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Post by shrewblue on Aug 5, 2019 8:53:02 GMT 1
Well if he is happy to stay and understands the situation then I don't see why we would want to offload him. He is more than capable of doing a job and there is nothing wrong with having strength in depth. Things can change pretty quickly in football. I guess the only question is how long he is willing to be sidelined considering his age and also how he handles that as time moves forward. I'd like to think that with the state of the club we're not in a situation where we have to offload players to bring others in. If the player is happy to stay and the manager is happy to have him available if needed, then it's all good. Do think however, if Waterfall gets a good offer he'll want to go. My sentiment entirely a strong squad is what wins promotion, injuries happen it's a long season and to play secondary competition games with Beckles and Waterfall as centre backs to give them game time and keep them match fit is excellent for the club. Injuries will mean them having to step up. Sure Luke wants to play every week as does Omar but they also want to be part of a promotion challenging squad not join a club that will struggle with little aspiration remember both played in such a team last season. Confidence makes a big difference and we may see Omar thrive in a better team and maybe Luke and Omar will improve too in our preferred formation this season.
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Post by northwestman on Aug 5, 2019 8:57:16 GMT 1
With Sears out for ages and Love only putting in an average performance yesterday, I just wonder whether we should bring in a RWB as cover. That's in addition to a CM and another forward. i can see your point whilst at times love has struggled i think he is improving , i think a fit sears will push him for his place . so a dilemma do we get a back up to be on the safe side? ricketts has said he is still looking for more players so watch this space. i would like Eisa( hopfully he is fully recovered from the clash of heads) and udoh to come on for the last 15 minutes and see what they can do If Love is badly injured one week after the transfer window closes, then we'll be struggling to fill his position. To this day, I feel that the injury to Brown (coupled with not signing a striker in the January window) was one of the main reasons we didn't go up. The balance of the side was affected, as we didn't have any cover at LB. Beckles had to be played out of position and the loan signing of Lowe didn't work out.
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Post by shrewswolf on Aug 5, 2019 9:36:30 GMT 1
Arnold, Amadi-Holloway, Angol have all left, it looks like Waterfall soon to follow. Like you I wonder who those among our 'fans' who always have to have a scapegoat will target next? I predict Vincelot for the next scapegoat... He is playing in a role where he disrupts play and already heard some moans when he lost the ball yesterday. Seems to have a good pedigree and coming back to full fitness will.make him sharper. Always saddens me when fans go over the top criticising individual players. Waterfall is a cracking example of a scapegoat, good player since last October. Arnold & AAH were utter s**te though, so it can’t always be said that players are scapegoats. Vincelot? He did alright, he broke the play up but that was about it. It helped us to victory, fair play. But I’d drop him once somebody better comes in. Towards the end of last season people were saying Grant was ‘nowhere near as good as he was’ etc etc and yet his average was still winning the ball back AND keeping possession. Vincelot most certainly doesn’t do the latter, nor is he ever willing to take the ball off O’Leary. He’s just a squad player imo....
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Post by zenfootball2 on Aug 5, 2019 9:59:02 GMT 1
i can see your point whilst at times love has struggled i think he is improving , i think a fit sears will push him for his place . so a dilemma do we get a back up to be on the safe side? ricketts has said he is still looking for more players so watch this space. i would like Eisa( hopfully he is fully recovered from the clash of heads) and udoh to come on for the last 15 minutes and see what they can do If Love is badly injured one week after the transfer window closes, then we'll be struggling to fill his position. To this day, I feel that the injury to Brown (coupled with not signing a striker in the January window) was one of the main reasons we didn't go up. The balance of the side was affected, as we didn't have any cover at LB. Beckles had to be played out of position and the loan signing of Lowe didn't work out. better safe than sorry only time will tell if ricketts feels the same way
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Post by greeny on Aug 5, 2019 10:23:49 GMT 1
Works hard and can head the ball really well. As said earlier though, he always has a mistake in him when the ball is at his feet and looks like he’ll give a pen away when people are running at him.
