now doesn't miss games. In fact it's grandparenting duties that stop me going to more away games now in order that my son can .Rest assured there'll be a new Town fan on board as soon as she's deemed old enough (or stupid enough) to carry on the trend you're not the only one who made dover that Sunday, or in fact the only one who did every game that season, what sticks in my mind is none of the grounds visited were better than our current ground, some grounds could not cope with having shrewsbury there, (Chester, northwich, Hereford) maybe they should have expanded the ground for us ;-) and perhaps they'd fill the corners in at newbuild stage should any of them decide to relocate
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Post by Pilch on Jan 18, 2020 17:02:21 GMT 1
you're not the only one who made dover that Sunday, or in fact the only one who did every game that season, what sticks in my mind is none of the grounds visited were better than our current ground, some grounds could not cope with having shrewsbury there, (Chester, northwich, Hereford) maybe they should have expanded the ground for us ;-) and perhaps they'd fill the corners in at newbuild stage should any of them decide to relocate one of them doesn't have their own ground anymore as they couldnt afford to stay in it the other 2 average about 2000 fans for a home game if only they all filled the corners in ;-)
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Post by accordingtome on Jan 18, 2020 17:58:04 GMT 1
and perhaps they'd fill the corners in at newbuild stage should any of them decide to relocate one of them doesn't have their own ground anymore as they couldnt afford to stay in it the other 2 average about 2000 fans for a home game if only they all filled the corners in ;-) we could barely afford to stay at Gay Meadow hence the gamble on a new stadium. Seems to have worked because as it's been pointed out on here crowds have almost doubled. Been quite a few sell outs with people wingeing they can't get tickets. If only we'd filled the corners in would have been enough room for everyone. Might have encouraged more people to return, gate receipts up. Better players .Promotion? Who knows. If only!
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Post by tvor on Jan 18, 2020 18:06:58 GMT 1
There was a finite budget for building the New Meadow which came from a combination of sale of the Gay Meadow site and grants that were available at the time, from memory I think this was in the region of £12 million.
Yes the corners could have been filled in at the time of initial build. However, that would have resulted in either going over budget, borrowing the extra money required and carrying that debt forward or cutting more corners in terms of what else was provided at the ground.
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Post by accordingtome on Jan 18, 2020 18:54:50 GMT 1
Stuart Dunn asked Brian about filling in the corners after the game today on radio slop. May look at it in future I think he said . Got to ask Pilch's permission first though
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Post by tvor on Jan 18, 2020 19:04:12 GMT 1
So quick maths, say it'll cost £1.5 million for a corner, average ticket £15... it would need to sell out over 150 times to pay for itself. I recall the club saying in the past they would only consider filling the corners if the space underneath could be used to raise revenue on non match days, for example renting it out as office space. I'm not sure what the demand would be like for office space in Shrewsbury these days with plenty of other developments already offering this.
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Post by tvor on Jan 18, 2020 19:06:02 GMT 1
so Doncaster MK Dons as examples also wasted money? Speculate to accumulate The Franchise are (delightfully) losing money hand over fist, so perhaps aren't the best example. Doncaster's stadium was built by the local council for use by Doncaster Rovers, the Doncaster women's team and the local Rugby League club. It was built at a cost of £32 million versus £12 million for our stadium. Doncaster Rovers are tenants of the stadium.
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Post by tvor on Jan 18, 2020 19:17:10 GMT 1
If we are to develop the stadium further for financial gain, with a faster return on investment, then the obvious change is to increase the capacity of the away stand. In the 10+ years we have been at the new stadium full houses have been few and far between, but in the same time the away end has sold out many more times. An away stand with a capacity of say 3000 and selling out several times a season would provide a better return on investment than filling in the corners. All the stands were designed such that they can be extended backwards so this shouldn't be that difficult.
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Post by zenfootball2 on Jan 18, 2020 19:38:29 GMT 1
So quick maths, say it'll cost £1.5 million for a corner, average ticket £15... it would need to sell out over 150 times to pay for itself. I recall the club saying in the past they would only consider filling the corners if the space underneath could be used to raise revenue on non match days, for example renting it out as office space. I'm not sure what the demand would be like for office space in Shrewsbury these days with plenty of other developments already offering this. i dont wont to sound negative but the Shrewsbury business park is only up the road and expanding at a real pace , when you google office space the town seems awash with them so i would imagine it would be a very competative market. whatver the way forward the club needs as many alternative revenue streams as possible i shop at Lidle and i have noticed that town do seem to be hosting more events but i have no idea what amount of revenue that generates
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Post by Pilch on Jan 18, 2020 19:40:29 GMT 1
Stuart Dunn asked Brian about filling in the corners after the game today on radio slop. May look at it in future I think he said . Got to ask Pilch's permission first though grow up cya in 4 or 5 years when we have the same conversation after drawing a premier side in the cup
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Post by accordingtome on Jan 19, 2020 9:33:24 GMT 1
Stuart Dunn asked Brian about filling in the corners after the game today on radio slop. May look at it in future I think he said . Got to ask Pilch's permission first though grow up cya in 4 or 5 years when we have the same conversation after drawing a premier side in the cup grow up? Not me that cries if I don't get the last word on every mortal issue regarding Shrewsbury Town. Always suspected you're Roland or his lovechild
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Post by stuttgartershrew on Jan 19, 2020 9:42:34 GMT 1
Well just having a look to the interview with Caldwell regarding the Liverpool game and from that interview it might well be that 'general sale' might not come about and a number of supporters who have just the one or two loyalty points might not get a ticket either. As within that interview he talks about looking to accommodate as many of those with one or two points as possible. So I gather, perhaps not everyone with a loyalty point will be able to attend.
