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Post by Exkeeper on Jan 10, 2020 11:41:16 GMT 1
"Be patient" whilst Sam finally gets round to having a look at who might be available. Isn't that what he should have spent November/December doing? By the end of Jan, if we haven't improved the chance of a run at the play offs is gone. Then you're looking at our better players like Pierre, Williams etc walking too in the summer (if they're not looking to move already). Seems that Sam's transfer game is like his football; slow and ponderous. How do players that have not even completed one year of a two or three year contract, go about walking in the summer? Unless it suits us of course.
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Post by northwestman on Jan 10, 2020 12:30:03 GMT 1
"Be patient" whilst Sam finally gets round to having a look at who might be available. Isn't that what he should have spent November/December doing? By the end of Jan, if we haven't improved the chance of a run at the play offs is gone. Then you're looking at our better players like Pierre, Williams etc walking too in the summer (if they're not looking to move already). Seems that Sam's transfer game is like his football; slow and ponderous. How do players that have not even completed one year of a two or three year contract, go about walking in the summer? Unless it suits us of course. True, but we do have Murphy, Walker, Beckles, Fejiri, Vincelot and Laurent out of contract at the end of the season. All could leave, though Laurent is the only one that would be a serious loss as far as I'm concerned. Fejiri looks to be out of favour already, and some of the others may not be offered new contracts anyway. Hurst would probably sign Beckles!
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Post by northwestman on Jan 10, 2020 12:45:58 GMT 1
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Post by martinshrew on Jan 10, 2020 12:48:45 GMT 1
I'm really happy with Ricketts taking his time. We've got loads, and I mean LOADS of "squad" players without anything really special. Udoh, Fejeri, Walker etc were all punts at stepping up the leagues, the results are arguable for me.
If we're working hard at one or two special signings then I'm happy with that. It's what I've advocated for a good few windows now, quality over quantity.
Ricketts has the nucleus of a decent side here, get behind him in this window, hopefully finish mid table or above and have another summer window and a crack at the playoffs next season. That's real progress.
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Post by staffordshrew on Jan 10, 2020 12:55:44 GMT 1
And it would be good if manager and players keep feet firmly on the ground and don't all become Championship legends in their own minds this close season unlike how the Hurst era ended (apart from Mr Whalley who stuck with us).
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Post by block18shrew on Jan 10, 2020 13:25:14 GMT 1
My argument is....why are we waiting until now to tie up Laurent? Shouldn’t we have opened talks in Nov/Dec reference a years extension? Unless of course we did and he didn’t want to discuss it? Otherwise it seems we never learn.
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Post by staffordshrew on Jan 10, 2020 13:57:00 GMT 1
Unless of course we did and he didn’t want to discuss it? Judging by Sam's answer you are are correct: "Asked if negotiations with Laurent had started, Ricketts said: "It's something which is ongoing which the club have a view, a while ago, that Josh is of a (good) age and is on a free in the summer. "We're trying to prevent that as best we can. He's something we want to keep here and build with." It only looks like things are starting now because Lewis Cox is only now asking the question.
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Post by venceremos on Jan 10, 2020 14:03:49 GMT 1
"Be patient" whilst Sam finally gets round to having a look at who might be available. Isn't that what he should have spent November/December doing? By the end of Jan, if we haven't improved the chance of a run at the play offs is gone. Then you're looking at our better players like Pierre, Williams etc walking too in the summer (if they're not looking to move already). Seems that Sam's transfer game is like his football; slow and ponderous. Curious to learn how you know we only started looking at potential targets this month …...
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Post by LetchworthShrew on Jan 10, 2020 14:04:40 GMT 1
Just a rumour going round, we’re making a bid for Oliver Rathbone of Rochdale.