Not a patch on our current defenders. Not shown that he’s good enough for the level we are at and certainly not the level we want to be at but he’s decent lower league 2/conference player which is fair enough as that’s where he’s played most of his career.
Some departures I don’t understand and think we may regret it but I completely understand this 1.
As for cover, Beckles, Vincelot and Walker can all fill in or we go to 4 at the back and long term Sears comes in.
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Post by tvor on Aug 5, 2019 10:47:43 GMT 1
If Love is badly injured one week after the transfer window closes, then we'll be struggling to fill his position. To this day, I feel that the injury to Brown (coupled with not signing a striker in the January window) was one of the main reasons we didn't go up. The balance of the side was affected, as we didn't have any cover at LB. Beckles had to be played out of position and the loan signing of Lowe didn't work out. better safe than sorry only time will tell if ricketts feels the same way Barnett is the back up for right wing back.
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Post by supermac11 on Aug 5, 2019 12:23:15 GMT 1
Fair play to Ricketts - I think he's correctly identified every single player who needed moving on after last season. As for Waterfall, sure he can head a ball but if we want to progress he's simply not up to it and never will be. There's quite a few Luke Waterfalls in L2 and the conference.
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Post by zenfootball2 on Aug 5, 2019 13:02:52 GMT 1
better safe than sorry only time will tell if ricketts feels the same way Barnett is the back up for right wing back. thanks for that i thought he had gone out on loan
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Post by haughmond on Aug 5, 2019 14:03:40 GMT 1
Agreed that Luke Waterfall gives 100% effort, but effort by itself is not enough in this league. The three lads we played in central defence Saturday all gave 100% effort, and they can all head the ball, but they have pace and athleticism that Luke does not have. It makes sense to improve the squad, which signing two of the central defenders and keeping Williams has proved, but when you sign new players it follows that there will be some that have to be sold on. Beckles should be kept as a back up for the defence, either as full- back ( last resort ) or central. He played well when he came on against Dundee Utd, and hopefully he will be the one that improves.
No need to slate the lad now he is on his way, it’s a case of thank you, but no thank you. Hope he does well where ever he goes. Let’s show some class.
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Post by northwestman on Aug 7, 2019 12:06:46 GMT 1
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Post by bictonshrew on Aug 7, 2019 13:17:28 GMT 1
I will drive Waterfall over to Grimsby now!!? I'd piggyback him there!!
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Post by staffordshrew on Aug 7, 2019 13:40:19 GMT 1
When we look to recruit, it's always nice to wish the one to be replaced well and thank them for all their hard work, Waterfall certainly deserves that. The club do that, with a lapse on Coyne's departure, wish the fans could too.
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Post by Myddleshrew on Aug 7, 2019 14:09:59 GMT 1
Doubt he will go now we know Pierre could miss potentially 6 games this year alone
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Post by Exkeeper on Aug 7, 2019 18:22:46 GMT 1
I will drive Waterfall over to Grimsby now!!? I'd piggyback him there!! I will chip in to provide him with a whip.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 8, 2019 9:26:36 GMT 1
I wouldn’t be disappointed if he stayed and it sounds like SR wouldn’t be either. Reading between the lines Waterfall has a long contract which is much better that he was on money-wise at Lincoln, so he’s probably happy(ish) to fight for his place/collect a decent wage unless it works for him. And by that it probably means he wants a League 1 club or a League 2 club who will pay him close to what he’s on now.
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Post by bordersalopian on Aug 8, 2019 9:48:30 GMT 1
I wouldn’t be disappointed if he stayed and it sounds like SR wouldn’t be either. Reading between the lines Waterfall has a long contract which is much better that he was on money-wise at Lincoln, so he’s probably happy(ish) to fight for his place/collect a decent wage unless it works for him. And by that it probably means he wants a League 1 club or a League 2 club who will pay him close to what he’s on now. I’d rather keep Waterfall as a squad player to cover injuries, suspensions and international call ups (Pierre) Wouldn’t be surprised to see him play in the EFL Trophy games if he does stay. If Grimsby are interested, it’ll be for a fee as he’s got 2yrs left on his current contract?