So if the idea is that as and when these games come around we want all Town fans to be able to attend then clearly, as it is, the ground isn't big enough. Can only go on that interview of course but from what Caldwell said, it would indeed make perfect sense to see the capacity increased in some way. Because at the movement, it doesn't appear it can accommodate all Town fans who actually make an effort at some point to get down there during the regular season.
As he discusses in that interview, when you look to the capacity and then take into consideration the away allocation and seats required for TV then it ain't actually that many available for the home support when looking to our average attendance.
There is a chance that not everyone who has gone down there to watch a game this season will get a ticket for this Liverpool game. And for me that means the ground isn't big enough...👍
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Post by cheggersdrinkspop on Jan 19, 2020 11:13:06 GMT 1
But if we didn't have a significant cup run, big club home draw, or promotion, for another 10 years, which is more than likely, then the current capacity is more than adequate, surely.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 19, 2020 11:24:54 GMT 1
Will the home capacity (8000) be reduced that much due to TV needs?
I am surprised by Brian's comment that not all fans with loyalty points will get tickets. I can't quite get my head around that, especially with the new ticket allocation system brought in for this game.
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Post by Pilch on Jan 19, 2020 12:44:18 GMT 1
Not me that cries if I don't get the last word Always suspected you're Roland or his lovechild zzz
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Post by Exkeeper on Jan 19, 2020 13:19:30 GMT 1
and perhaps they'd fill the corners in at newbuild stage should any of them decide to relocate one of them doesn't have their own ground anymore as they couldnt afford to stay in it the other 2 average about 2000 fans for a home game if only they all filled the corners in ;-) I seem to remember that Northwick didn’t have their own ground even then. Didn’t that ground belong to Witton Albion?
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Post by davycrockett on Jan 19, 2020 13:34:25 GMT 1
Well just having a look to the interview with Caldwell regarding the Liverpool game and from that interview it might well be that 'general sale' might not come about and a number of supporters who have just the one or two loyalty points might not get a ticket either. As within that interview he talks about looking to accommodate as many of those with one or two points as possible. So I gather, perhaps not everyone with a loyalty point will be able to attend. So if the idea is that as and when these games come around we want all Town fans to be able to attend then clearly, as it is, the ground isn't big enough. Can only go on that interview of course but from what Caldwell said, it would indeed make perfect sense to see the capacity increased in some way. Because at the movement, it doesn't appear it can accommodate all Town fans who actually make an effort at some point to get down there during the regular season. As he discusses in that interview, when you look to the capacity and then take into consideration the away allocation and seats required for TV then it ain't actually that many available for the home support when looking to our average attendance. There is a chance that not everyone who has gone down there to watch a game this season will get a ticket for this Liverpool game. And for me that means the ground isn't big enough...👍 In fairness to the club someone who’s amassed 1/2 loyalty points by Jan isn’t in anyway a regular so don’t think they’d complain if they missed out... and could hardly be classed as a ‘fan’ (there will be exceptions but in general)
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Post by davycrockett on Jan 19, 2020 13:36:04 GMT 1
one of them doesn't have their own ground anymore as they couldnt afford to stay in it the other 2 average about 2000 fans for a home game if only they all filled the corners in ;-) I seem to remember that Northwick didn’t have their own ground even then. Didn’t that ground belong to Witton Albion? They had their own ground directly next to Wittons but no safety certificate for some reason
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Post by gtismygod on Jan 19, 2020 14:27:22 GMT 1
Well just having a look to the interview with Caldwell regarding the Liverpool game and from that interview it might well be that 'general sale' might not come about and a number of supporters who have just the one or two loyalty points might not get a ticket either. As within that interview he talks about looking to accommodate as many of those with one or two points as possible. So I gather, perhaps not everyone with a loyalty point will be able to attend. So if the idea is that as and when these games come around we want all Town fans to be able to attend then clearly, as it is, the ground isn't big enough. Can only go on that interview of course but from what Caldwell said, it would indeed make perfect sense to see the capacity increased in some way. Because at the movement, it doesn't appear it can accommodate all Town fans who actually make an effort at some point to get down there during the regular season. As he discusses in that interview, when you look to the capacity and then take into consideration the away allocation and seats required for TV then it ain't actually that many available for the home support when looking to our average attendance. There is a chance that not everyone who has gone down there to watch a game this season will get a ticket for this Liverpool game. And for me that means the ground isn't big enough...👍 Nah disagree. We could probably sell 12,000 home tickets (14,000 total) for this game. Are you suggesting we should expand the ground to 14,000 seats? Anything less than 14,000 means the ground isn’t big enough? If we start selling it out in the league that’s when the ground isn’t big enough.