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Post by venceremos on Jan 10, 2020 14:06:29 GMT 1
Unless of course we did and he didn’t want to discuss it? Judging by Sam's answer you are are correct: "Asked if negotiations with Laurent had started, Ricketts said: "It's something which is ongoing which the club have a view, a while ago, that Josh is of a (good) age and is on a free in the summer. "We're trying to prevent that as best we can. He's something we want to keep here and build with." It only looks like things are starting now because Lewis Cox is only now asking the question. Are you seriously suggesting the resident b&a experts don't know the club's business better than the manager?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 10, 2020 14:20:25 GMT 1
Unless of course we did and he didn’t want to discuss it? Judging by Sam's answer you are are correct: "Asked if negotiations with Laurent had started, Ricketts said: "It's something which is ongoing which the club have a view, a while ago, that Josh is of a (good) age and is on a free in the summer. "We're trying to prevent that as best we can. He's something we want to keep here and build with." It only looks like things are starting now because Lewis Cox is only now asking the question.
Not sure how you have come to that conclusion? By saying 'its something which is ongoing" I've taken it to mean the process started a while ago. I would be amazed if the club's contract position is based on the questions of the local media.
I've been criticial of the clubs approach in the past (and still get frustrated at times by their lack of foresight) but in their defence I would say its no way as easy as some people think it is. Firstly, its not just a case of offering a contract and the player signing it, their will of course be negotiations and players might not want to commit because of wanting to see what interest there is, what league we will be in etc. Similarly, our approach may depend on what league we are in, eg if we are facing a relegation battle then we aren't going to be handing out L1 wages. And finally, by offering a contract there is the potential to cause problems for other people in the squad who are also out of contract. Yes that is for Ricketts to manage but I'm just pointing out its not as simple as getting someone to sign an extension.
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Post by venceremos on Jan 10, 2020 14:29:16 GMT 1
Judging by Sam's answer you are are correct: "Asked if negotiations with Laurent had started, Ricketts said: "It's something which is ongoing which the club have a view, a while ago, that Josh is of a (good) age and is on a free in the summer. "We're trying to prevent that as best we can. He's something we want to keep here and build with." It only looks like things are starting now because Lewis Cox is only now asking the question.
Not sure how you have come to that conclusion? By saying 'its something which is ongoing" I've taken it to mean the process started a while ago. I would be amazed if the club's contract position is based on the questions of the local media.
I think that's effectively what staffordshrew was saying.
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Post by Pilch on Jan 10, 2020 14:35:51 GMT 1
My argument is....why are we waiting until now to tie up Laurent? Shouldn’t we have opened talks in Nov/Dec reference a years extension? Unless of course we did and he didn’t want to discuss it? Otherwise it seems we never learn. do you seriously think we have waited until now to offer Laurent a new contract ? footballers who are playing well with a short contract hold all the cards
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Post by martinshrew on Jan 10, 2020 14:50:38 GMT 1
My argument is....why are we waiting until now to tie up Laurent? Shouldn’t we have opened talks in Nov/Dec reference a years extension? Unless of course we did and he didn’t want to discuss it? Otherwise it seems we never learn. Wouldn't be surprised if it was December as he didn't do a great deal before then really. This is a great window for clearing some wages and dead wood. The two loans, Grant, LJL etc will free up places and wages. One quality player in please Sam, and a promising loan who is physically League One ready if you can find one.
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Post by northwestman on Jan 10, 2020 16:17:06 GMT 1
Apart from Whalley, have we persuaded anyone else into a contract extension recently? Not counting LJL.
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Post by block18shrew on Jan 10, 2020 16:49:24 GMT 1
Apart from Whalley, have we persuaded anyone else into a contract extension recently? Not counting LJL. Norburn
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Post by northwestman on Jan 10, 2020 16:54:53 GMT 1
Apart from Whalley, have we persuaded anyone else into a contract extension recently? Not counting LJL. Norburn Ah yes!
