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Post by tdk on Aug 17, 2019 20:40:47 GMT 1
This is a quote from Debbie Jevans, EFL interim chairwoman in an interview with The Times.
Jevans also mentions that Dale, the new Bury chairman passed the owners and directors test.
She also states 'we are working night and day to give Bury a chance to survive'
Am I the only one that thinks the EFL should be trying to preserve the integrity of the league and not prop up failed clubs at the expense of the majority of the League?
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Post by ssshrew on Aug 17, 2019 20:44:20 GMT 1
No you’re not. I’m sick of it all. A bit more consideration and some praise for well run clubs wouldn’t go amiss.
If they’d applied their fit and proper rules in the first place the stupid woman wouldn’t have to wake up thinking about them. Not that I believe she does for one minute.
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Post by Liam on Aug 17, 2019 20:55:58 GMT 1
Yeah, frankly a serially bad club should be allowed to go to the wall.
There was a period in the early 2000s where this was solemnly reported in the media as "the death of the club".
It isn't. Its not like they won't be exist in some form, they'll just have to reform a few leagues lower and work their way back, as numerous clubs have successfully done. Accrington, Newport, Aldershot, etc, etc, etc.
If they can't get back in the league? Well, that's tough on them, but perhaps the club in question lacks the support to be sustainable at a professional level.
I'm no arch thatcherite, and I love English football tradition, but over the decades various clubs will inevitably rise and fall, based on the degree to which they're loved and followed. Stockport will be back. York will be back. If Portsmouth had gone bust, which they very nearly did, they wouldn't have" died", they'd just have had to spend a few years in the bush leagues.
I have no doubt they'd have been back in the League within 10 years, because they're big enough and their support and the culture of support in the town is big enough.
Bury? Well...erm...good luck and that, but they haven't really had the backing to be more than a Conference club in decades.
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Post by claphamshrew on Aug 17, 2019 21:15:58 GMT 1
Yeah, frankly a serially bad club should be allowed to go to the wall. There was a period in the early 2000s where this was solemnly reported in the media as "the death of the club". It isn't. Its not like they won't be exist in some form, they'll just have to reform a few leagues lower and work their way back, as numerous clubs have successfully done. Accrington, Newport, Aldershot, etc, etc, etc. If they can't get back in the league? Well, that's tough on them, but perhaps the club in question lacks the support to be sustainable at a professional level. I'm no arch thatcherite, and I love English football tradition, but over the decades various clubs will inevitably rise and fall, based on the degree to which they're loved and followed. Stockport will be back. York will be back. If Portsmouth had gone bust, which they very nearly did, they wouldn't have" died", they'd just have had to spend a few years in the bushh leagues. I have no doubt they'd have been back in the League within 10 years, because they're big enough and their support and the culture of support in the town is big enough. Bury? Well...erm...good luck and that, but they haven't really had the backing to be more than a Conference club in decades. Magnificent post; and one that should be firmly pushed under the nose of Ms Jevans. What the EFL and types like her fail to recognise is that the very glue and fabric that holds lower league football together is nothing about money and the search of success without consequences; it’s about being who you are, spending what you can, being run respectfully and achieving what you can within your means. That’s why we have so much pride in our lower league clubs; we don’t love our clubs for the winning, we don’t even love our clubs for getting promoted, we love our clubs because they are a representation of ourselves. Right now Bury as a club do not represent anything about their town or fans. They need to start again. God forbid if the same fate fell upon the Town I would feel the same.
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Post by ThrobsBlackHat on Aug 17, 2019 21:40:24 GMT 1
There is a flip side to all of this in that Bolton is an easy 3 points for whoever plays their youth team just now but will be a different proposition in a few weeks time when they have been able to sign a first team. That is patently unfair on everyone else.
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Post by thesensationaljt on Aug 17, 2019 22:32:54 GMT 1
Another thing about Bury going wallop Mrs Cockins, is that the home side lose a match date gate money. So they also get "fined" in an obscure way because of the Bury situation.
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Post by stfcfan87 on Aug 17, 2019 23:53:41 GMT 1
There is a flip side to all of this in that Bolton is an easy 3 points for whoever plays their youth team just now but will be a different proposition in a few weeks time when they have been able to sign a first team. That is patently unfair on everyone else. I've been saying that for a while tranmere hadn't picked up a point this season so far, got a 5-0 win today wycombe beat them too i think most people had both of those teams down towards the bottom in predictions, but they've both just been gifted 3 points, over other teams who haven't had the chance yet but will no doubt get a pretty full strength bolton team funded by new owners
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Post by venceremos on Aug 18, 2019 13:02:54 GMT 1
Good posts on here. I'm tired of the "poor Bury and Bolton" approach to this. They brought it on themselves. It's not the fans' fault but it's not their fault when their team's players make mistakes and lose a game either. It's the luck of who you support - and most of them weren't complaining very loudly when their clubs were overspending were they?
The integrity of the competition has already been compromised by allowing some clubs to be gifted 3 points. Who knows what the consequences of that could be? They won't be noticed.
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Post by bordersalopian on Aug 18, 2019 13:53:19 GMT 1
IF Bolton are kicked out of the league, then I’d expect all their results being overturned and the other 21 teams in League 1 being given 3-0 wins home and away as a result.
Bury are out of the equation...they’ll be of a historical note this time next week.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 18, 2019 14:12:44 GMT 1
IF Bolton are kicked out of the league, then I’d expect all their results being overturned and the other 21 teams in League 1 being given 3-0 wins home and away as a result. Bury are out of the equation...they’ll be of a historical note this time next week. If Bolton went then all previous results would be expunged and we would have a 44 match (42 with Bury) season. There would be no made up scores and no guaranteed 6 points for all the other teams.
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Post by staffordshrew on Aug 19, 2019 0:14:04 GMT 1
For her own sanity she needs to toughen up. When she wakes thinking about Bury and Bolton she needs to jump up, look in the mirror and shout "I love the smell of napalm in the morning", then do what has to be done. It really will be best for all parties, a clean, Dale free, sheet is required.
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