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Post by El Huracán!!!! on Aug 14, 2019 10:43:30 GMT 1
Just in case anyone missed the stats I put up on Twitter and Facebook.
That was the WORST EVER HOME DEFEAT in the League Cup Last night (previous to that it was another loss to Rotherham in the 1965/66 season by 3 goal margin)
Include the FA cup and its the joint worst with the two home losses 4-0 to Chelsea and Liverpool (Slightly better opposition)
Historically bad cup result all in all!
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Post by venceremos on Aug 14, 2019 10:50:52 GMT 1
Looking at those goals, Ebanks-Landell's defending for the first two is very poor, nothing to do with Waterfall (and shame on the few who cheered his substitution because of injury) or Beckles. Murphy doesn't look too good for the 2nd and 3rd goals either.
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Post by venceremos on Aug 14, 2019 10:51:32 GMT 1
Just in case anyone missed the stats I put up on Twitter and Facebook. That was the WORST EVER HOME DEFEAT in the League Cup Last night (previous to that it was another loss to Rotherham in the 1956/66 season by 3 goal margin) Include the FA cup and its the joint worst with the two home losses 4-0 to Chelsea and Liverpool (Slightly better opposition) Historically bad cup result all in all! 1956/66 must have been a long, hard season.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 14, 2019 10:58:29 GMT 1
I make that 13 goals scored in our last 16 home games. Grim.
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Post by tvor on Aug 14, 2019 11:01:33 GMT 1
Looking at those goals, Ebanks-Landell's defending for the first two is very poor, nothing to do with Waterfall (and shame on the few who cheered his substitution because of injury) or Beckles. Murphy doesn't look too good for the 2nd and 3rd goals either. Beckles could be faulted for being beaten in the air at the back post for the Rotherham third but look at the space EEL and Pierre gave Ladapo inside the six yard box.
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Post by tvor on Aug 14, 2019 11:11:24 GMT 1
As a few have said, it's a big game on Saturday now. A result and a performance are required and then this will be forgotten about fairly quickly. It's a bit early to say the pressure is on but these next three games against sides we should be expected to comfortably compete with are important to keep our early season going in the right direction.
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Post by thesensationaljt on Aug 14, 2019 11:24:09 GMT 1
The trouble is, for those people trying to run buses and encourage people to re-engage with the club after an absence, or get new supporters who only look at results and have no idea of what team was put out, how disheartening is that? Our bus was a cauldron of discontent last night on the way home.
I'm still feeling grumpy this morning. I've been going over what tactics Ricketts must have used to motivate the players.
"Right, Centre Backs, leave a hole a bus could drive through in the middle of the park. No tackling now, these were a Championship side last season, maximum respect. Murphs, here's the superglue to keep you tied to the line. Don't put any on your legs, they'll need to be open for when the ball comes. Now I've had a sneaky peep in their dressing room. They'll run out as if they're playing in their usual red, but that's just training tops. They'll be playing in the away strip of white shirts. I must admit that caught me out. So lie deep and let's see plenty of aimless fly-hacks up field to lure them in to our trap. Then when they attack and we get the ball back.........well just fly hack the thing back up the field again. Me and Barra will sort something out. And remember, these were a Championship side last season, maximum respect".
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Post by El Huracán!!!! on Aug 14, 2019 11:33:12 GMT 1
Are you for real that people moaning about a historically bad 4-0 loss in the League cup would be moaning as much had we won 4-0
Mental.
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Post by shrewsace on Aug 14, 2019 11:44:39 GMT 1
Had we played a full strength side last night and Rotherham turned up with kids and we’d beat them 4-0 and lost a first teamer with an injury Everyone who has moaned on this thread Would have moaned on this thread Save the moans for when I matters I say I was actually impressed by our singers late on when they started singing properly and getting behind the town even at 4-0 down but then spoilt it by asking for their money back Lads work on the decent songs , it sounded like it has potential Eh? Creating an alternative version of events that couldn't be more different to what transpired last night and then criticising fans for what you assume would be their reaction to this flight of fantasy? 😂😂😂 And the League Cup doesn't matter? Maybe if you've got a Champions League campaign to worry about, not when you're a club that finished last season in the lower reaches of League One.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 14, 2019 11:54:59 GMT 1
Had we played a full strength side last night and Rotherham turned up with kids and we’d beat them 4-0 and lost a first teamer with an injury Everyone who has moaned on this thread Would have moaned on this thread Save the moans for when I matters I say I was actually impressed by our singers late on when they started singing properly and getting behind the town even at 4-0 down but then spoilt it by asking for their money back Lads work on the decent songs , it sounded like it has potential
So the manager makes 8 changes, we lose 4-0 at home (our record home defeat in this competition) against a team in our own league but now isn't the time to moan. When is???
