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Post by ssshrew on Jan 8, 2020 10:04:35 GMT 1
Also there are some of us who genuinely cannot make up their minds.
I really want him to succeed as a manager. If he succeeds the so do we and so does he career wise. But I also know that he has a lot to learn. However, last night was truly bad - his players let us down and, it could be argued, let him down as well.
As has been said, the timing of the match wasn’t the best - another learning box ticked? Perhaps not ringing a change or two after Saturday wasn’t the best idea?
Hopefully lessons learned ready for the future. I am happy to back him and the team but oh dear last night was so dire.
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Post by ThrobsBlackHat on Jan 8, 2020 10:52:46 GMT 1
2nd highest league position for 30 years. Some of us literally don't know we're born. How do you work that out? We were 11th three weeks ago with 2 games in hand over most before a run of 1 point from 9 dropped us to 15th and have used one of our games in hand..... No calling for Ricketts head as that won’t happen and can’t help in January but this mini run has put pressure on the team to turn things round and stop the slide. Saturday’s a key game for Ricketts to instil confidence in the team and fans ....... The mistake was arranging this game 3 days after the cup game when Doncaster had no game.
We are currently in 15th.
These are our league one placings since then.
2018-19 18th 2017-18 3rd 2016-17 18th 2015-16 20th 2013-14 23rd 2012-13 16th 1996-97 22nd 1995-96 18th 1994-95 18th 1991-92 22nd 1990-91 18th
In 1989-90 we finished 11th in league one. That was thirty years ago.
Hence we are on course for our second highest league position in 30 years.
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Post by El Huracán!!!! on Jan 8, 2020 11:08:42 GMT 1
How do you work that out? We were 11th three weeks ago with 2 games in hand over most before a run of 1 point from 9 dropped us to 15th and have used one of our games in hand..... No calling for Ricketts head as that won’t happen and can’t help in January but this mini run has put pressure on the team to turn things round and stop the slide. Saturday’s a key game for Ricketts to instil confidence in the team and fans ....... The mistake was arranging this game 3 days after the cup game when Doncaster had no game.
We are currently in 15th.
These are our league one placings since then.
2018-19 18th 2017-18 3rd 2016-17 18th 2015-16 20th 2013-14 23rd 2012-13 16th 1996-97 22nd 1995-96 18th 1994-95 18th 1991-92 22nd 1990-91 18th
In 1989-90 we finished 11th in league one. That was thirty years ago.
Hence we are on course for our second highest league position in 30 years.
Frightening thing is we could be 17th by the end of Saturday! Or we could be 9th! Season could go one way or the other yet, but relegation is not going to happen. Its this down turn in league form recently thats frustrated as its come when we looked to be on the verge of kicking on to something very exciting. Its been a real reality check. Recently we were 9 points ahead of what we had done last season, thats now down to 4 points only by the corresponding same league game. And you simply cannot discount the style and quality of entertainment. I speak as someone whos been home and away most games this season, and have been frustrated or totally bored a lot. Saw people leaving early at Ipswich, fans going nuts before the turn around at Accrington. People singing Ricketts Praises at Blackpool and going mad at the Bolton debacle. Its weird. Hes not going to get us relegated and so hes not going to get sacked and nor should he, but man its fair for people to be frustrated when they are paying to watch this lot at the moment. It would be who ever is manager if it was consistintly this dull. There is still that core that have and never will take to Ricketts all that much to contend with too (not myself I should add) - You see them at every game and online. No results OR performance will sate them.
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Post by Feedo Gnasher on Jan 8, 2020 11:20:08 GMT 1
We are 1 point out of a possible 9 - alarming and relegation form! Equally we’re 7 points out of a possible 15 - the most mid table of all mid table form.
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Post by sheltonsalopian on Jan 8, 2020 11:34:36 GMT 1
Don't think Ricketts should be sacked as many posters have said this is still statistically a good season for Shrewsbury but find it really hard to continue to bother to watch the team with the serious lack of entertainment on show... been to 7 games this season and apart from the 4-3 Southend (which we can agree was the exception) I've seen 3 0-0's, a 3-0 loss, a 2-1 loss, and a wonderful 1-0 win vs Sunderland. That's six goals in 7 games that I've seen and 4 of them came in one game!
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Post by salop27 on Jan 8, 2020 11:46:44 GMT 1
My main concern with Ricketts is that he can't coach. He's an ex international defender yet our defence was comical last season. This season we have better defenders and play more of them but are still prone to giving goals away. So goals conceded is about joint 7th best in the league while goals scored is 2nd lowest in league one. That suggests we have awful strikers yet I'd say Cummings and Okenabirhie are two of the best finishers we've had in some time. It's fair enough to say that we're in a good league position history wise but this is one of the most expensive teams the clubs assembled in some time and I'm afraid Ricketts lack of experience and ability is wasting it.
