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Post by Scarecrow on Aug 17, 2019 17:20:21 GMT 1
Relief after Tuesday to get a clean sheet although I wish our keeper wouldn’t punch. Piers did a good job and Beckles seems to be growing in confidence which is good to see.
Love kept getting overrun but Giles was fantastic up until he seemed to pull his leg in the second half. The fact it took Rochdale to put three men on him after the break to try and stop him speaks volumes.
Edwards battled well as well as the new lad which is what you want to see.
Whalley never gives up does he? Really tried to take the game to Rochdale but Morrison seemed disinterested and doesn’t seem to want to make space for himself. Fey missed a sitter but got bullied off the ball when he came on after that which is a shame. We desperately need another striker to fill that number 9 shirt because that moment of quality in the final third is what we lacked today.
More positives than negatives but that striker needs to come in ASAP to just give us that spark.
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Post by mattmw on Aug 17, 2019 17:28:12 GMT 1
Relief after Tuesday to get a clean sheet although I wish our keeper wouldn’t punch. Piers did a good job and Beckles seems to be growing in confidence which is good to see. Love kept getting overrun but Giles was fantastic up until he seemed to pull his leg in the second half. The fact it took Rochdale to put three men on him after the break to try and stop him speaks volumes. Edwards battled well as well as the new lad which is what you want to see. Whalley never gives up does he? Really tried to take the game to Rochdale but Morrison seemed disinterested and doesn’t seem to want to make space for himself. Fey missed a sitter but got bullied off the ball when he came on after that which is a shame. We desperately need another striker to fill that number 9 shirt because that moment of quality in the final third is what we lacked today. More positives the negatives but that striker needs to come in ASAP to just give us that spark. Good summary I think. Either side could possibly have nicked a 1.0 win but overall neither us or Rochdale looked very good in the final third of the pitch Love Whalley’s effort and running around but if he is going to play in a front two think he needs to stay closer to Morrison. Its clear already Morrison ain’t going to do a lot of running so needs someone near him to feed of flicks and knocks through Much better defensively than against Rotherham but as the disallowed goal showed we are still liable to switch off and against better sides will get punished for that. Much better display than Rotherham game but 1 goal in four matches tells its own story
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Post by horse01 on Aug 17, 2019 17:30:50 GMT 1
Once again, the opposition had over 60% possession against us!!
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Post by shrewswolf on Aug 17, 2019 17:54:22 GMT 1
A truly astonishingly deep and passive first 30 minutes with Rochdale another side to add to the list that dominated the ball for long, long periods. I think it’s tactical because it was exactly the same against Dundee, MK & Portsmouth... that said, the midfield is sub standard in every game to date. I know some of that is unlucky - i.e. Norburn - but McCormick simply offers very little and Edwards similar though arguably poorer with the ball at his feet & a terrible lack of balance.. he’s always on his arse after some kind of tussle or tackle!
Goss started just as quietly and ineffectively as the other two but improved as the game went on, as did Town who ended the first half strongly & carried it into the first part of the 2nd half. We fashioned good enough chances to win the game in the end but a point is probably fair, funny really, considering how poor we were to begin with.
Whalley & Giles were outstanding. Levels above. Whalley doesn’t strictly play as a striker but if he didn’t go marauding we would be a scary level of boring. Giles is excellent 1 vs 1. Pierre and the back 3 generally good considering the lack of protection or quality in front of them.
So as before, something to work with but not enough about us with the current midfield. And we can’t keep starting games so much on the back foot with little to no intensity, it’s pathetic to watch.
Fejiri for Morison next time. He’s not had the best start and he missed a sitter but we know he scores a decent amount by getting in those positions, it will come.. I hope. Morison is simply unfit & shouldn’t be on the pitch or lazy & useless. The former I think, considering he was decent against Pompey and put a lot more in.
As for Ricketts. 4 points is an OK start, there are flashes but I don’t want to hear s**te post match excuses about gelling and learning. Football rarely has time for that and most teams have an influx of new faces. They’ve had numerous weeks to work on getting the wing backs forward & playing to the strikers strengths but we continue to have only 40% possession. Just admit there’s weakness that need addressing pronto.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 17, 2019 17:58:43 GMT 1
i think we were poor, but then I’m no expert!
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Post by Deleted on Aug 17, 2019 18:01:07 GMT 1
I thought Love had a decent game considering he found himself isolated at times . He stuck to his task well , came forward when he could and made a number of decent blocks . Edwards does get beaten too easily in certain situations but was o k . Beckles can be an accident waiting to happen , to my mind he can get caught far too often in possession . At times it doesn’t hurt to just clear the ball but his decision making is poor . They looked to come into the game during the second half which was disappointing ., Overall a point but it should have been 3 , we desperately need an out and out striker . 1 goal in how many matches ? The new lad Goss looked decent I thought. Onward and Upward then.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 17, 2019 18:06:37 GMT 1
Thought after dominating much of the opening to the second half we looked noticeably poorer when Morison went off.
