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Post by northwestman on Aug 15, 2019 18:06:37 GMT 1
Yes, it now looks like we should bring in another CB as well as a midfield player(s) and a striker(s).
Beckles should be no more than a bench warmer. Far too many mistakes in him.
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Post by salop27 on Aug 15, 2019 18:21:08 GMT 1
The club statement sounds like we've paid him off to leave? Or am I reading it wrong...
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Post by Northwest Shrew on Aug 15, 2019 18:27:47 GMT 1
Another bizarre decision... with ro Shaun injured.. Beckles steps in.. we have no centre backs on the bench...? Except its not though. Its a player in a position where we have improved upon considerably who was picking up substantial wages. Instead we will have paid a mediocre pay off sum to clear a big earner off the books. He goes and plays first team football. We have cover for the back 3 of walker, vincelot, love and i'd guess Golborne who can slot in there. Why do we always shoot ourselves in the foot!!? We didn’t need to get rid of waterfall for financial reasons, Back 3 of golbourne walker and love.. absolut suicide
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Post by masshrop on Aug 15, 2019 18:29:36 GMT 1
no your right club will have had to pay him up or at least part of it , that's how it works , good move for all parties , capable of getting 10 goals from set plays in that league
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Post by Deleted on Aug 15, 2019 18:30:06 GMT 1
Except its not though. Its a player in a position where we have improved upon considerably who was picking up substantial wages. Instead we will have paid a mediocre pay off sum to clear a big earner off the books. He goes and plays first team football. We have cover for the back 3 of walker, vincelot, love and i'd guess Golborne who can slot in there. Why do we always shoot ourselves in the foot!!? We didn’t need to get rid of waterfall for financial reasons, Back 3 of golbourne walker and love.. absolut suicide And you know the in's and out's of the clubs P&L account do you?
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Post by GrizzlyShrew on Aug 15, 2019 18:30:46 GMT 1
Except its not though. Its a player in a position where we have improved upon considerably who was picking up substantial wages. Instead we will have paid a mediocre pay off sum to clear a big earner off the books. He goes and plays first team football. We have cover for the back 3 of walker, vincelot, love and i'd guess Golborne who can slot in there. Why do we always shoot ourselves in the foot!!? We didn’t need to get rid of waterfall for financial reasons, Back 3 of golbourne walker and love.. absolut suicide All SR signings - he has got to start taking the responsibility sometime soon. Only good results going to keep him in the job now.
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Post by Northwest Shrew on Aug 15, 2019 18:44:11 GMT 1
Why do we always shoot ourselves in the foot!!? We didn’t need to get rid of waterfall for financial reasons, Back 3 of golbourne walker and love.. absolut suicide And you know the in's and out's of the clubs P&L account do you? Yea.. they’re made public.......?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 15, 2019 19:02:34 GMT 1
Love will prove to be a very good signing, Golbourne when fit is an adequate back up and Walker is a midfielder - Waterfall was everybody’s scapegoat when he played and made an error, now he’s gone he’s just another stick to beat Ricketts with. Just trust the manager and question him and his decisions when he has completed his squad rebuild and everybody is fit etc
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Post by mrbunny on Aug 15, 2019 19:15:40 GMT 1
Love will prove to be a very good signing, Golbourne when fit is an adequate back up and Walker is a midfielder - Waterfall was everybody’s scapegoat when he played and made an error, now he’s gone he’s just another stick to beat Ricketts with. Just trust the manager and question him and his decisions when he has completed his squad rebuild and everybody is fit etc Seems mad that 3 games into the new season the same people who were wanting the manager out last season are adamant he has to go now. Trouble is their hero Hurst is proving a bigger turkey for the 2nd time in 12 months. Guess they will all call for Sol Campbell instead. Wait to see who we get in before the window closes and give that squad a few months to gel. Then we can discuss whether Ricketts was right or wrong but at least give the guy a chance even if Tuesday was horrible.
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Post by chameleon on Aug 15, 2019 19:20:52 GMT 1
Yes completely agree,let’s give this new squad a bit of time to gel.
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Post by masshrop on Aug 15, 2019 19:22:27 GMT 1
campbell will have got a job lined up , too early to pull plug on sr but if lose saturday natives will be restless, not convinced by any of his signings so far williams apart and maybe giles.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 15, 2019 19:46:48 GMT 1
Yes completely agree,let’s give this new squad a bit of time to gel. Isn't that what pre season is for? Instead we will soon be 4 games into the new season and the new squad now needs even more work on it. Crazy.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 15, 2019 20:07:14 GMT 1
And you know the in's and out's of the clubs P&L account do you? Yea.. they’re made public.......? And right now, this very second you know that financially we should keep a defender that manager doesn't want, who picks up a hefty wage?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 15, 2019 20:08:03 GMT 1
campbell will have got a job lined up , too early to pull plug on sr but if lose saturday natives will be restless, not convinced by any of his signings so far williams apart and maybe giles. The performances of Aaron Pierre completely passed you by then, or o' Leary...?
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Post by gtismygod on Aug 15, 2019 20:14:20 GMT 1
We have cover for the back 3 of walker, vincelot, love and i'd guess Golborne who can slot in there. My word. Can you imagine any of those three playing centre-half? It would be an absolute horror show. Fully expect SR to bring in a couple of big centre-halves before the end of the month.
