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Post by another fine mess on Nov 1, 2019 12:05:03 GMT 1
For balance, just to keep Stan Laurel and Stutty happy, the conservative party logo is a lovely shade of blue.
Most kind. But the name's Hardy - Oliver Hardy
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Post by Deleted on Nov 1, 2019 12:05:51 GMT 1
Politics isn't a sport. Political discussions can kill people. Lighten-up Nicko!
No one’s killing anyone on this board.
Can’t we all enjoy some friendly debate? If you don’t enjoy it, you don’t have to take part.
I'm fine thanks. And, you are intelligent enough to know exactly what I meant.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 1, 2019 12:11:15 GMT 1
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Which ties in with this.
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This election will be won and lost on social media. Unsurprisingly.
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Post by stuttgartershrew on Nov 1, 2019 12:18:41 GMT 1
And May saw a huge turnout in support for the Tories. So yes, people went out to vote for Corbyn. More however, went out to vote for someone else in order to keep him out. We all know how an election works, it's all well and good having someone who will generate an increase of support for your party...but not if that very same leader results in generating support for someone else. Surely you understand that? Corbyn is divisive; for the numbers he gets to vote for him others will make sure they go out to vote against him. May had one of the best vote share going didn't she? I've no doubt the prospect of Corbyn as PM more than helped in that. So perhaps corbyn is not quite the repel you claim him to be. I guess we'll get to know in 6 weeks times. 👍
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Post by sheltonsalopian on Nov 1, 2019 12:23:26 GMT 1
Purely anecdotal, but it looks like if Labour had a leader closer to the centre they would walk this election? Not saying it is the right thing to do but most people I talk to say they'd like to vote labour but won't because of Corbyn, now you can argue it's all because of smears by the media but it looks to me like the majority of Britain are looking for a centrist labour? The centre is polling less than centre left labour and right wing conservatives. I appreciate that but many believe (and rightly so) that their vote is pointless if it isn't used for one of Labour or the Conservatives which naturally forces people to vote for one of those two parties they consider "The least worst" in order for their vote to actually have an effect
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Post by frankwellshrews on Nov 1, 2019 12:33:13 GMT 1
Goes well with "Get Brexit Done" in that it doesn't stand up to the slightest scrutiny you mean? Still, all that matters is it's a simple three word slogan people can throw around ad nauseam in place of having to have any actual opinions themselves. Here's what a well known German politician had to say about this approach; "The receptivity of the masses is very limited, their intelligence is small, but their power of forgetting is enormous. In consequence of these facts, all effective propaganda must be limited to a very few points and must harp on these in slogans until the last member of the public understands what you want him to understand by your slogan." I'm sure it will resonate with many. And I'm pretty sure all the parties will be deploying slogans. That's how these things tend to work. And Hitler? So let me get this right from the off, you are comparing the Tories to the Nazis? Is that what you are doing? Yes, I'm suggesting that the tactics the Tories employ by focussing on vacuous soundbites which are repeated at every available opportunity are similar to those pioneered by the Nazis (who were very effective propagandists). Of course other politicians rely on slogans to an extent but we've seen nothing on a par with "strong and stable", "get brexit done" and now I expect the new one. Ironically, strong and stable just ended up being a stick to beat May with. I wouldn't be surprised if GBD and BDB wind up the same. Would it help you follow if I used some emojis?
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Post by LetchworthShrew on Nov 1, 2019 12:35:39 GMT 1
This election will be won and lost on social media. Unsurprisingly. Interestingly a couple of days ago Twitter announced a worldwide ban on "paid for" political advertising.
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Post by neilsalop on Nov 1, 2019 12:43:23 GMT 1
I'd like to ask any Tory voters a simple question, why?
Take the Brexit conundrum out of the picture and there is no reason to vote Conservative that I can see.
I am happy to be educated, so please knock yourselves out.
I will come back with... how very condescending... people can disagree and you can still be respectful of their opinion. you show typucal leftiest entiltlment attitute and arrogance. But to answer a simple question of WHY, i will respond with a simple one word answer... CORBYN Care to elaborate owd lad. Is it the fact that he didn't go to Eton? That he has an allotment? That he's anti-war perhaps? Come on give me some of his policies that you disagree with at least. Let's leave brexit until after the election. It isn't a one policy vote. We had that in 2016 and IMO some sort of brexit should happen, but not a reckless one.
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Post by another fine mess on Nov 1, 2019 12:46:46 GMT 1
Don’t be surprised if the Tory vote drops but delivers more seats and a decent majority.