Still a couple short namely Norburn and a striker.
Really hope Giles doesn't sustain any sort of bad injury this season.
Rochdale their usual decent footballing selves and with a better defence than they had last season they will trouble the top half.
More positives than negatives for me.
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Post by Scarecrow on Aug 17, 2019 18:07:29 GMT 1
I think people are being a bit harsh to the midfield today. The first 30 minutes we were getting dominated behind Love and Giles because the formation forces us to pull central defenders out wide. I don’t think we got outplayed through the centre, it’s just the formation which causes the problems.
I think we created enough chances, it’s poor finishing that cost us. Overhead kick from a well worked free kick, Morrison not getting enough contact from the free kick, Fey from 3 yards out missing the rebound. Giles and Love were getting balls in the box too. We still lack quality up front.
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Post by shrewsace on Aug 17, 2019 18:15:58 GMT 1
A truly astonishingly deep and passive first 30 minutes with Rochdale another side to add to the list that dominated the ball for long, long periods. I think it’s tactical because it was exactly the same against Dundee, MK & Portsmouth... that said, the midfield is sub standard in every game to date. I know some of that is unlucky - i.e. Norburn - but McCormick simply offers very little and Edwards similar though arguably poorer with the ball at his feet & a terrible lack of balance.. he’s always on his arse after some kind of tussle or tackle! Goss started just as quietly and ineffectively as the other two but improved as the game went on, as did Town who ended the first half strongly & carried it into the first part of the 2nd half. We fashioned good enough chances to win the game in the end but a point is probably fair, funny really, considering how poor we were to begin with. Whalley & Giles were outstanding. Levels above. Whalley doesn’t strictly play as a striker but if he didn’t go marauding we would be a scary level of boring. Giles is excellent 1 vs 1. Pierre and the back 3 generally good considering the lack of protection or quality in front of them. So as before, something to work with but not enough about us with the current midfield. And we can’t keep starting games so much on the back foot with little to no intensity, it’s pathetic to watch. Fejiri for Morison next time. He’s not had the best start and he missed a sitter but we know he scores a decent amount by getting in those positions, it will come.. I hope. Morison is simply unfit & shouldn’t be on the pitch or lazy & useless. The former I think, considering he was decent against Pompey and put a lot more in. As for Ricketts. 4 points is an OK start, there are flashes but I don’t want to hear s**te post match excuses about gelling and learning. Football rarely has time for that and most teams have an influx of new faces. They’ve had numerous weeks to work on getting the wing backs forward & playing to the strikers strengths but we continue to have only 40% possession. Just admit there’s weakness that need addressing pronto. Very much how I saw it, good post.
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Post by claphamshrew on Aug 17, 2019 18:21:19 GMT 1
Shrewswolf has absolutely nailed it. Probably the best post match analysis on here for some time.
It was an ugly performance but with a new striker and Laurent and Norburn back we should be optimistic.
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Post by RBA on Aug 17, 2019 18:24:06 GMT 1
I think people are being a bit harsh to the midfield today. The first 30 minutes we were getting dominated behind Love and Giles because the formation forces us to pull central defenders out wide. I don’t think we got outplayed through the centre, it’s just the formation which causes the problems. I think we created enough chances, it’s poor finishing that cost us. Overhead kick from a well worked free kick, Morrison not getting enough contact from the free kick, Fey from 3 yards out missing the rebound. Giles and Love were getting balls in the box too. We still lack quality up front. Agreed thought both the new lads looked good today-and Dave Edwards put in a shift too no doubt that we need another forward though also think its fair to say Rochdale looked a useful side mom for me was Giles Whalley as runner up
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Post by Exkeeper on Aug 17, 2019 18:34:19 GMT 1
I thought Love had a decent game considering he found himself isolated at times . He stuck to his task well , came forward when he could and made a number of decent blocks . Edwards does get beaten too easily in certain situations but was o k . Beckles can be an accident waiting to happen , to my mind he can get caught far too often in possession . At times it doesn’t hurt to just clear the ball but his decision making is poor . They looked to come into the game during the second half which was disappointing ., Overall a point but it should have been 3 , we desperately need an out and out striker . 1 goal in how many matches ? The new lad Goss looked decent I thought. Onward and Upward then. You saw the same game as me. Edwards seems to be worried about getting hurt, he tackles with Geoff Boycott’s “stick of rhubarb’ - put your weight through it for heaven’s sake. I thought Whalley was outstanding again, but one small criticism - he won’t use his left foot. He insists on using the outside of his right foot to cross, when he would get more power and accuracy with his left, if the ball is on that side of the body. We need Norburn and Ro-Shaun back as soon as possible and get the striker situation sorted then we will be fine.
