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Post by stuttgartershrew on Oct 19, 2019 7:50:07 GMT 1
Decent performance - competent and steady. confined to long range efforts on goal though. My worry is if one of the wing-backs becomes injured (Giles & Love, alongside O'Leary are the only ever-presents this season, highlighting their importance to the team) we will struggle to create. Not that I would want anyone to be injured of course but at the minute I'm of the mind that it might mean trying something new, which wouldn't be an altogether bad thing. I think we're already at the "struggle to create" bit. 10 goals in 11 games tells its own story, only Bolton are worse off when it comes to goals scored.
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Post by Feedo Gnasher on Oct 19, 2019 7:51:26 GMT 1
Really boring but we made sure we came out of the game with something.
We cannot play like that at home though.
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Post by Minormorris64 on Oct 19, 2019 8:10:12 GMT 1
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Post by Stowmarket Shrew on Oct 19, 2019 8:19:37 GMT 1
Despite the A1 and the A14 being closed I was back in Suffolk by 00:30. Having slept on it, that wasn't a bad point and far from the worst game I've ever seen. A few positives and a few negatives.
First half was pretty turgid. Fej and Cummings way off the pace and never got into the game. We looked solid and weren't really threatened but lacked width. Second half we found a little more width and finally started to run at them, and it had a positive effect. Thought we probably shaded the game overall and should never be too unhappy with a clean sheet and a point away at a team above you in the table. On the negative side we didn't really look like scoring and decent chances were few and far between. Fej slipped when offered a half chance in the first half, and Cummings lashed a shot high and wide first half. Second half a fabulous dipping free kick from Goss was actually quite easily saved and Beckles and Whalley both had half chances when the ball wouldn't drop for them. From my spot the sending off looked fair. The arm was high and there was a deliberate movement of the elbow into his face. The last 10 mins plus stoppages we bossed the game and the point looked assured by that stage but a little disappointing we weren't able to be a little more progressive in our play.
All in all, a point was fair and keeps us ticking over for our inevitable mid table finish, which after last season is no bad thing. It still feels like this team needs to gel. We lacked anyone in midfield who could make the killer pass, and far too often just went sideways rather than forward, and Cummings and Fej, while undoubtedly fine finishers, don't seem to get have the makings of a partnership.
A win Tuesday and this will seem a tidy little point, and even of we fail to win Tuesday this is no bad result.
Decent effort from the town fans and a great atmosphere too.
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Post by pughywasfree on Oct 19, 2019 8:30:59 GMT 1
On coach homeward bound. Enjoyed the game but most of that was due to the brilliant atmosphere in the Away end a decent turnout for a Friday evening and all in good voice as usual. Both sides pretty poor and lacked the ability to score. Laurent was the only one that came close but keeper saved. Laurent my MOM covered a lot of ground didn’t rest on his laurels and put plenty of effort in. That said an enjoyable game and glad I went. Hope we can score some goals and get a win on Tuesday and Saturday COYB But but but he was awful and should have been taken off after 60 minutes according to mark elliot
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Post by stuttgartershrew on Oct 19, 2019 9:04:16 GMT 1
It still feels like this team needs to gel. There were way too many times last night when players just weren't on the same wavelength. Little flicks here and there, simple balls to one another going astray resulting in the players looking to each other, questioning each other. And I just don't get that so far into the season and with so much time leading up to this game.
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Post by martinshrew on Oct 19, 2019 9:09:56 GMT 1
We camped in their half the whole second half but barely created anything. It would be nice if one of the midfielders got the ball and advanced FORWARDS into space. Too much side to side with an obsession that only Love can cross from the right and Giles from the left. Should've been trying to penetrate through their defence, especially when they went down to 10 men as the game was there for the taking.
That's only a half decent point if we win Tuesday for me.
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Post by vixenshrew on Oct 19, 2019 9:14:45 GMT 1
On coach homeward bound. Enjoyed the game but most of that was due to the brilliant atmosphere in the Away end a decent turnout for a Friday evening and all in good voice as usual. Both sides pretty poor and lacked the ability to score. Laurent was the only one that came close but keeper saved. Laurent my MOM covered a lot of ground didn’t rest on his laurels and put plenty of effort in. That said an enjoyable game and glad I went. Hope we can score some goals and get a win on Tuesday and Saturday COYB But but but he was awful and should have been taken off after 60 minutes according to mark elliot Well what does he know!!??🧐Laurent looked good from where I was sitting
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Post by Chief Inspector Swan on Oct 19, 2019 9:59:57 GMT 1
Despite the A1 and the A14 being closed I was back in Suffolk by 00:30. Having slept on it, that wasn't a bad point and far from the worst game I've ever seen. Despite Steep Hill in Lincoln having an angle that has to be seen to be believed, I was back home by 5am. I took a similar approach to you, if a route is “shut” it has to be used in any case. My Swan badge typically gets me out of any sticky situations lol. Having slept on it, it was a great point and Lincoln’s heady mix of latent cisgender bias and quasi-transphobia really produced a great evening for all concerned. As a law enforcement officer keen to promote diversity and inclusion, I attended ‘The Scene’ circa 3am to conduct a ‘meet and greet’. This was a local bar, marketed for homosexuals but apparently welcoming to all. Despite a misunderstanding with security inside the venue, where my Swan badge didn’t seem to work, I think we can say all is well. As a final thought on the subject of inclusivity: where in Humpty Dumpty does it ever say ze is an egg? Stop launching to conclusions you horrid bigots.
