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Post by tvor on Aug 4, 2019 8:39:43 GMT 1
would be a great player for grimsby all hearted player gave is all , our fans never forgave him for taking past it sadlers place Sadler made just as many individual errors last season as Waterfall but compare the reaction to him leaving with the reaction of some to Waterfall potentially leaving. We had the 12th best defence in League 1 last season but a significantly worse attacking record. I know which aspect of our game needs the most improvement this season if we're to finish in a higher position.
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Post by tvor on Aug 4, 2019 8:44:55 GMT 1
www.shropshirestar.com/sport/football/shrewsbury-town-fc/2019/08/03/sam-ricketts-admits-he-cannot-guarantee-luke-waterfall-game-time-after-grimsby-town-links/"Ricketts admitted there has been interest in Waterfall, who turned 29 last week and is one year into a three-year deal, but nothing sufficient to suit club and player."
"The boss said: "Luke and I have had a very honest conversation.
"He's a lad I really like and he's done very, very well for us and he understands the situation.
"He's still part of what we're doing here. I can't guarantee him football and he's obviously aware of that.
"As for everything else that's just football and we're take care of that as and when it happens.
"He's perfectly part of what we want to do here. A great lad loved by the players and myself as well.
"There's been a little bit of interest in him because he's a good player and that's ultimately it but nothing has come up which suits the club or Luke."
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Post by floreatsalopia1 on Aug 4, 2019 8:49:08 GMT 1
And await the next scapegoat Arnold, Amadi-Holloway, Angol have all left, it looks like Waterfall soon to follow. Like you I wonder who those among our 'fans' who always have to have a scapegoat will target next? I predict Vincelot for the next scapegoat... He is playing in a role where he disrupts play and already heard some moans when he lost the ball yesterday. Seems to have a good pedigree and coming back to full fitness will.make him sharper. Always saddens me when fans go over the top criticising individual players.
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Post by zenfootball2 on Aug 4, 2019 9:01:42 GMT 1
Arnold, Amadi-Holloway, Angol have all left, it looks like Waterfall soon to follow. Like you I wonder who those among our 'fans' who always have to have a scapegoat will target next? I predict Vincelot for the next scapegoat... He is playing in a role where he disrupts play and already heard some moans when he lost the ball yesterday. Seems to have a good pedigree and coming back to full fitness will.make him sharper. Always saddens me when fans go over the top criticising individual players. i never get the logic of shouting abuse at your own players , on this forum if you are unhappy about a player then this is place to express your opinion. i had strong doubts about vincelot and was happy to have been proved wrong as he has improved with every game, i can only recall him losing the ball once and he was not the only one
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Post by Deleted on Aug 4, 2019 9:58:26 GMT 1
We're playing three centre backs this seasons, if Waterfall goes that leaves Beckles as cover for those three positions. There are one or two who could fill in, like Vincelot or Golbourne, but they're not proper centre backs. Aaron Pierre will likely be missing for a while in October/November on international duty with Grenada. One injury or suspension around the same time will leave us looking short and those people now crowing about losing Waterfall will probably be complaining that we have a lack of cover. Vincelot started off his career as a CB. Walker played as CB last season. Love can move across also. Plenty of cover.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 4, 2019 10:22:06 GMT 1
Yessssssssss get the **** party 🎉 ****ing started!!! Ding dong the shower of s**t it almost gone!!!!!! He may not be a world beater but by all accounts he is a very well respected and valued member of our team. He has given us no less than 100% and scored some vital goals for us on the way. I really can't understand your reaction to one of our own but I suppose each to his own.
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Post by Stowmarket Shrew on Aug 4, 2019 10:25:53 GMT 1
He has always given of his best when putting on a Town shirt. He may not be the quickest but that is not something he can do anything about. He has certainly never hidden in games and if he goes, I for one will wish him well. Spot on - we've seen many, many, many much worse players than Waterfall. A dependable and honest player who always gives his all. I doubt many would disagree that he's simply not cultured enough for league 1, but playing in pretty much any league 2 team would be a contender anywhere for their player of the season - superb in the air and very strong, plenty of attributes that will stand him in good stead at that level. With Beckles offering more defensive versatility it does feel like now is the right time for him to leave. Thanks Luke and good luck.