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Post by RBA on Aug 17, 2019 18:52:50 GMT 1
did Whalley get trpped when he was booked or did he dive ?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 17, 2019 18:57:16 GMT 1
Considering the first 20-30 minutes I left happy enough overall. When we pressed and moved the ball around we looked dangerous. Rochdale passed the ball around well but other then the last 5-10 minutes it was just tippy tappy nonsense in the middle of the park and not going anywhere, considering they had more possession you could argue we actually looked more dangerous going forwards as we were more direct with our running, they seemed to think completed passes added up to goals! Clearly a decent side though.
Think Goss looks a real player, got better during the game and should improve with more football, you can tell he sees a pass and put some interesting balls in with his left. Giles will play at a higher level then this and Whalley continues to be our biggest threat season by season. I really appreciate what Morrison adds to the side but if we had a top striker alongside Whalley I think we win the game today, we’re just lacking a little something up there.
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Post by staffordshrew on Aug 17, 2019 18:59:58 GMT 1
i think we were poor, but then I’m no expert! Don't sell yourself short. You post on the B&A forum, therefore you must be an expert!
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Post by zenfootball2 on Aug 17, 2019 19:02:21 GMT 1
did Whalley get tried when he was booked or did he dive ? he tripped over and got booked , virtually same scenario with a player going down for Rochdake in the box no penalty no card
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Post by zenfootball2 on Aug 17, 2019 19:10:05 GMT 1
whilst we clearly lack a cutting edge in the box and we need to score more goals,we seem to concede a lot of possession which is going to happen with this formation if the wing backs cant go forward,ironically today giles was able to do that and created a lot of problems, i hope his ankle is ok as we cant afford to miss him.
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Post by wayahead on Aug 17, 2019 19:26:46 GMT 1
whilst we clearly lack a cutting edge in the box and we need to score more goals,we seem to concede a lot of possession which is going to happen with this formation if the wing backs cant go forward,ironically today giles was able to do that and created a lot of problems, i hope his ankle is ok as we cant afford to miss him. The formation has nothing to do with our lack of possession. The midfield is just not good enough right now. When we receive the ball we need to have players wanting it and wanting to take responsibility. The midfield 3 don't seem to want the ball. McCormick is not ready for this level, especially to be thrown into the deep end. The midfield at present give reasonable cover to the 3 at the back, but no link between them and the forwards.
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Post by stuttgartershrew on Aug 17, 2019 19:55:08 GMT 1
Thought Dale started the better side for sure, we started slowly but finally got a head of steam up from time to time and better deliveries into the box might have seen a goal. First half we were able to get behind Dale but each and every time, we weren't able to pick out a Town player. Was disappointed with the deliveries into the area throughout to be honest. Whether in open play or set pieces. Morison must be wondering why he bothered to be honest. We bring a player like that and yet seem to have not interest in utilising him for what he is, a target man. Felt for him when he was subbed, he's getting nothing to work with. And at times we look reluctant to delivery the ball in, perhaps because it's normally only the one forward to aim for...Whalley seemed to be playing more wide than central. Meaning, again, we were lacking in numbers in the middle.
I guess we have to wait until everyone is back and when he has sorted out everything in the market but when I look to that today, I'm just not sure what Ricketts is looking to do and whatever he is looking to do, the players seem uncomfortable with what is being asked of them, unable to delivery it.
The fact that we are using Whalley up top because we know he is a stand out sums it up for me, he should be out wide. Its round pegs in square holes.
We look OK defensively. We look so short of attacking options. Average at best from the two games I have seen so far. But early days of course.
Thumbs up to the South Stand again, enjoyed the atmos today...
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Post by Deleted on Aug 17, 2019 20:31:37 GMT 1
There are several ways to look at today.
But, the majority view I heard today is that we drew 0-0 with Rochdale at home.
And they were the better side.
My own personal view is, I don't mind being a mid-table team, but blimey, at least entertaining about it.
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Post by darkshrew on Aug 17, 2019 20:51:01 GMT 1
First 30 minutes was even, next 30 minutes we were clearly on top, final 30 minutes we looked ropey. That coincided with Morison being bone idle in the first thirty, livening up in the next 30 and then being subbed off. We need a striker !!! for an outlet if nothing else.