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Post by Scarecrow on Aug 14, 2019 12:08:32 GMT 1
There's no excuse for the performance last night. Even with some rotation you can't wave away getting absolutely battered and getting your tactics so wrong that Rotherham score 2 inside the opening 3 minutes. I was actually more angry this morning listening to Ricketts post match casually dismiss the game suggesting that at least some of the younger lads had a good game. No apology whatsoever for getting an absolute drumming. Let's not pretend this is a complete second team either, both Faye and Morrison are first teamers in their own right and the team last night was an embarrassment. I expected an apology and instead we get lectured on the positives. Fans still payed money for that last night and he came across like he couldn't give a toss.
I think the South Stand spoke volumes with the boos at the end and demanding their money back. Some on here need to get a grip if they honestly think that performance last night is acceptable in any way.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 14, 2019 12:17:18 GMT 1
Disappointing result without doubt. I think Rotherham are a better team than us anyway so fully expected to lose but it's the fact we made eight changes for what is still an important cup competition for us and could have led to increased revenues with a decent run. Feels like we wanted to lose that game.
Big game on Saturday v Rochdale. Win and there'll probably be a renewed optimism (similar to after the Pompey game), lose and Sam will be facing some early season discontent (if he isn't already).
Either way, I won't be jumping to too many rash comments (there have been a lot on social media in the past 18 hours, nature of the beast i guess) at this stage. With a lot of new faces in the camp (and I expect one or two more movements before the transfer window closes) it will take some time for the team to gel.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 14, 2019 12:37:37 GMT 1
I’ll put my head above the trenches and likely get shot at from all directions but prior to last night the first team squad had 6 missing through injury - Shaun Williams, Ryan Sears, Oliver Norburn, Josh Laurent, Lennell John Lewis & Daniel Udoh, we can now add Luke Waterfall & Scott Golbourne to the list. That’s 7 players unavailable for selection prior to kick off last night (Eisa omitted due to impending transfer) and now 9 missing prior to kick off vs Rochdale. I can understand Ricketts reasoning for his selection and though understanding supporters frustration and anger also feel that the league is far more important and if the manager backs up last nights defeat with a win on Saturday then things won’t seem so bad, especially if he can add to the now heavily depleted squad All true, but it just proves that we lack any strength in depth. That's the real issue at the moment, that and a square peg in a round hole formation.
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Post by wakemanender on Aug 14, 2019 12:38:28 GMT 1
Really disappointing how all football clubs appear to have devalued cup competitions by playing weakened teams. There is good money to be made especially for the lower league teams even for getting through a round never mind whether or not you get a big draw in the next round. If you've got injuries fair enough but players rested this early in the season is a poor excuse. If players cannot play two games in a week occasionally they shouldn't be in the game. There is a few quid to be made even for getting through the checkatrade rounds. Perhaps we have too much money in the bank. Im sure Macclesfield were delighted to get through last night and the extra money will make a great difference.
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Post by vixenshrew on Aug 14, 2019 12:45:40 GMT 1
Are you for real that people moaning about a historically bad 4-0 loss in the League cup would be moaning as much had we won 4-0 Mental. Since Pilch has become a member of the vip club he’s become very defensive of his bessy mate Rickets and thinks he’s the headmaster of B&A. Get real pilch your just like the rest of us.
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Post by Mortgagehound on Aug 14, 2019 12:47:50 GMT 1
Sheffield Wednesday at home in the second round would have been a game worth looking forward to.........wouldn't it Sam?
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Post by Chief Inspector Swan on Aug 14, 2019 12:59:02 GMT 1
Sheffield Wednesday at home in the second round would have been a game worth looking forward to.........wouldn't it Sam? No, already played them very recently. I had such a hangover my doctor called me the next day and said the test results had come back with bad news. I was L.A.D. positive.
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Post by Pilch on Aug 14, 2019 13:27:24 GMT 1
Are you for real that people moaning about a historically bad 4-0 loss in the League cup would be moaning as much had we won 4-0 Mental. Since Pilch has become a member of the vip club he’s become very defensive of his bessy mate Rickets and thinks he’s the headmaster of B&A. Get real pilch your just like the rest of us. Not sure what moaning about yesterday achieves though I moaned pre season saying fejiri isn’t up to the task and yet some people still think he’s the man , we all see it different ways , i might not be headmaster but you certainly are a school kid Rickets tried some kids and it backfired Many teams do the same in the cup It’s never popular with fans but it happens End of story We dominated a game at this stage last season and then threw it away, gutted as we missed out on a 9-0 hammering later in the comp It’s all about Saturday now
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Post by Deleted on Aug 14, 2019 13:34:10 GMT 1
I’ll put my head above the trenches and likely get shot at from all directions but prior to last night the first team squad had 6 missing through injury - Shaun Williams, Ryan Sears, Oliver Norburn, Josh Laurent, Lennell John Lewis & Daniel Udoh, we can now add Luke Waterfall & Scott Golbourne to the list. That’s 7 players unavailable for selection prior to kick off last night (Eisa omitted due to impending transfer) and now 9 missing prior to kick off vs Rochdale. I can understand Ricketts reasoning for his selection and though understanding supporters frustration and anger also feel that the league is far more important and if the manager backs up last nights defeat with a win on Saturday then things won’t seem so bad, especially if he can add to the now heavily depleted squad All true, but it just proves that we lack any strength in depth. That's the real issue at the moment, that and a square peg in a round hole formation. Nick - could it be argued that the extended transfer deadline for lower league clubs has actually hindered clubs like us who are still searching for players. Any other season previous and players/squads would be in situ, that most definitely is not the case for us as we are light and found wanting in several positions
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Post by venceremos on Aug 14, 2019 14:18:26 GMT 1
Had we played a full strength side last night and Rotherham turned up with kids and we’d beat them 4-0 and lost a first teamer with an injury Everyone who has moaned on this thread Would have moaned on this thread Save the moans for when I matters I say I was actually impressed by our singers late on when they started singing properly and getting behind the town even at 4-0 down but then spoilt it by asking for their money back Lads work on the decent songs , it sounded like it has potential
So the manager makes 8 changes, we lose 4-0 at home (our record home defeat in this competition) against a team in our own league but now isn't the time to moan. When is??? When he makes no changes and we lose 4-0 at home?
