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Post by cheggersdrinkspop on Oct 21, 2019 17:48:29 GMT 1
The future match "banter" v our friends down the M6 will be a bit limited if this is taken to court, thoughts and views anyone? BBC News: Northampton Town v Salford City: Police report racist abuse 'within away stand' BBC News - Northampton Town v Salford City: Police report racist abuse 'within away stand' www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/50126927
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Post by floreatsalopia1 on Oct 21, 2019 17:57:17 GMT 1
The future match "banter" v our friends down the M6 will be a bit limited if this is taken to court, thoughts and views anyone? BBC News: Northampton Town v Salford City: Police report racist abuse 'within away stand' BBC News - Northampton Town v Salford City: Police report racist abuse 'within away stand' www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/50126927It is already something to be wary of. I know of a recent court case where 2 shrewsbury fans in the south stand reported another Shrewsbury fan they didn't like for singing the biscuit tin song.Surprised it wasnt reported in the press but glad for him it wasn't. Went to court and said fan found not guilty. HE has yet to return watching the town However I also recall other town fans being dealt with at walsall railway station for singing the same song last season. Friend accepted a caution rather than risk a conviction and lose his job. I assume you can sing about travellers as that is a factual statement !
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Post by 18stfc86 on Oct 21, 2019 18:22:26 GMT 1
What a load of s**t I've just read.
Worlds gone mad!
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Post by GrizzlyShrew on Oct 21, 2019 20:09:49 GMT 1
What a load of s**t I've just read. Worlds gone mad! Agree totally.
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Post by cheggersdrinkspop on Oct 21, 2019 20:11:24 GMT 1
Is calling us Welsh or sheep sh***ers classed as racist or just plain sheepophobic?
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Post by stuttgartershrew on Oct 21, 2019 20:28:02 GMT 1
Really not sure what to think of that other than I don't think we should be at all surprised. Speaking of 'mad', I've just finished Douglas Murray's book "The Madness of Crowds: Gender, Race and Identity". Would very much recommend it. It's well worth a read...👍
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Post by shrewsace on Oct 21, 2019 21:39:34 GMT 1
Really not sure what to think of that other than I don't think we should be at all surprised. Speaking of 'mad', I've just finished Douglas Murray's book "The Madness of Crowds: Gender, Race and Identity". Would very much recommend it. It's well worth a read...👍 I can detect his influence in your prodigious contributions to the board's more political threads. Kindred spirits, I'd wager.
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Post by frankwellshrews on Oct 21, 2019 22:06:21 GMT 1
I don't get why people are so protective over that chant; it's not even funny or original. Hard to see how you can argue it's not racist really either.
No great loss to football if people start to think twice about singing it. You never know, it might actually lead to us coming up with something vaguely original for once.
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Post by 18stfc86 on Oct 21, 2019 22:16:06 GMT 1
I don't get why people are so protective over that chant; it's not even funny or original. Hard to see how you can argue it's not racist really either. No great loss to football if people start to think twice about singing it. You never know, it might actually lead to us coming up with something vaguely original for once. What race is a gypsy? Eagerly awaiting your response to this..
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Post by mattmw on Oct 21, 2019 22:26:00 GMT 1
From the Gov.uk website
Gypsies and Travellers are a racial group as defined in s9 Equality Act 2010. They are therefore protected, from direct discrimination (s13), indirect discrimination (s15) and harassment (s26).
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Post by Bob Rickerton on Oct 21, 2019 22:30:11 GMT 1
Can't say anything these days lads can you!!!! I mean, if you're even allowed to say the word lads these days lol!?!? all this political correctness gone mad which means I can't sign derogatory songs about a minority community very loosely attached to our local rivals has got me so confused I can't even begin to comprehend it!!!
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Post by cheggersdrinkspop on Oct 21, 2019 22:48:12 GMT 1
It will eventually transform itself to the stage that if you make a reference that could be deemed as detrimental to a stereotypical group then you could potentially be classed as some sort of social outcast. There are certain lines you don't cross but there has to be level of reality and common sense as well given the environment. The reality is that Walsall fans probably enjoy the singing as as we enjoy the reposte. I am sure if this offends any of the travelling community then they would raise a complaint, such as if it offends people who prefer woolly animals for their pleasure.
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Post by thesensationaljt on Oct 21, 2019 23:00:55 GMT 1
"You're Welsh, and you know you are", never bothered me. I'm slightly Welsh anyway, and sit with 100% Welsh supporters who ignore the chants. And being called sheep shaggers is water off a sheep's....sorry ducks back. I've made fun on here in a personal wee wee about sexual relations with sheep. I remember chanting at keeper Steve Cherry for dying his hair brown. I suppose I could be arrested for being greyist.
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Post by pughywasfree on Oct 21, 2019 23:05:00 GMT 1
The future match "banter" v our friends down the M6 will be a bit limited if this is taken to court, thoughts and views anyone? BBC News: Northampton Town v Salford City: Police report racist abuse 'within away stand' BBC News - Northampton Town v Salford City: Police report racist abuse 'within away stand' www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/50126927It is already something to be wary of. I know of a recent court case where 2 shrewsbury fans in the south stand reported another Shrewsbury fan they didn't like for singing the biscuit tin song.Surprised it wasnt reported in the press but glad for him it wasn't. Went to court and said fan found not guilty. HE has yet to return watching the town However I also recall other town fans being dealt with at walsall railway station for singing the same song last season. Friend accepted a caution rather than risk a conviction and lose his job. I assume you can sing about travellers as that is a factual statement ! I heard about the first incident. If what I heard he was saying is true the two that reported him need to get a grip. Hope he returns soon. The incident at Walsall train station was a result of btp having a power trip about public order. It was nothing to do with racism.