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Post by martinshrew on Jan 8, 2020 11:49:59 GMT 1
There isn't a chance of Ricketts being sacked, he's doing fine.
Quick question for those wanting rid, who would you realistically bring in and why?
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Post by El Huracán!!!! on Jan 8, 2020 11:51:12 GMT 1
There isn't a chance of Ricketts being sacked, he's doing fine. Quick question for those wanting rid, who would you realistically bring in and why? Paul Hurst Ps im not asking for Hurst to go!
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Post by claphamshrew on Jan 8, 2020 11:59:35 GMT 1
Don't think Ricketts should be sacked as many posters have said this is still statistically a good season for Shrewsbury but find it really hard to continue to bother to watch the team with the serious lack of entertainment on show... been to 7 games this season and apart from the 4-3 Southend (which we can agree was the exception) I've seen 3 0-0's, a 3-0 loss, a 2-1 loss, and a wonderful 1-0 win vs Sunderland. That's six goals in 7 games that I've seen and 4 of them came in one game! You don’t know you’re born sheldon. I’ve seen 5 draws and 2 losses this season with a total of 8 goals (3 for Salop) and I’ve not seen us win since last March!
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Post by shrewder on Jan 8, 2020 12:18:11 GMT 1
Really!!! Then all we would get is another manager wanting to build his own squad. Then if we are lucky in a couple of seasons time we may be more or less where we are now, demanding that A N Other is sacked. Such is the crazy football world we live in.
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Post by Bob Rickerton on Jan 8, 2020 12:29:32 GMT 1
The point about it being more frustrating for those who are actually at the away games is a fair one.
I was at the 0-0s at Rotherham and Lincoln earlier in the season, and the widespread consensus on here from those following it was "good away point, well done Town." Leaving aside whether or not that was true, it's a lot harder to view it in that fashion when you've put in some serious mileage and expense to view a team who barely cross the halfway line and time waste from the off.
No-one's arrogant enough to assume we should be turning up and rolling teams over away from home, but it would be nice for us to show a bit of ****ing ambition.
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Post by wayahead on Jan 8, 2020 13:10:57 GMT 1
Again, wasted my time and money along with another 265 poor sods to not even witness one shot on target. Getting ****ed off with this garbage now. Zero entertainment. As some of you know, I've never been a fan of Ricketts, but tonight was the first time I've started to see the fans turn on him. Especially once the second went in! Please, please Roland, act now or you'll lose fans having to watch these negative tactics week in week out. Get a grip!! Yesterday was awful, granted. Thank n fact worst than that, but for our budget, we are punching and that’s under Ricketts. We had 3 managers last season, had more shots and were in a relegation scrap. I know what I’d choose. Whatever fickle fans say points and table places say we are around it.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 8, 2020 13:22:54 GMT 1
Sadly the modern football fan attitude has reached Shrewsbury (we are always slightly behind the times). There is no middle ground, either things are brilliant or terrible, a win results in talk of promotion, a defeat is the end of the world and the manager must go. This thread is embarrassing but entirely predictable
For the record, this doesn't mean you cant criticise the manager/players, whilst I wasn't there last night I've read enough to see it was a dire performance so people should be free to rant whilst Ricketts and the players need to take a look at themselves. But that's very different from saying 'RICKETTS OUT'.
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Post by Bob Rickerton on Jan 8, 2020 13:31:29 GMT 1
Again, wasted my time and money along with another 265 poor sods to not even witness one shot on target. Getting ****ed off with this garbage now. Zero entertainment. As some of you know, I've never been a fan of Ricketts, but tonight was the first time I've started to see the fans turn on him. Especially once the second went in! Please, please Roland, act now or you'll lose fans having to watch these negative tactics week in week out. Get a grip!! Yesterday was awful, granted. Thank n fact worst than that, but for our budget, we are punching and that’s under Ricketts. We had 3 managers last season, had more shots and were in a relegation scr@p. I know what I’d choose. Whatever fickle fans say points and table places say we are around it. Regarding the budget, and the claim we're "punching" (which I'm assuming you mean we're overperforming) Is that definitely true, or accepted wisdom? We've brought in some good money over the last few years, and it seems like a fair amount of that has been invested into this year's squad - the likes of Pierre, EL, Cummings, the improved contract for Norburn etc. Keith Hill alluding to us being a lower league Man City was wide of the mark, but I'd be surprised if our budget doesn't place us at least mid-table in League 1.
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Post by Pilch on Jan 8, 2020 13:43:31 GMT 1
We are currently in 15th.
These are our league one placings since then.
2018-19 18th 2017-18 3rd 2016-17 18th 2015-16 20th 2013-14 23rd 2012-13 16th 1996-97 22nd 1995-96 18th 1994-95 18th 1991-92 22nd 1990-91 18th
In 1989-90 we finished 11th in league one. That was thirty years ago.