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Post by northwestman on Aug 4, 2019 10:49:19 GMT 1
We're playing three centre backs this seasons, if Waterfall goes that leaves Beckles as cover for those three positions. There are one or two who could fill in, like Vincelot or Golbourne, but they're not proper centre backs. Aaron Pierre will likely be missing for a while in October/November on international duty with Grenada. One injury or suspension around the same time will leave us looking short and those people now crowing about losing Waterfall will probably be complaining that we have a lack of cover. Vincelot started off his career as a CB. Walker played as CB last season. Love can move across also. Plenty of cover. If we only have 2 fit CBs available, then we certainly have the personnel to switch to 4-4-2 or 4-5-1.
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Post by masshrop on Aug 4, 2019 11:43:44 GMT 1
not much more to say on the waterfall subject except to say he won every stat goin for league 1 centre halfs also scored 6/7 goals some vitally important , our fans never took to him because A he captained lincoln to checkatrade victory against us and could'nt even score , and B he took sadlers place and rightly so because matt was poor last season,he will be fantastic for grimsby a real leader
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Post by tvor on Aug 4, 2019 12:05:46 GMT 1
Vincelot started off his career as a CB. Walker played as CB last season. Love can move across also. Plenty of cover. If we only have 2 fit CBs available, then we certainly have the personnel to switch to 4-4-2 or 4-5-1. Which we won't have played at all in pre-season and very likely during the season proper either.
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Post by northwestman on Aug 4, 2019 12:40:39 GMT 1
If we only have 2 fit CBs available, then we certainly have the personnel to switch to 4-4-2 or 4-5-1. Which we won't have played at all in pre-season and very likely during the season proper either. It would only be a temporary measure if we had the misfortune to lose 2 CBs. Or perhaps we could play Walker in the back 3 instead or move Love across and play Whalley as RWB. All temporary measures and I agree not ideal, but can't see the point of Waterfall getting virtually no game time during the season. And of course it would be one of the higher wage earners off the books.
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Post by northwestman on Aug 4, 2019 12:49:43 GMT 1
With Sears out for ages and Love only putting in an average performance yesterday, I just wonder whether we should bring in a RWB as cover. That's in addition to a CM and another forward.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 4, 2019 13:31:59 GMT 1
With Sears out for ages and Love only putting in an average performance yesterday, I just wonder whether we should bring in a RWB as cover. That's in addition to a CM and another forward. No.
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Post by zenfootball2 on Aug 4, 2019 13:52:12 GMT 1
Vincelot started off his career as a CB. Walker played as CB last season. Love can move across also. Plenty of cover. If we only have 2 fit CBs available, then we certainly have the personnel to switch to 4-4-2 or 4-5-1. we do and you would hope Ricketts has a plan B and it is good we have the players available to be able to play another formation but he has built a team around this formation and he would have spent all pre season training them to play in that system, i went to the villa,dundee and potsmouth game and they look a lot more comfertable with this formation ,than the team we had last year, they also keep there shape so i dont see ricketts changing anything unless the wheels fall off . 12 games in should give us an idea of how we are shapping up.
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Post by lancsman on Aug 4, 2019 15:28:25 GMT 1
Well I’m sorry but where the hell does this 12 games come from. 4 games is enough to know whether the system works, if we can score goals and put games to bed. That’s the yardstick to tell us how good we are.
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Post by salop27 on Aug 4, 2019 17:05:53 GMT 1
With Sears out for ages and Love only putting in an average performance yesterday, I just wonder whether we should bring in a RWB as cover. That's in addition to a CM and another forward. Seen Love twice now and he has weak link tattooed across his forehead. We need some competition for that position.
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Post by zenfootball2 on Aug 4, 2019 17:16:01 GMT 1
Well I’m sorry but where the hell does this 12 games come from. 4 games is enough to know whether the system works, if we can score goals and put games to bed. That’s the yardstick to tell us how good we are. ricketts has built a team around this system so i dont see him rushing to change it, you are right four games will give you an indicator of what problems may be there. all systems have flaws .managers cant win micky melon got slated for changing systems too often, you would hope ricketts will fine tune the system he is invested so much time in and have a plan B . as it stands press high up the park win the 50 - 50 balls and the wings backs will go to play deep to support the defence. you are then left with two options play it through the midfield or kick it long.
