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Post by SouthStandShrew on Oct 19, 2019 17:13:18 GMT 1
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Post by South Stand Salopian on Oct 19, 2019 17:17:05 GMT 1
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Post by zenfootball2 on Oct 19, 2019 17:41:07 GMT 1
very disapointing but the responce is what needs to happen , unfortently all the decent fans get penalised by a few bigots. let us see what the FA do about this.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 19, 2019 19:08:24 GMT 1
let us see what the FA do about this. fa!!
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Post by Deleted on Oct 19, 2019 20:25:50 GMT 1
I'm sure stutty will be along to tell us they should be allowed to continue in the competition.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 19, 2019 23:18:18 GMT 1
The onus is on Yeovil to voluntarily withdraw.
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Post by stuttgartershrew on Oct 20, 2019 7:39:16 GMT 1
I'm sure stutty will be along to tell us they should be allowed to continue in the competition. Are you waiting on my input again. Well as I know you are waiting, I shall not keep you waiting any longer. Here it is... Again I am not really comfortable with seeing a club, it management, its players and (as mentioned above) 99.9% of its support impacted by what could be the actions of only one or two individuals. I am sure they are all horrified with that has happened. You think that its fair that they all need to suffer as a result, I don't. And again, as I mentioned, I think kicking a club out should be the very last resort. I would hope the individuals who are guilty will be identified and dealt with accordingly. I would hope in a crowd and in an away support of that size they will be. Surely people know who they are. As for the club, lets see what happens but I have no issue if Yeovil are allowed to continue in the competition. Lets see what the FA deem to be appropriate. It may see Yeovil take the decision out of their hands anyhow. Bit weird at times vincent with you hanging on every word, waiting for me comment. Its all a bit...well, creepy.
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Post by wakemanender on Oct 20, 2019 14:42:06 GMT 1
I'm sure stutty will be along to tell us they should be allowed to continue in the competition. Are you waiting on my input again. Well as I know you are waiting, I shall not keep you waiting any longer. Here it is... Again I am not really comfortable with seeing a club, it management, its players and (as mentioned above) 99.9% of its support impacted by what could be the actions of only one or two individuals. I am sure they are all horrified with that has happened. You think that its fair that they all need to suffer as a result, I don't. And again, as I mentioned, I think kicking a club out should be the very last resort. I would hope the individuals who are guilty will be identified and dealt with accordingly. I would hope in a crowd and in an away support of that size they will be. Surely people know who they are. As for the club, lets see what happens but I have no issue if Yeovil are allowed to continue in the competition. Lets see what the FA deem to be appropriate. It may see Yeovil take the decision out of their hands anyhow. Bit weird at times vincent with you hanging on every word, waiting for me comment. Its all a bit...well, creepy. Would prefer to see it as hero worship.
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Post by South Stand Salopian on Oct 21, 2019 9:10:27 GMT 1
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Post by davycrockett on Oct 21, 2019 12:25:40 GMT 1
The onus is on Yeovil to voluntarily withdraw. Why’s that. Didn’t see Chelsea or any other club withdraw from anything when their fans were prosecuted for racism ..... Would expect them to fully cooperate with any investigation and ban any fans who are found guilty and also let the law come down hard.... disgusting behaviour that needs dealing with but can’t blame the club for a few idiots. Hope Yeovil don’t become scapegoats for something that’s a problem throughout the game... it they did Shrewsbury would have been punished many many times based on what Ive heard fairly regularly over the years... A fan was banned from safe standing only last year for racist behaviour.. no club fine no persecution just dealt with internally but this got the message across. Seem frome above report that Yeovil, probably their fans, have done their bit in identifying the guilty parties so should be congratulated not banned. I guess because they made the decision during the game to walk off with the Haringey players the FA will have to allow the game to be replayed or should they play 26 mins with Yeovil 1-0 up? What do the rules say?
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Post by accordingtome on Oct 21, 2019 13:39:45 GMT 1
John Nolan was getting racial abuse at Accrington yesterday. Clearly audible on t.v. " dirty ginger b'stard " or words to that effect.Surely that's racial as it involves colour or creed?Could easily have reported it and walked off; possibly forcing abandonment. Would the points have been awarded to Ipswich in this case? .Clearly we haven't got our own act together in this county
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Post by Deleted on Oct 21, 2019 14:12:02 GMT 1
John Nolan was getting racial abuse at Accrington yesterday. Clearly audible on t.v. " dirty ginger b'stard " or words to that effect.Surely that's racial as it involves colour or creed?Could easily have reported it and walked off; possibly forcing abandonment. Would the points have been awarded to Ipswich in this case? .Clearly we haven't got our own act together in this county Surely you’re not being serious ?