O'Leary - 6 - Fortunate with some blocks and wayward shooting, but looked solid enough although with an increasing tendency to punch that got a bit worrying. Love - 8 - Excellent game, really starting to like him - good defending and always available going forward. Beckles - 6 - a couple of mistakes in him, but generally ok with some Grandison-esque touches and tries his heart out. Ebanks Landell - 6 - odd mistake, but generally solid Pierre - 9 - fantastic runs forward and very solid defensively - the new Tommy Lynch ? Giles - 7 - good game, good player - would like to see him take on players more. Goss - 6 - Solid game given he joined at the end of the week - much better corners and freekicks than Whalley, much better option that Rowland or Walker - did not look out of place at all. Edwards - 8 - Covered a lot of ground getting in to the box and tracking back, some great flicks. McCormick - 7 - Best game so far for me - did not look out of place. Morrison - 5 - Was not in the game at all for the first 30 minutes, then some great touches and he tried a bit more. Whalley - 7 - Just like on Tuesday he chased everything.
Thompson - 5 - was expecting more, a bit anonymous. Okenabhirie - 5 - could not get in the game and was a bit unlucky - looked like he missed a sitter and felt he got pulled down in the box later on (maybe VAR would have helped) but he tried to stay upright and it knocked him off balance.
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Post by Mortgagehound on Aug 17, 2019 21:13:40 GMT 1
Firstly I thought Rochdale were good on the eye and played some really good football. Ball always on the deck and players always getting into space to receive the ball and bomb forward. I predict they will have a decent season.
On the other hand, like Pompey, they found it difficult to break us down in the final third. We will be difficult to beat this season. Our keeper had just the one save to make in the second half.
Salop pressed well at times and created the better goal scoring chances. If we took our chances we win.
Whalley outstanding along with young Giles. We might have found a decent dead ball taker in Goss. Love put a good shift in.
My concern is the forwards particularly Morison...... in my view he did nowt.
Next up Stanley
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Post by northwestman on Aug 17, 2019 21:25:14 GMT 1
My concern is the forwards particularly Morison...... in my view he did nowt. My concern too. A repeat performance of Tuesday on his part. Fejiri has been a disappointment so far too, but with Udoh injured and probably not ready for League 1 yet anyway, Morison and Fejiri have no competition for their places, unless Whalley is played out of position up front. I'd suggest we need 2 forwards in a.s.a.p. 1 isn't enough.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 17, 2019 21:36:23 GMT 1
My concern is the forwards particularly Morison...... in my view he did nowt. My concern too. A repeat performance of Tuesday on his part. Fejiri has been a disappointment so far too, but with Udoh injured and probably not ready for League 1 yet anyway, Morison and Fejiri have no competition for their places, unless Whalley is played out of position up front. I'd suggest we need 2 forwards in a.s.a.p. 1 isn't enough. And that’s exactly what Ricketts hinted at in his post match interview - won’t be surprised to see at least 1 striker in over the next few days and another to follow
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Post by Mortgagehound on Aug 17, 2019 21:52:14 GMT 1
Just an observation about share of possession.
I note that Blackpool beat oxford today with 34% possession and Newport turned over Plymouth with just 27%
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Post by SeanBroseley on Aug 17, 2019 22:05:29 GMT 1
Rochdale were the better team and we had the better individuals. Where ever Rochadale finish this season we shouldn't be far behind.
On the whole I think Ricketts' recruitment has been good this summer.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 18, 2019 0:37:13 GMT 1
Rochdale were the better team and we had the better individuals. Where ever Rochadale finish this season we shouldn't be far behind. On the whole I think Ricketts' recruitment has been good this summer. Yes , I have to agree. Ricketts’ has brought in some decent players no doubt . Not a bad start overall with only 1 goal scored but 1 against . We are working hard all over the pitch and if we can get in a couple of decent strikers I think we can seriously challenge for a play off place. Whatever , it’s very early days but can’t really complain so far about our League performances .
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Post by accordingtome on Aug 18, 2019 7:16:01 GMT 1
Rochdale were the better team and we had the better individuals. Where ever Rochadale finish this season we shouldn't be far behind. On the whole I think Ricketts' recruitment has been good this summer. [/qurote] Rochdale will finish 20th
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Post by shrewd67 on Aug 18, 2019 7:46:06 GMT 1
Regrettably Edwards isn’t contributing enough. His strength used to be late runs into the box, it appears his legs have gone and this taken this away from his game. He tries hard but does get overrun in midfield. I’d bring in Thompson for Edwards and when Norburn’s fit I’d bring him in for McCormick.
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