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Post by stfcfan87 on Oct 19, 2019 10:05:52 GMT 1
On coach homeward bound. Enjoyed the game but most of that was due to the brilliant atmosphere in the Away end a decent turnout for a Friday evening and all in good voice as usual. Both sides pretty poor and lacked the ability to score. Laurent was the only one that came close but keeper saved. Laurent my MOM covered a lot of ground didn’t rest on his laurels and put plenty of effort in. That said an enjoyable game and glad I went. Hope we can score some goals and get a win on Tuesday and Saturday COYB But but but he was awful and should have been taken off after 60 minutes according to mark elliot i don't remember him saying that he did question why 2 strikers were taken off for Udoh and Whalley, when we were ontop and i totally agree with him
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Post by shrewswolf on Oct 19, 2019 10:11:32 GMT 1
Mark Elliot gets such unfair stick for having an opinion. At least he justifies it. Lots of things on social media that I don’t think many could argue with.
I also thought Laurent was a waste of time. He had one late surge on the right side but still lost the ball in the end after great strength initially. I don’t remember anything else of note, so man of the match seems massively OTT. I’d try someone else there, we need someone who tries to go past flat lines of 4/5 way more than he does.
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Post by zenfootball2 on Oct 19, 2019 10:27:25 GMT 1
i am pleased with the draw , if we are to score more goals somthing needs to change. till january our forward options are udoh, cummings and ferjiri or you could play whalley up front which i dont think brings out the best of him.so as far as attaking options this is it. we do need to see a bit more from the midfielders we are missing the charging runs of docherty.
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Post by CopthorneShrew on Oct 19, 2019 12:23:44 GMT 1
What a dull performance and a waste of a Friday night. I like away days because of the banter & all round day out, but no way am I paying to watch that garbage at home.
If you were there, you will know that was utter dreadful, again. No ambition whatsoever - didn’t even try to win, and that comes from the Manager.
I feel for our strikers because they are getting absolutely no service whatsoever. The less said above Laurent & Love down that right hand side the better. I do not rate Laurent but he is being asked to come short for Love rather than pushing on - if you look at Mark Elliot’s tweets he is absolutely bang on.
It was summed up late on when we had a free kick which Pierre went up for - only for Norburn to play it short & leave AP horrendously out of position. The players do not know what they’re doing! Their instinct is to try and win but they are being held back by this clown in charge. League 1 is terrible this year & we are good enough to challenge - but not under this regime. Lincoln were hopeless and there for the taking.
Great to see the away end getting restless with our negative, boring, dark arts style of football.
Ricketts Out.
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Post by Exkeeper on Oct 19, 2019 14:04:32 GMT 1
What a dull performance and a waste of a Friday night. I like away days because of the banter & all round day out, but no way am I paying to watch that garbage at home. If you were there, you will know that was utter dreadful, again. No ambition whatsoever - didn’t even try to win, and that comes from the Manager. I feel for our strikers because they are getting absolutely no service whatsoever. The less said above Laurent & Love down that right hand side the better. I do not rate Laurent but he is being asked to come short for Love rather than pushing on - if you look at Mark Elliot’s tweets he is absolutely bang on. It was summed up late on when we had a free kick which Pierre went up for - only for Norburn to play it short & leave AP horrendously out of position. The players do not know what they’re doing! Their instinct is to try and win but they are being held back by this clown in charge. League 1 is terrible this year & we are good enough to challenge - but not under this regime. Lincoln were hopeless and there for the taking. Great to see the away end getting restless with our negative, boring, dark arts style of football. Ricketts Out. Perhaps you would prefer to have Mellon back - lots of Tranny fans are now saying that Shrews and Fleetwood fans were right that he can’t hack it L1 and would like him out. Ricketts is still relative new to this league and management, yet we are currently in our highest position for years except for one freak season under a manager who is currently flirting with relegation to the Conference and whose brand of football was often turgid and unambitious.