As an analyst said yesterday, Boris’ popularity at the start of this campaign is lower than May’s was at the end of the 2017 election! So, he is likely to receive a lower share of the vote but may well win far more seats than Mrs May as smaller parties take more votes from Labour than the Tories.
Much will depend on whether there can be an effective anti-Tory pact (it’s hard to see how Labour could agree to that) and what Nigel Farage decides.
I suspect that a lot of the young folk who turned out so enthusiastically for Corbyn last time will not do so this time. They may stay home or vote for the Greens.
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Post by stuttgartershrew on Nov 1, 2019 12:52:50 GMT 1
I'm sure it will resonate with many. And I'm pretty sure all the parties will be deploying slogans. That's how these things tend to work. And Hitler? So let me get this right from the off, you are comparing the Tories to the Nazis? Is that what you are doing? Would it help you follow if I used some emojis? No, I don't think that's necessary. I think you've more than made a complete mess of it already. **** me; Hitler, Nazis and Godwin three pages in. That's frankly embarrassing (no pun intended). You've really set the tone here haven't you...
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Post by stuttgartershrew on Nov 1, 2019 12:54:04 GMT 1
So Farage and the Brexit party apparently looking to field near on 500 candidates come the election. That should be music to the ears of the Lib Dems and Labour.
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Post by shrewinspain on Nov 1, 2019 13:16:04 GMT 1
Don't want to vote for Corbyn, but as my vote will be counted in Shrewsbury voting Labour is the only way to get rid of the dim-witted incumbent. Have not bothered voting before; hopefully more of the less vocal remainers will be out this time.
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Post by shrewinspain on Nov 1, 2019 13:19:08 GMT 1
I'd like to ask any Tory voters a simple question, why?
Take the Brexit conundrum out of the picture and there is no reason to vote Conservative that I can see.
I am happy to be educated, so please knock yourselves out.
I will come back with... how very condescending... people can disagree and you can still be respectful of their opinion. you show typucal leftiest entiltlment attitute and arrogance. But to answer a simple question of WHY, i will respond with a simple one word answer... CORBYN I seldom agree with the rantings of Downie but this time he has it right. If someone like Blair was up against Boris it would be a Labour landslide.
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Post by zenfootball2 on Nov 1, 2019 13:46:42 GMT 1
Don’t be surprised if the Tory vote drops but delivers more seats and a decent majority.
As an analyst said yesterday, Boris’ popularity at the start of this campaign is lower than May’s was at the end of the 2017 election! So, he is likely to receive a lower share of the vote but may well win far more seats than Mrs May as smaller parties take more votes from Labour than the Tories.
Much will depend on whether there can be an effective anti-Tory pact (it’s hard to see how Labour could agree to that) and what Nigel Farage decides.
I suspect that a lot of the young folk who turned out so enthusiastically for Corbyn last time will not do so this time. They may stay home or vote for the Greens. considering the impact of Greta Thunberg and extinction rebels as you say many will be voting green.or if the young voters can forgive the liberal party vote for them
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Post by davycrockett on Nov 1, 2019 13:57:12 GMT 1
I will come back with... how very condescending... people can disagree and you can still be respectful of their opinion. you show typucal leftiest entiltlment attitute and arrogance. But to answer a simple question of WHY, i will respond with a simple one word answer... CORBYN I seldom agree with the rantings of Downie but this time he has it right. If someone like Blair was up against Boris it would be a Labour landslide. Just shows what a great job the Conservatives / Conservative press have done over the last few years... care to say why you dislike him so much?
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Post by Minormorris64 on Nov 1, 2019 14:11:18 GMT 1
How about an electoral pact for this board?
Let’s: • have a proper debate over the new few weeks. • listen to what others are saying and respond fairly • assume that everyone’s acting in good faith even if we disagree • try and back-up arguments with evidence • try and find the humour in it all
Let the sport commence! Politics isn't a sport. Political discussions can kill people. www.bbc.co.uk/sport/boxing/50066825
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Post by Minormorris64 on Nov 1, 2019 14:14:54 GMT 1
Corbyn (and one or two of those around him) never thought in a millions years that he would be in the position that he is in now. I've no doubt about that. And because of that, he simply has too much baggage. Perhaps not with the younger supporters who have gravitated to Labour since he became leader but I would certainly think for those of a certain age. Labour under corbyn increased their voting share of every single age category in 2017... From what starting point ?