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Post by stuttgartershrew on Oct 22, 2019 7:39:06 GMT 1
Really not sure what to think of that other than I don't think we should be at all surprised. Speaking of 'mad', I've just finished Douglas Murray's book "The Madness of Crowds: Gender, Race and Identity". Would very much recommend it. It's well worth a read...👍 I can detect his influence in your prodigious contributions to the board's more political threads. I doubt that considering this is the first book of his that I have read. Anyhow, its a good book. I'd recommend it. There is a fair bit on youtube where he is discussing the book if anyone wants to get an idea of what it's about. Not going to be everyone's cup of tea of course looking to the subject matter, that goes without saying but nonetheless, well worth the read...👍
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Post by scooter on Oct 22, 2019 9:08:29 GMT 1
Really not sure what to think of that other than I don't think we should be at all surprised. Speaking of 'mad', I've just finished Douglas Murray's book "The Madness of Crowds: Gender, Race and Identity". Would very much recommend it. It's well worth a read...👍 I can detect his influence in your prodigious contributions to the board's more political threads. Kindred spirits, I'd wager. Quick google. You can get a free copy if you subscribe to the Spectator
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Post by venceremos on Oct 22, 2019 12:20:01 GMT 1
I don't get why people are so protective over that chant; it's not even funny or original. Hard to see how you can argue it's not racist really either. No great loss to football if people start to think twice about singing it. You never know, it might actually lead to us coming up with something vaguely original for once. What race is a gypsy? Eagerly awaiting your response to this.. You had a response. Eagerly awaiting your response to the response you requested.
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Post by ThrobsBlackHat on Oct 22, 2019 14:17:42 GMT 1
The simple fact people don't even know that Gypsy is a race is part of the problem.
So is the fact we are so used to the "banter" about the welsh that is feels normal.
Out come the same jibes, snowflakes, world has gone mad, politically correct brigade, you won't be able to say anything soon.
Just a little history lesson, 15 years ago people said exactly the same when the term Paki" came into focus.
People won't be able to call out racism when what you are saying or doing is not either overtly or implicitly racist. Until that point lots of football banter will be under the microscope because they fail that test. Just because we have sung them for 30 years and it is all good banter does not make it any more or less racist.
Substitute the term "Paki" for the term "g***" in a Walsall match and it is clearly racist. If you cannot see that link then you really are blinded to it.
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Post by 18stfc86 on Oct 22, 2019 14:24:58 GMT 1
What race is a gypsy? Eagerly awaiting your response to this.. You had a response. Eagerly awaiting your response to the response you requested. Despite the comment, a gypsy is not a race in my book. End of story.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 22, 2019 14:36:07 GMT 1
You had a response. Eagerly awaiting your response to the response you requested. Despite the comment, a gypsy is not a race in my book. End of story. Maybe not in your book but the fact remains that they are under The Equality Act 2010. Stick your head in the sand if you want to do, it's a free country after all.
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Post by another fine mess on Oct 22, 2019 14:47:53 GMT 1
Really not sure what to think of that other than I don't think we should be at all surprised. Speaking of 'mad', I've just finished Douglas Murray's book "The Madness of Crowds: Gender, Race and Identity". Would very much recommend it. It's well worth a read...👍 I can second Stuttgartershew's recommendation.
The book is an eloquent, quietly argued and occasionally funny plea for reason and science on the subject of identity politics.
His other work is excellent too.
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Post by ThrobsBlackHat on Oct 22, 2019 14:51:51 GMT 1
You had a response. Eagerly awaiting your response to the response you requested. Despite the comment, a gypsy is not a race in my book. End of story.
Well I am glad that settles it!
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Post by davycrockett on Oct 22, 2019 14:57:41 GMT 1
You had a response. Eagerly awaiting your response to the response you requested. Despite the comment, a gypsy is not a race in my book. End of story. Where’s the ‘I’m amazed’ button??
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Post by Deleted on Oct 22, 2019 15:40:44 GMT 1
The simple fact people don't even know that Gypsy is a race is part of the problem. Spot on. But, let them learn the hard way.
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Post by Red Rose In Exile on Oct 22, 2019 16:19:42 GMT 1
The incident at Walsall train station was a result of btp having a power trip about public order. It was nothing to do with racism. Dont believe anybody was charged with racism. They were all Section 5 offences. No warnings were given at any time to desist either.
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Post by mattmw on Oct 22, 2019 16:46:54 GMT 1
Perhaps worth adding at this stage that it’s now quite simple to report incidents of discrimination via the links on the Kick It Out website www.kickitout.org/other-reporting-methodsWith improved mobile technology it’s easy to report and can include video and audio allowing the authorities to intervene without necessarily having to get involved yourself.
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Post by venceremos on Oct 22, 2019 17:31:33 GMT 1
You had a response. Eagerly awaiting your response to the response you requested. Despite the comment, a gypsy is not a race in my book. End of story. Your "book" doesn't count legally. End of story.
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Post by Red Rose In Exile on Oct 22, 2019 18:10:01 GMT 1
The simple fact people don't even know that Gypsy is a race is part of the problem. Spot on. But, let them learn the hard way. So education is the way forward rather than people learning the hard way surely. Your comment flies in the face of your 'footer': The aim of argument, or of discussion, should not be victory, but progress (Joseph Joubert)
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Post by Deleted on Oct 22, 2019 22:31:24 GMT 1
Spot on. But, let them learn the hard way. So education is the way forward rather than people learning the hard way surely. Your comment flies in the face of your 'footer': The aim of argument, or of discussion, should not be victory, but progress (Joseph Joubert) Some people clearly don't want to be educated though. So, you know...
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