Hence we are on course for our second highest league position in 30 years.
Frightening thing is we could be 17th by the end of Saturday! Or we could be 9th! Season could go one way or the other yet, but relegation is not going to happen. Its this down turn in league form recently thats frustrated as its come when we looked to be on the verge of kicking on to something very exciting. Its been a real reality check. Recently we were 9 points ahead of what we had done last season, thats now down to 4 points only by the corresponding same league game. And you simply cannot discount the style and quality of entertainment. I speak as someone whos been home and away most games this season, and have been frustrated or totally bored a lot. Saw people leaving early at Ipswich, fans going nuts before the turn around at Accrington. People singing Ricketts Praises at Blackpool and going mad at the Bolton debacle. Its weird. Hes not going to get us relegated and so hes not going to get sacked and nor should he, but man its fair for people to be frustrated when they are paying to watch this lot at the moment. It would be who ever is manager if it was consistintly this dull. There is still that core that have and never will take to Ricketts all that much to contend with too (not myself I should add) - You see them at every game and online. No results OR performance will sate them. I knew id find some negative comparisons if I looked hard enough only after we lose you post stats never after we win 46 shots in the previous 2 games one of which was away to premiership contenders seems some of us want promotion and nothing else
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Post by El Huracán!!!! on Jan 8, 2020 13:59:08 GMT 1
25 shots vs Bolton is great vs 10 men, but its a huge outlier... Infact since Sunderland, the shots per game has been dropping off... though we have been making more of them on target... efficient with less chances, btu you can see why the goals have not been flowing. And for context - In League 1 we have the 2nd worst record for shots on target (Bolton Worse) In League 1 we gave the 3rd worst record for total shots (bolton and Southend worse) Dont know why you think I have an agenda. The great defensive record is equally as statistically interesting (been posting about it on twitter today) but the shooting and goal scoring issues are possibly slightly more interesting and to all intents and purposes its the thing holding this team back. No current signs of that changing but its just a game away I guess.
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Post by gtismygod on Jan 8, 2020 13:59:10 GMT 1
Absolute garbage thread, get a grip OP.
Sometimes we get well beaten, that's football.
If you want to win every week playing incredible attacking football go and watch Liverpool or City. It will never be like that watching Town.
Ultimately, we've had a decent first half of the season. Defensively solid for the most part. We're not quite scoring as many as we'd like, but give Ricketts some time. He's such an inexperienced manager.
And for what it's worth, there's zero chance Ricketts will be getting sacked any time soon, so get behind him and the team.
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Post by venceremos on Jan 8, 2020 14:01:12 GMT 1
I don't know whether I'm more bored by the football we play or the endless roller coaster of Ricketts in/out depending on the latest result.
Lower league managers get sacked when their team is losing games, not for being dull to watch. We score too few goals but that's ok with the vast majority of us, as long as we score one more than we concede or we get a decent point. We should be honest enough to admit that.
We're doing ok and that's ..… ok. I don't share the view that this squad is capable of much more but is being held back by the manager. It's a squad of average quality and that's why we are where we are - which is in a better position than usual. There's no "lack of ambition" in recognising and accepting that. It's a question of how much we can improve from here and that's something more readily addressed in the summer than in January.
By all means moan at performances as poor as last night's but it's silly and unrealistic to call for the manager's head when he's actually improved our standing.
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Post by Pilch on Jan 8, 2020 14:09:04 GMT 1
25 shots vs Bolton is great vs 10 men, but its a huge outlier... Infact since Sunderland, the shots per game has been dropping off... though we have been making more of them on target... efficient with less chances, btu you can see why the goals have not been flowing. And for context - In League 1 we have the 2nd worst record for shots on target (Bolton Worse) In League 1 we gave the 3rd worst record for total shots (bolton and Southend worse) Dont know why you think I have an agenda. The great defensive record is equally as statistically interesting (been posting about it on twitter today) but the shooting and goal scoring issues are possibly slightly more interesting and to all intents and purposes its the thing holding this team back. No current signs of that changing but its just a game away I guess. omg you are like the leader of the opposition during a general election no agenda ? lmao
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Post by harboroughshrew on Jan 8, 2020 14:11:49 GMT 1
Agree with you, gtismygod. This is a really difficult league and we are doing OK at the moment. Yes, its not a great watch but the only time I can remember us playing lots of attacking football in the recent past was in league 2 when we generally had better players than the opposition. Ricketts is still finding his feet in management and has survived the first year or so (which a lot of rookie mangers dont) and has improved our team. Watching the Leeds game at Arsenal on TV the other day the commentator mentioned they had had 15 different mangers in the 16 years since they left the top division (you can see why its taking them so long to get back). Lets not fall into that trap and I appeal to those of you asking for a change of manager after a couple of poor results in the league to show a little bit of Shropshire patience and sense of fair play. With two of the three relegation spots already virtually booked it is a good season for putting in the foundations for success next season.