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Post by shrewswolf on Oct 19, 2019 14:17:57 GMT 1
What a dull performance and a waste of a Friday night. I like away days because of the banter & all round day out, but no way am I paying to watch that garbage at home. If you were there, you will know that was utter dreadful, again. No ambition whatsoever - didn’t even try to win, and that comes from the Manager. I feel for our strikers because they are getting absolutely no service whatsoever. The less said above Laurent & Love down that right hand side the better. I do not rate Laurent but he is being asked to come short for Love rather than pushing on - if you look at Mark Elliot’s tweets he is absolutely bang on. It was summed up late on when we had a free kick which Pierre went up for - only for Norburn to play it short & leave AP horrendously out of position. The players do not know what they’re doing! Their instinct is to try and win but they are being held back by this clown in charge. League 1 is terrible this year & we are good enough to challenge - but not under this regime. Lincoln were hopeless and there for the taking. Great to see the away end getting restless with our negative, boring, dark arts style of football. Ricketts Out. Perhaps you would prefer to have Mellon back - lots of Tranny fans are now saying that Shrews and Fleetwood fans were right that he can’t hack it L1 and would like him out. Ricketts is still relative new to this league and management, yet we are currently in our highest position for years except for one freak season under a manager who is currently flirting with relegation to the Conference and whose brand of football was often turgid and unambitious. Oh please, not this again. The defence under Ricketts has been fantastic 90% of the time but the similarities end there. Yes Hurst’s lot were hard to beat, but unambitious? We went to every team in the league, sat high up the pitch with wingers & pressed teams to death. We harried, we rattled, we went for it at the end - countless last minute winners. We weren’t always pretty but Whalley & Nolan often danced around teams once the rest of them had wore opponents into the ground. We didn’t even really try to win it last minute against 10 men last night! The entertainment levels do not even compare. The defence & squad does though. I think we really could be something good, but I’m not sure whether Ricketts is willing to even risk it, not even a little bit. And that might be a great shame. I’m not saying sack him. I’m not even saying that we aren’t ‘doing well’ but if the goals scored column stays the same then away followings & home are going to steadily decrease as the games go by.
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Post by Chief Inspector Swan on Oct 19, 2019 14:37:32 GMT 1
Is anyone else’s mind touching the f***ing void?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 19, 2019 16:55:20 GMT 1
My worry is if one of the wing-backs becomes injured (Giles & Love, alongside O'Leary are the only ever-presents this season, highlighting their importance to the team) we will struggle to create. Not that I would want anyone to be injured of course but at the minute I'm of the mind that it might mean trying something new, which wouldn't be an altogether bad thing. I think we're already at the "struggle to create" bit. 10 goals in 11 games tells its own story, only Bolton are worse off when it comes to goals scored. 10 goals in 11 games...and 4 of those goals came in one game against the team with the leakiest defence in the league! We certainly need a creative spark or two...where it's going to come from is anyone's guess!
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Post by Worthingshrew on Oct 19, 2019 17:23:13 GMT 1
I also thought Laurent was poor. Would like to see him drive into the box, but he always turns back.
Get Thompson in his place and see what he can do.
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Post by londonshrew75 on Oct 19, 2019 17:29:35 GMT 1
Ricketts doesn't understand what three at the back should actually be. Two of the three centre halfs (left and right side) should be able to slot in at left or right back during the game. Ours don't, as they are simply three centre backs (decent ones though). Love(who's class) and Giles are never 100% what to do in their minds as they are scared of getting to far up the pitch knowing that two of the centre halfs wint split to cover behind them. Sheffield United take it to another level as their back three are the wingers and the wing backs stay back ! Considering we scored 4 in one match and a pile driver in another, it's sorry reading in the attacking department. He won't change....
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Post by Mortgagehound on Oct 19, 2019 18:42:13 GMT 1
I thought Laurent put in a good shift last night
Giles was again poor, let’s replace him with Whalley and give the lad a rest. Whalley is the only player who can beat a man and cause problems. Equally think Thompson is another that can run at a defence.
I must have been at another game as I thought we played well and were good on the eye as far as entertainment.
Please don’t tell me we were exciting to watch under slitherer, with the exception of the first half at home to Bristol we were hard work to watch
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Post by quinnster on Oct 19, 2019 19:17:34 GMT 1
Thought it was a decent performance as an Away game, Lincoln be relieved at final whistle with only 10 men etc, except for their 2 disallowed goals. We bossed them with possession without the confidence to really go at them, plenty side passes and token shots but no real threat. Is a Striker target man going to be a mission for SR ?....wouldn't be surprised if not given his defensive ways. . give the likes of Shaun & Giles a focus.
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Post by Liam on Oct 19, 2019 19:36:07 GMT 1
s**t game, good support.
Any further analysis of last night's atmospheric snoozefest would be totally unnecessary.
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Post by jamo on Oct 19, 2019 19:47:53 GMT 1
Ordinarily, a point away from home is a job well done and to be welcomed.