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Post by cheggersdrinkspop on Aug 15, 2019 20:31:30 GMT 1
Good luck to Luke Waterfall who was a good honest pro in a below average team, and a man who you would have in your trench anytime. Shame about the witch hunt that some had for him on here and I am sure they have their next victim lined up on the basis of their expert coaching experience. He doesn't fit the current managers set up so like many players needs a job elsewhere, happens day in day out.
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Post by masshrop on Aug 15, 2019 21:00:26 GMT 1
no pierre not passed me by just not convinced , take his 80 mins tuesday night for instance , keeper have to agree looks a good signing , think we going to need him ✅
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Post by tvor on Aug 15, 2019 23:23:07 GMT 1
I wonder if the Grant situation has affected the decisions regarding Waterfall and Eisa today?
That is, a possible need to free up space in the budget to allow for new signings by moving other players on because we are still paying Grant's wages, with him likely to be one of the higher earners at the club.
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Post by Northwest Shrew on Aug 16, 2019 6:52:33 GMT 1
Yea.. they’re made public.......? And right now, this very second you know that financially we should keep a defender that manager doesn't want, who picks up a hefty wage? How much was he on?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 16, 2019 8:30:32 GMT 1
Waterfalls departure probably cost the club very little in severance pay - the deal was likely based on Grimsby taking on the remainder of his contract that he had with us
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Post by essexshrew on Aug 16, 2019 9:25:05 GMT 1
Waterfalls departure probably cost the club very little in severance pay - the deal was likely based on Grimsby taking on the remainder of his contract that he had with us Agree - if anything we probably contributed some of the difference between his wages here and what grimsby are paying him. Very much doubt we have paid 100% of his wages for the remainder of his contract
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Post by Deleted on Aug 16, 2019 9:45:33 GMT 1
And right now, this very second you know that financially we should keep a defender that manager doesn't want, who picks up a hefty wage? How much was he on? Evidently enough to warrant us paying him on nominal fee to clear the rest of his contract off the books. If there's one thing the club cannot be criticised on is the discipline and organisation of the clubs finances.
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Post by jacksdad on Aug 16, 2019 9:57:16 GMT 1
I wish Waterfall all the best at Grimsby. He’s a good honest lower league pro, great in the air but sadly lacking pace however, he always gave 100% even when others around him clearly weren’t last season.
I’m not sad to see him leave because he struggles at League 1 level however, I recognise he put a shift in for us so hope he does well in back in Lincolnshire.
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Post by Northwest Shrew on Aug 16, 2019 10:02:24 GMT 1
Evidently enough to warrant us paying him on nominal fee to clear the rest of his contract off the books. If there's one thing the club cannot be criticised on is the discipline and organisation of the clubs finances. Make your mind up... Scooby doo’s less confused than you
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Post by venceremos on Aug 16, 2019 10:25:34 GMT 1
Waterfalls departure probably cost the club very little in severance pay - the deal was likely based on Grimsby taking on the remainder of his contract that he had with us Agree - if anything we probably contributed some of the difference between his wages here and what grimsby are paying him. Very much doubt we have paid 100% of his wages for the remainder of his contract Certainly not. If we were doing that, we'd have had no need to release him at all. We could have paid him fully to be on our bench for most of the next two years or settle a smaller amount and release him to sign for Grimsby. We made the sensible decision. All the best to Luke Waterfall, who always seemed as honest and wholehearted a player as any team could want. We know he had his weaknesses but his strengths were pretty good compensation for them. His goals made him one of the main factors in our survival last season. Whatever anyone else thinks, he's not on my bad signings list.
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Post by tvor on Aug 16, 2019 10:35:09 GMT 1
Waterfalls departure probably cost the club very little in severance pay - the deal was likely based on Grimsby taking on the remainder of his contract that he had with us Given that Lincoln said they couldn't compete with the money Waterfall was offered when he signed for us I doubt Grimsby, a similarly sized League 2 club to what Lincoln were at the time, could match his wages at Town and take on his contract. I suspect this has cost the club a significant amount in order to reach a settlement.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 16, 2019 10:51:51 GMT 1
Evidently enough to warrant us paying him on nominal fee to clear the rest of his contract off the books. If there's one thing the club cannot be criticised on is the discipline and organisation of the clubs finances. Make your mind up... Scooby doo’s less confused than you A quite bizarre response. We haven't shot ourselves in the foot in the slightest. We've got a high earner off the books who the manager had little to no intention of playing. My minds made up. It's good business sense to dispose of player in this way when the manager believes we have the necessary cover. Financially the decision makes sense. You've argued we should keep him... Just because?
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Post by Northwest Shrew on Aug 16, 2019 17:25:43 GMT 1
Because if Beckles gets injured tomorrow golbourne goes to cb
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Post by Deleted on Aug 16, 2019 17:40:58 GMT 1
Because if Beckles gets injured tomorrow golbourne goes to cb Nope love or vincelot would. Players who have both played in the position before in their careers. It is completely impractical and financially imprudent to carry a player like Luke Waterfall on the off chance that three or more of our centre backs sustain long term injuries.
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Post by Northwest Shrew on Aug 16, 2019 17:43:31 GMT 1
Why put a square peg in a round hole.. we had a round peg
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