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Post by markie on Jan 8, 2020 14:17:10 GMT 1
Why on earth would you want to sack ricketts??? We are not in the relegation zone. Will probably finish mid table. This season was all about stability and cementing our league 1 status. Which I believe Ricketts has done. You have to remember we have one of the smaller budgets in the league. There are a lot of teams. I think we are doing fine.
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Post by El Huracán!!!! on Jan 8, 2020 14:21:27 GMT 1
25 shots vs Bolton is great vs 10 men, but its a huge outlier... Infact since Sunderland, the shots per game has been dropping off... though we have been making more of them on target... efficient with less chances, btu you can see why the goals have not been flowing. And for context - In League 1 we have the 2nd worst record for shots on target (Bolton Worse) In League 1 we gave the 3rd worst record for total shots (bolton and Southend worse) Dont know why you think I have an agenda. The great defensive record is equally as statistically interesting (been posting about it on twitter today) but the shooting and goal scoring issues are possibly slightly more interesting and to all intents and purposes its the thing holding this team back. No current signs of that changing but its just a game away I guess. omg you are like the leader of the opposition during a general election no agenda ? lmao If you say so..... Funny how much you seem to have changed since owd Ricketts invited you to the meeting. We didnt all drink the cool aid mate
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Post by martinshrew on Jan 8, 2020 14:23:23 GMT 1
Why on earth would you want to sack ricketts??? We are not in the relegation zone. Will probably finish mid table. This season was all about stability and cementing our league 1 status. Which I believe Ricketts has done. You have to remember we have one of the smaller budgets in the league. There are a lot of teams. I think we are doing fine. Agreed until you said smaller budget, that's not true. Our budget is at least mid-table this season.
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Post by martinshrew on Jan 8, 2020 14:26:19 GMT 1
omg you are like the leader of the opposition during a general election no agenda ? lmao If you say so..... Funny how much you seem to have changed since owd Ricketts invited you to the meeting. We didnt all drink the cool aid mate I'm happy to defend Ricketts as he's done a decent job in solidifying our League One status. However he doesn't escape criticism for our lack of attacking play, goals and shots on target. Pilch on the other hand is obsessed with Ricketts, it's become strange. Ever since the meeting as you say ...
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Post by Pilch on Jan 8, 2020 14:42:08 GMT 1
omg you are like the leader of the opposition during a general election no agenda ? lmao If you say so..... Funny how much you seem to have changed since owd Ricketts invited you to the meeting. We didnt all drink the cool aid mate what was I like before the meeting ?
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Post by Pilch on Jan 8, 2020 14:42:21 GMT 1
If you say so..... Funny how much you seem to have changed since owd Ricketts invited you to the meeting. We didnt all drink the cool aid mate I'm happy to defend Ricketts as he's done a decent job in solidifying our League One status. However he doesn't escape criticism for our lack of attacking play, goals and shots on target. Pilch on the other hand is obsessed with Ricketts, it's become strange. Ever since the meeting as you say ... same question to you
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Post by Pilch on Jan 8, 2020 14:48:54 GMT 1
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Post by El Huracán!!!! on Jan 8, 2020 14:52:04 GMT 1
Christ I was joking man.
You used to be able to take this sort of banter! Whats happened?
And i'm not finding proof of you being able to take banter before either - LOL
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Post by gtismygod on Jan 8, 2020 14:53:23 GMT 1
Time of the month, Pilch?
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Post by shrewswolf on Jan 8, 2020 15:00:44 GMT 1
I’m not Ricketts out right now but that’s probably ONLY because of this wonderful stupendously high league position we are all to adore and cherish. 15th. Incredible.
But no seriously, I think we are 90% of the time an atrocious footballing team. Have I got carried away when our defensive solidity has got us within reach of the playoffs? Of course. Will I do so again if the clean sheets return? Of course. Otherwise this season really would be the most boring I’ve ever witnessed. Yes I include awful relegation battles in that, when we’ve been drubbed regularly & I’ve given the team abuse for being inept. These lot aren’t inept but they’re, generally, set up to negate the opposition and even when searching desperately for a goal we keep 5 at the back. And yes, Pilch, I know Ricketts changed the set up three times in the second half last night but never did we sacrifice a defender for an extra striker. He tried, but obviously not hard or clever enough.
Not rediscovering our hard to beat defence could send the season into free fall. Rediscovering it could see the worst team to ever make the playoffs. A decent January window could transform this team too. Just my opinion!
So no, not Ricketts out but very much sat on the fence, bored out of my mind.
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