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Post by South Stand Salopian on Aug 15, 2019 17:15:07 GMT 1
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Post by Northwest Shrew on Aug 15, 2019 17:19:28 GMT 1
Another bizarre decision... with ro Shaun injured.. Beckles steps in.. we have no centre backs on the bench...?
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Post by South Stand Salopian on Aug 15, 2019 17:23:09 GMT 1
Off club website (with error of course!)
"An opportunity has come up closes to where he lives and it's something that he is interested in.‘
Certainly means he’s off to Grimsby you’d think closer to his home in Sheffield. Ricketts told him situation hadn’t changed after Ro-Shaun injury.
So as it stands for the Ipswich game Beckles and Ebanks-Landell are likely to be our only available centre backs unless Ro-Shaun recovers or we sign someone.
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Post by leonidrogozov on Aug 15, 2019 17:25:21 GMT 1
Didn't Ricketts say, when we signed him, that Vincelot can play in a back three?
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Post by Salopfan99 on Aug 15, 2019 17:26:18 GMT 1
Didn't Ricketts say, when we signed him, that Vincelot can play in a back three? Yeah he’s played as a CB a lot in his career. Did so against Wolves in the second leg (until he got injured)
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Post by masshrop on Aug 15, 2019 17:26:38 GMT 1
although a minority didn't fancy him i always thought he was a good league one centre back very dominant in both boxes with a cracking attitude , much better option than beccles in my opionion , of course you'll get clowns slagging him off now he gone , but could be they didn't like him lifting checkatrade trophy at wembley in front of them . good luck luke grimsby you've got yourselves a cracking player
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Post by Deleted on Aug 15, 2019 17:36:10 GMT 1
Another bizarre decision... with ro Shaun injured.. Beckles steps in.. we have no centre backs on the bench...? Except its not though. Its a player in a position where we have improved upon considerably who was picking up substantial wages. Instead we will have paid a mediocre pay off sum to clear a big earner off the books. He goes and plays first team football. We have cover for the back 3 of walker, vincelot, love and i'd guess Golborne who can slot in there.
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Post by ipswichshrews on Aug 15, 2019 17:43:13 GMT 1
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Post by shrewblue on Aug 15, 2019 17:45:43 GMT 1
I hope Ricketts has a plan to bring another centre back in as well because if he plays 5 3 2 all season he is looking pretty light on his options!
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Post by Deleted on Aug 15, 2019 17:49:34 GMT 1
That’s a shame - he had his best 87 minutes for the club on Tuesdaynight 😜
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Post by thesensationaljt on Aug 15, 2019 17:54:04 GMT 1
If Ricketts has another Williams/Pierre up his sleeve, I'm not going to complain.
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Post by northwestman on Aug 15, 2019 17:59:43 GMT 1
His last ever contribution for Town, colliding with Morris and allowing Vassell a free run on goal, will long remain in the memory.
That said, Ebanks Landell had a shocking game and Beckles made a few errors too.
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Post by Exkeeper on Aug 15, 2019 18:01:14 GMT 1
That’s a shame - he had his best 87 minutes for the club on Tuesdaynight 😜 And still better than Beckles😜
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Post by thesalmon on Aug 15, 2019 18:05:05 GMT 1
although a minority didn't fancy him i always thought he was a good league one centre back very dominant in both boxes with a cracking attitude , much better option than beccles in my opionion , of course you'll get clowns slagging him off now he gone , but could be they didn't like him lifting checkatrade trophy at wembley in front of them . good luck luke grimsby you've got yourselves a cracking player Agree with all of this except I would change it slightly too... 'a good league two centre back' And 'not a better option than beckles'
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