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Post by LetchworthShrew on Oct 21, 2019 16:02:40 GMT 1
Being replayed at Haringey week on Tuesday
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Post by stuttgartershrew on Oct 21, 2019 16:17:39 GMT 1
Being replayed at Haringey week on Tuesday Good. I think that is the right decision. And perhaps an opportunity to provide some focus to the "Kick It Out" campaign. I'm sure neither Haringey or Yeovil would have chosen to be at the centre of such attention but perhaps some good can come of it (I mean in addition to the actions of the players and the offenders being caught of course).
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Post by frankwellshrews on Oct 21, 2019 16:45:27 GMT 1
One of those rare times I agree with Stutty; it seems like the system worked essentially. 2 arrests made (note, innocent until proven guilty of course so shouldn't take anything for granted) but it looks like the abandonment and high profile nature of it has pushed Yeovil fans to cooperate with the club and police abd out those responsible. Job done, especially if it leads to stadium bans.
My view on this is we need to distinguish between mass acts of racism (groups audibly chanting, racist banners, shirts etc) which suggest that the club created an environment where racism was not challenged and lone individuals shouting abuse. The former is something clubs very much can control and these days most do. I think it's fair to impose some kind of club level punishment there.
The latter case though, you can't legislate for. It's not football's job, believe it or not, to stop people being racist. All we can reasonably expect of football clubs is that they take all reasonable steps to discourage this kind of behaviour and identify anyone who does anything illegal.
Expecting Yeovil to withdraw would also set a dangerous precedent; imagine it's a second round replay with the draw for the third already done and an away game at Old Trafford at stake for the winner. All you'd have to do is send someone in to the away end with a mission to getting the game stopped and Bob's your uncle.
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Post by accordingtome on Oct 21, 2019 18:44:14 GMT 1
John Nolan was getting racial abuse at Accrington yesterday. Clearly audible on t.v. " dirty ginger b'stard " or words to that effect.Surely that's racial as it involves colour or creed?Could easily have reported it and walked off; possibly forcing abandonment. Would the points have been awarded to Ipswich in this case? .Clearly we haven't got our own act together in this county Surely you’re not being serious ? not a case of whether I'm serious or not. Fact is that chant could easily be construed as racist in the eyes of the recipient . Similar story on another thread today 're. Biscuit tin.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 21, 2019 19:48:15 GMT 1
Surely you’re not being serious ? not a case of whether I'm serious or not. Fact is that chant could easily be construed as racist in the eyes of the recipient . Similar story on another thread today 're. Biscuit tin. ... and he would be wrong . It may not be acceptable for all kinds of reasons but calling someone a “ dirty ginger B “ is not racist. Sorry , but it isn’t !
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Post by Deleted on Oct 21, 2019 20:04:20 GMT 1
not a case of whether I'm serious or not. Fact is that chant could easily be construed as racist in the eyes of the recipient . Similar story on another thread today 're. Biscuit tin. ... and he would be wrong . It may not be acceptable for all kinds of reasons but calling someone a “ dirty ginger B “ is not racist. Sorry , but it isn’t ! I forgot to add that it could be construed as a hate crime . Whatever , I do wholeheartedly agree it is wrong and is not acceptable in any circumstance . Certainly in schools it is without doubt a form of bullying .
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Post by MartinB on Oct 21, 2019 22:11:10 GMT 1
... and he would be wrong . It may not be acceptable for all kinds of reasons but calling someone a “ dirty ginger B “ is not racist. Sorry , but it isn’t ! I forgot to add that it could be construed as a hate crime . Whatever , I do wholeheartedly agree it is wrong and is not acceptable in any circumstance . Certainly in schools it is without doubt a form of bullying . Hair colour is not a protected characteristic under the equality act so not discrimination.
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Post by martinshrew on Oct 22, 2019 10:01:27 GMT 1
Surely you’re not being serious ? not a case of whether I'm serious or not. Fact is that chant could easily be construed as racist in the eyes of the recipient . Similar story on another thread today 're. Biscuit tin. Absurd comment.
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Post by Minormorris64 on Oct 22, 2019 11:51:52 GMT 1
I forgot to add that it could be construed as a hate crime . Whatever , I do wholeheartedly agree it is wrong and is not acceptable in any circumstance . Certainly in schools it is without doubt a form of bullying . Hair colour is not a protected characteristic under the equality act so not discrimination. Myself being an oft bullied "ginger" at school, do dreadlocks count as a protected characteristic
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Post by staffordshrew on Oct 22, 2019 12:10:25 GMT 1
Hair colour is not a protected characteristic under the equality act so not discrimination. Myself being an oft bullied "ginger" at school, do dreadlocks count as a protected characteristic I may have old fashioned non-PC ideas, but I think I would find ginger dreadlocks offensive.
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