But, and it’s a worrying but, Lincoln were shocking as a home team. Lacking ambition, intent and pressure. If ever a team were there for the beating it was them, and we couldn’t do it, in fact it is fair to say we never really came close to doing it.
We look so contrived when on the attack, slow, predictable and actually pretty easy to defend against.
Some will see our defensive solidity as progress. But it isn’t progress if it’s in isolation, and it will eventually cost us.
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Post by Feedo Gnasher on Oct 19, 2019 20:13:06 GMT 1
Ricketts clearly proud of the way the team performed, and we were effective (and repetitive) at dropping into shape and knocking the ball around which suggests he’s doing something right. But a pretty fundamental part of football is scoring a goal, and I can’t see how we are trying to score goals, bar opposition mistakes, set pieces or screamers.
Not overly concerned, and don’t share the same opinion on Ricketts as a Copthorne resident, but can’t help feeling we could be doing better. Maybe it’ll come, become hard to beat first and take it from there.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 19, 2019 20:24:55 GMT 1
Ricketts doesn't understand what three at the back should actually be. Two of the three centre halfs (left and right side) should be able to slot in at left or right back during the game. Ours don't, as they are simply three centre backs (decent ones though). Love(who's class) and Giles are never 100% what to do in their minds as they are scared of getting to far up the pitch knowing that two of the centre halfs wint split to cover behind them. Sheffield United take it to another level as their back three are the wingers and the wing backs stay back ! Considering we scored 4 in one match and a pile driver in another, it's sorry reading in the attacking department. He won't change.... Good job International professional football veteran and uefa licence holder Samuel Ricketts has coaching oracle's and harbingers of strategy like yourself to tell him how the system should be played.
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Post by tvor on Oct 19, 2019 21:01:23 GMT 1
Giles was again poor, let’s replace him with Whalley and give the lad a rest. Whalley is the only player who can beat a man and cause problems. You would play Whalley as a left wing back?
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Post by stfcfan87 on Oct 19, 2019 21:16:35 GMT 1
Not that I would want anyone to be injured of course but at the minute I'm of the mind that it might mean trying something new, which wouldn't be an altogether bad thing. I think we're already at the "struggle to create" bit. 10 goals in 11 games tells its own story, only Bolton are worse off when it comes to goals scored. 10 goals in 11 games...and 4 of those goals came in one game against the team with the leakiest defence in the league! We certainly need a creative spark or two...where it's going to come from is anyone's guess! It's actually 10 goals in 12 games! 4 came against an awful Southend team and 3 in 15 mins against Accrington - so 7 goals against 2 of the bottom 3, and 3 goals in the other 10 games.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 19, 2019 21:28:56 GMT 1
Of course. Much like Merlin Mark Elliot was saying last night about the goals scored column.
We obviously scored too many (to win) against Southend. And too few (for other points) in games like last night and earlier in the season.
Points column is the only one that matters. Puts us run of the mill so far on an upward trajectory since last season.
Progress.
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Post by wayahead on Oct 19, 2019 23:22:57 GMT 1
From what little we have seen of Thompson he looks like a bottle of pop; he has the skill, confidence and speed to turn defense into attack as quick as you like. I'm not that concerned about Laurent but if he is to make way, I wouldn't be disappointed if it was Thompson who was given the chance... I've nothing against Laurent, it's about the overall balance of the team. I think Thompson could link the midfield and the forwards better than what we are seeing at the moment, he would also get beyond the strikers into the box. It's certainly worth trying for a few games. What makes you think that in the very limited time Thompson has had on the pitch?
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Post by edgmond on Oct 20, 2019 0:29:49 GMT 1
Absolutely turgid stuff. 4 games I’ve attended and we’ve drawn three of them 0-0 with neither team looking like scoring. I actually don’t think any player is playing awful and nor are we a bad team but good god I have never been so bored watching Town in my life. The only time tonight we looked like we might have a bit of directness in the final third was for three minutes after Whalley came on but that soon fizzled out. The fact that he doesn’t start tells you all you need to know. No one seems to be trying to drive us on other than the fans who were absolutely magnificent. It’s not bad but it’s just sooooo ****ing dull, and when I say dull I mean ****ing dull. Zzzzzzzzzz There's a lot of this type of stuff on this thread. If people find a game like this boring then I can only assume they have been brought up on a diet of Premier League hype. Friday's game was a pretty typical L1 affair; it had its moments but was characterised more by mistakes than flowing one touch football. It's what you expect at this level. If you want something more entertaining/exciting then go and watch Liverpool or Man City. Watching L1 is not recommended for anyone with such a low boredom threshold. As a Town fan of over 50 years I have seen far worse than Friday's performance. We were really sloppy for the first 30 minutes and were lucky that Lincoln, for all their composure in that period, lacked a cutting edge. After that, there was some decent football played and we looked like the only team that might win it.
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