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Post by Minormorris64 on Nov 1, 2019 14:16:52 GMT 1
I'm sure it will resonate with many. And I'm pretty sure all the parties will be deploying slogans. That's how these things tend to work. And Hitler? So let me get this right from the off, you are comparing the Tories to the Nazis? Is that what you are doing? Yes, I'm suggesting that the tactics the Tories employ by focussing on vacuous soundbites which are repeated at every available opportunity are similar to those pioneered by the Nazis (who were very effective propagandists). Of course other politicians rely on slogans to an extent but we've seen nothing on a par with "strong and stable", "get brexit done" and now I expect the new one. Ironically, strong and stable just ended up being a stick to beat May with. I wouldn't be surprised if GBD and BDB wind up the same. Would it help you follow if I used some emojis? A bit like "For the many not the few", haven't heard that repeated much, hahahahahaha
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Post by Deleted on Nov 1, 2019 14:45:35 GMT 1
Labour under corbyn increased their voting share of every single age category in 2017... From what starting point ? From their results in 2015.
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Post by salop27 on Nov 1, 2019 15:10:55 GMT 1
/photo/1 Which ties in with this. /photo/1 This election will be won and lost on social media. Unsurprisingly. Go and look at the 2017 general election table for age related voting. In comparison labour are in a bad place currently.
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Post by TheFoz on Nov 1, 2019 15:29:23 GMT 1
Purely anecdotal, but it looks like if Labour had a leader closer to the centre they would walk this election? Not saying it is the right thing to do but most people I talk to say they'd like to vote labour but won't because of Corbyn, now you can argue it's all because of smears by the media but it looks to me like the majority of Britain are looking for a centrist labour? My personal opinion is if Keir Starmer was leader, Labour walk this election. He has some great leadership qualities. I also think most of the general public are near centre. 10 years ago both parties were near there but the tories have shifted to the right and labour to the left.
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Post by shrewsace on Nov 1, 2019 15:32:02 GMT 1
From what starting point ? From their results in 2015. It was Labour's biggest vote share increase since 1945.
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Post by salop27 on Nov 1, 2019 15:33:32 GMT 1
I’ll do it! Double standards, and hypocritical in the extreme. Embarrassing Shocked that you beat salop27 to the punch. So the Greens stepping back in a handful of constituencies is equal to Brexit Party PLC not standing against any Tory? Okay then. I'm embarrassed for you here.
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/photo/1 Which ties in with this. /photo/1 This election will be won and lost on social media. Unsurprisingly. Go and look at the 2017 general election table for age related voting. In comparison labour are in a bad place currently. The surge in registration is the key. Obviously there are not all going to vote Labour, and some of those in the age bracket were old enough to vote in 2017, but didn't for whatever reason. A lot has happened in the past 2 years and not just around Brexit. It's going to be tighter than a ducks proverbial.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 1, 2019 16:26:17 GMT 1
Purely anecdotal, but it looks like if Labour had a leader closer to the centre they would walk this election? Not saying it is the right thing to do but most people I talk to say they'd like to vote labour but won't because of Corbyn, now you can argue it's all because of smears by the media but it looks to me like the majority of Britain are looking for a centrist labour? My personal opinion is if Keir Starmer was leader, Labour walk this election. He has some great leadership qualities. I also think most of the general public are near centre. 10 years ago both parties were near there but the tories have shifted to the right and labour to the left. Yes, at heart the UK electorate are centrist. But, that position has been tried with Blair, Brown and Cameron, and here we are. And saying right and left just muddies the waters and enables terms like Fascist and Socialist/Commie. It's really about Social Democracy, or deregulation and rampant uncontrolled Capitalism, which centrists are perfectly happy with.
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Post by zenfootball2 on Nov 1, 2019 17:06:32 GMT 1
Go and look at the 2017 general election table for age related voting. In comparison labour are in a bad place currently. The surge in registration is the key. Obviously there are not all going to vote Labour, and some of those in the age bracket were old enough to vote in 2017, but didn't for whatever reason. A lot has happened in the past 2 years and not just around Brexit. It's going to be tighter than a ducks proverbial. i am suprised a higher % of young voters are not voting for the green party
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Post by shrewinspain on Nov 1, 2019 17:21:37 GMT 1
The surge in registration is the key. Obviously there are not all going to vote Labour, and some of those in the age bracket were old enough to vote in 2017, but didn't for whatever reason. A lot has happened in the past 2 years and not just around Brexit. It's going to be tighter than a ducks proverbial. i am suprised a higher % of young voters are not voting for the green party I think that they would if we had proportional representation - first past the post needs to be abolished
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