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Post by stuttgartershrew on Jan 19, 2020 15:08:45 GMT 1
Well just having a look to the interview with Caldwell regarding the Liverpool game and from that interview it might well be that 'general sale' might not come about and a number of supporters who have just the one or two loyalty points might not get a ticket either. As within that interview he talks about looking to accommodate as many of those with one or two points as possible. So I gather, perhaps not everyone with a loyalty point will be able to attend. So if the idea is that as and when these games come around we want all Town fans to be able to attend then clearly, as it is, the ground isn't big enough. Can only go on that interview of course but from what Caldwell said, it would indeed make perfect sense to see the capacity increased in some way. Because at the movement, it doesn't appear it can accommodate all Town fans who actually make an effort at some point to get down there during the regular season. As he discusses in that interview, when you look to the capacity and then take into consideration the away allocation and seats required for TV then it ain't actually that many available for the home support when looking to our average attendance. There is a chance that not everyone who has gone down there to watch a game this season will get a ticket for this Liverpool game. And for me that means the ground isn't big enough...👍 Nah disagree. We could probably sell 12,000 home tickets (14,000 total) for this game. Are you suggesting we should expand the ground to 14,000 seats? Anything less than 14,000 means the ground isn’t big enough? If we start selling it out in the league that’s when the ground isn’t big enough. I think I was in a crowd of about 12,000 way back in the early 90's when Arsenal visited, I think that would have been about right this time around when we moved to the new stadium. I think a stadium capacity of under 10,000 isn't sufficient when its no guarantee that everyone who has been down to see a game this season may not be guaranteed a ticket. Disagree with your last point. For me this is the time to judge, when the demand is there. Although of course it will be interesting to see how many tickets do finally end up in general sale...👍
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Post by Minormorris64 on Jan 20, 2020 10:06:57 GMT 1
Nah disagree. We could probably sell 12,000 home tickets (14,000 total) for this game. Are you suggesting we should expand the ground to 14,000 seats? Anything less than 14,000 means the ground isn’t big enough? If we start selling it out in the league that’s when the ground isn’t big enough. I think I was in a crowd of about 12,000 way back in the early 90's when Arsenal visited, I think that would have been about right this time around when we moved to the new stadium. I think a stadium capacity of under 10,000 isn't sufficient when its no guarantee that everyone who has been down to see a game this season may not be guaranteed a ticket. Disagree with your last point. For me this is the time to judge, when the demand is there. Although of course it will be interesting to see how many tickets do finally end up in general sale...👍 Sad I am I know, but i'm pretty sure the gate against Arsenal was 12346 or 12358?
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Post by stuttgartershrew on Jan 20, 2020 10:38:09 GMT 1
I think I was in a crowd of about 12,000 way back in the early 90's when Arsenal visited, I think that would have been about right this time around when we moved to the new stadium. I think a stadium capacity of under 10,000 isn't sufficient when its no guarantee that everyone who has been down to see a game this season may not be guaranteed a ticket. Disagree with your last point. For me this is the time to judge, when the demand is there. Although of course it will be interesting to see how many tickets do finally end up in general sale...👍 Sad I am I know, but i'm pretty sure the gate against Arsenal was 12346 or 12358? Maybe. And maybe the last time where no one had any worries about getting a ticket sorted? Although I'm only guessing on that front as it was a good while ago (and it was absolutely heaving that night). Since the capacity at the old ground was cut and since we've moved to the new ground I'm not sure that's the case.
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Post by Pilch on Jan 25, 2020 8:57:08 GMT 1
tomorrows game very nearly went to general sale
to sum up this debate for me
we would have created an extra 1000 seats all for people who have not attended any games this season and we might have made a loss in doing so
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Post by davycrockett on Jan 25, 2020 9:29:53 GMT 1
tomorrows game very nearly went to general sale to sum up this debate for me we would have created an extra 1000 seats all for people who have not attended any games this season and we might have made a loss in doing so 1000? no one mentioned that number would equate to 25 rows of 40 seats (20 each side) Don’t think there were more than 200 last time and the cost of the seating was / would have been covered by sponsorship .....
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Post by Pilch on Jan 25, 2020 9:44:49 GMT 1
tomorrows game very nearly went to general sale to sum up this debate for me we would have created an extra 1000 seats all for people who have not attended any games this season and we might have made a loss in doing so 1000? no one mentioned that number would equate to 25 rows of 40 seats (20 each side) Don’t think there were more than 200 last time and the cost of the seating was / would have been covered by sponsorship ..... I said 1000 as we had 500 extra seats for the Chelsea game for 2 corners
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Post by Deleted on Jan 25, 2020 18:47:57 GMT 1
Fill in the corners? no point...more like build a new ground if Brian is to be believed!
"Tickets for Shrewsbury Town's FA Cup game were in such demand the club could have sold out the stadium three times over, according to chief executive Brian Caldwell".
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