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Post by venceremos on Aug 14, 2019 14:19:50 GMT 1
All true, but it just proves that we lack any strength in depth. That's the real issue at the moment, that and a square peg in a round hole formation. Nick - could it be argued that the extended transfer deadline for lower league clubs has actually hindered clubs like us who are still searching for players. Any other season previous and players/squads would be in situ, that most definitely is not the case for us as we are light and found wanting in several positions We've only reverted to the old end-August deadline. You could argue that it helps clubs because we've had chance to play a few games and see what else we need!
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Post by Minormorris64 on Aug 14, 2019 17:11:33 GMT 1
My first League Cup memory is getting dumped 6-1 by Walsall !
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Post by quinnster on Aug 14, 2019 17:56:54 GMT 1
All those changes 1st team, yet as a new squad this game could been a great opportunity to test out against decent opposition without "league" pressure. It was the attitude and lack of urgency, this wasn't the Checkatrade. More pressure on SR now with Rochdale on Saturday. Was impressed with Rotherham, and great spirit in Safe Stand flag platoons, who put on a great show of unity and a practice for the league games.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 14, 2019 18:00:34 GMT 1
All true, but it just proves that we lack any strength in depth. That's the real issue at the moment, that and a square peg in a round hole formation. Nick - could it be argued that the extended transfer deadline for lower league clubs has actually hindered clubs like us who are still searching for players. Any other season previous and players/squads would be in situ, that most definitely is not the case for us as we are light and found wanting in several positions I think there are advantages and disadvantages. I see your point, but an advantage is that if a key play had a major injury last night, we could get a replacement. Ven makes a good point and I think another advantage is that come the 4th week of the season, some decent players maybe become available who, for varius reasons, can't get in their team and need football.
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Post by shrewsace on Aug 14, 2019 18:05:55 GMT 1
Bad as last night's result was, don't I recall us losing 6-1 at Wolves in the League Cup circa 1991?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 14, 2019 18:40:44 GMT 1
Bad as last night's result was, don't I recall us losing 6-1 at Wolves in the League Cup circa 1991? 91/92 back in the two leg days. We beat them 3-1 in the 2nd leg at GM.
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Post by northwestman on Aug 14, 2019 19:03:55 GMT 1
This game must have been one of the easiest that the match referee has ever had to officiate!
No bookings, and not one tackle that ever came close to getting one. Rotherham were more or less allowed to carry on with passing us off the park, whilst the lack of effort put in by most of our lot made it look like either a training session or a pre-season friendly.
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Post by Feedo Gnasher on Aug 14, 2019 19:11:57 GMT 1
This game must have been one of the easiest that the match referee has ever had to officiate! No bookings, and not one tackle that ever came close to getting one. Rotherham were more or less allowed to carry on with passing us off the park, whilst the lack of effort put in by most of our lot made it look like either a training session or a pre-season friendly. You say that and yet he still missed a clear penalty on Whalley!
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Post by shrewsace on Aug 14, 2019 19:20:24 GMT 1
Bad as last night's result was, don't I recall us losing 6-1 at Wolves in the League Cup circa 1991? 91/92 back in the two leg days. We beat them 3-1 in the 2nd leg at GM. Yeah, went to the second leg, was a bit of a non-event given how things went at Molineux!
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Post by darkshrew on Aug 14, 2019 19:31:10 GMT 1
This game must have been one of the easiest that the match referee has ever had to officiate! No bookings, and not one tackle that ever came close to getting one. Rotherham were more or less allowed to carry on with passing us off the park, whilst the lack of effort put in by most of our lot made it look like either a training session or a pre-season friendly. He booked Rowley for the tackle on their keeper in the second half - the keeper claimed that Rowley caught him after he'd kicked the ball away and made a bit of a meal of it.
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