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Post by Deleted on Jan 10, 2020 17:57:22 GMT 1
The January transfer window has not actually been an inspired one for us in recent years. Unless we can get in better players (be it on loan/permanent) than what we've got then I would rather we stick rather than twist.
2 loanees perhaps to replace the ones who have gone back might be the most we could expect.
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Post by Mortgagehound on Jan 10, 2020 17:59:12 GMT 1
Apart from Whalley, have we persuaded anyone else into a contract extension recently? Not counting LJL. Bob Tooze
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Post by Deleted on Jan 10, 2020 18:01:11 GMT 1
My argument is....why are we waiting until now to tie up Laurent? Shouldn’t we have opened talks in Nov/Dec reference a years extension? Unless of course we did and he didn’t want to discuss it? Otherwise it seems we never learn. I'm pretty sure that Brian knows what he's doing.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 10, 2020 18:08:21 GMT 1
Any player with an agent halfway decent will leave his options open - it wouldn’t matter when the hierarchy within the club start negotiating contracts, the player takes advice from his agent who should have his finger on the pulse and able to get the best deal for his client
If what I’m hearing is true then Reading are one of the front runners for Laurent and the figure is nowhere near what some folk on here think we’d get for him, nowhere near!
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Post by tvor on Jan 10, 2020 18:21:35 GMT 1
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Post by martinshrew on Jan 10, 2020 18:26:11 GMT 1
Any player with an agent halfway decent will leave his options open - it wouldn’t matter when the hierarchy within the club start negotiating contracts, the player takes advice from his agent who should have his finger on the pulse and able to get the best deal for his client If what I’m hearing is true then Reading are one of the front runners for Laurent and the figure is nowhere near what some folk on here think we’d get for him, nowhere near! Well under £150k I'd guess.
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Post by BlueAndAmber50 on Jan 10, 2020 18:27:17 GMT 1
Any player with an agent halfway decent will leave his options open - it wouldn’t matter when the hierarchy within the club start negotiating contracts, the player takes advice from his agent who should have his finger on the pulse and able to get the best deal for his client If what I’m hearing is true then Reading are one of the front runners for Laurent and the figure is nowhere near what some folk on here think we’d get for him, nowhere near! Well under £150k I'd guess. Should have offered him a new contact back in October when it was obvious he was going to continue to be a key player for us...
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Post by martinshrew on Jan 10, 2020 18:28:57 GMT 1
Well under £150k I'd guess. Should have offered him a new contact back in October when it was obvious he was going to continue to be a key player for us... Was it obvious in October? Who says we didn't?
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Post by northwestman on Jan 10, 2020 18:59:46 GMT 1
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Post by Deleted on Jan 10, 2020 19:12:35 GMT 1
I wonder if Henshall will use his persuasion and influence to take anyone to Doncaster on loan? I won’t be surprised 😜
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Post by thesensationaljt on Jan 10, 2020 19:19:29 GMT 1
A If what I’m hearing is true then Reading are one of the front runners for Laurent and the figure is nowhere near what some folk on here think we’d get for him, nowhere near! Okay, I'll admit my £4million was slightly over the top, I'll take £3.5million.
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Post by callum on Jan 10, 2020 19:56:00 GMT 1
"Be patient" whilst Sam finally gets round to having a look at who might be available. Isn't that what he should have spent November/December doing? By the end of Jan, if we haven't improved the chance of a run at the play offs is gone. Then you're looking at our better players like Pierre, Williams etc walking too in the summer (if they're not looking to move already). Seems that Sam's transfer game is like his football; slow and ponderous. How do players that have not even completed one year of a two or three year contract, go about walking in the summer? Unless it suits us of course. Perhaps Jon Nolan could answer that, and I don't think that suited us either.
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Post by cheggersdrinkspop on Jan 10, 2020 20:05:53 GMT 1
According to many on here Laurent was worth nothing 3 months ago, just glad we have a coaching staff who know what they are doing, unlike some of our esteemed posters who know better week in week out.
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