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Post by greeny on Aug 4, 2019 17:54:26 GMT 1
Well I’m sorry but where the hell does this 12 games come from. 4 games is enough to know whether the system works, if we can score goals and put games to bed. That’s the yardstick to tell us how good we are. So...4 games...1 game in-. 1 win and 1 clean sheet. 1more win and 1 clean sheet and you’re happy..?
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Post by cheggersdrinkspop on Aug 4, 2019 18:09:00 GMT 1
F me everyone, who judges players by 1 or 2 performances and then thinks we need to get another player in to cover the position, have you got 2 cars on the drive in case 1 doesn't start, I think not. As for some of the comments about Luke Waterfall they are somewhat ill informed and crass for a player that gave his all for the team in a poor season. Just about sums up the difference between fact, opinion, and intelligence. Good luck to him as like all players he no doubt did his best during a difficult season, if you think otherwise perhaps it is an indication of how you go about your attitude to work.
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Post by TheFoz on Aug 4, 2019 18:14:45 GMT 1
With Sears out for ages and Love only putting in an average performance yesterday, I just wonder whether we should bring in a RWB as cover. That's in addition to a CM and another forward. My thoughts exactly. Got Golbourne and Giles at LWB but just have Love at RWB. I agree that we need another CM and Striker too.
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Post by wakemanender on Aug 4, 2019 19:48:30 GMT 1
Maybe worth giving the young lad we signed from Telford a run out against Rotherham in the cup. He needs experience at this level.
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Post by Pilch on Aug 4, 2019 21:11:54 GMT 1
Yessssssssss get the **** party 🎉 ****ing started!!! Ding dong the shower of s**t it almost gone!!!!!! cringeworthy post to say the least waterfall played a huge part in our survival last season as well as playing a massive part in our cup run which perhaps rather ironically has helped us bring in new players who have replace him one game towards the end of last season he literally put his neck on the line to save us and risked an horrific injury he also played a big part at wembley last year too which might have led to us noticing him this chap gave 100% effort for the team which can't be said for some players, or 'fans' for that matter'
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Post by frankwellshrews on Aug 4, 2019 21:37:23 GMT 1
Can't understand the hate towards Waterfall. Turned in some decent displays for us last year and weighed in with some big goals.
Feels like one of those things where picking on a particular player just becomes a meme amongst certain sections of the fanbase.
Wish him well if he moves on but still thing he'd be a worthwhile squad member here.
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Post by thesalmon on Aug 4, 2019 23:19:36 GMT 1
Can't understand the hate towards Waterfall. Turned in some decent displays for us last year and weighed in with some big goals. Feels like one of those things where picking on a particular player just becomes a meme amongst certain sections of the fanbase. Wish him well if he moves on but still thing he'd be a worthwhile squad member here. Can't fault his effort,commitment and passion He will make a great signing for grimsby in league 2 if the rumours are true However I'm glad we have other centre backs now who are clearly better than him in terms of composure and distribution. All the best to him though and wish him welll
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Post by suttonfarmsalopian on Aug 5, 2019 7:14:02 GMT 1
Always thought he’s given 100% when he’s played. Yes not the quickest but never afraid to put his head where it hurt last season and scored some vital goals. I do agree that he’s surplus to requirements and it will be good business now to move him along for a fee. I personally wish him the best of luck.
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Post by Bob Rickerton on Aug 5, 2019 7:34:29 GMT 1
Got to remember that the main instigator of the abuse on this thread has a tattoo of the clip art lion. Hard to take his words particularly seriously.
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Post by stuttgartershrew on Aug 5, 2019 7:48:35 GMT 1
Well if he is happy to stay and understands the situation then I don't see why we would want to offload him. He is more than capable of doing a job and there is nothing wrong with having strength in depth. Things can change pretty quickly in football. I guess the only question is how long he is willing to be sidelined considering his age and also how he handles that as time moves forward.
I'd like to think that with the state of the club we're not in a situation where we have to offload players to bring others in. If the player is happy to stay and the manager is happy to have him available if needed, then it's all good.
Do think however, if Waterfall gets a good offer he'll want to go.
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Post by thesensationaljt on Aug 5, 2019 8:01:50 GMT 1
They always say you should never criticise any Juan until you've walked a mile in their shoes.
I once criticised Lady Gaga. Those size 4 stilettos nearly killed me, although to be fair, I did get a couple of wolf whistles from van drivers.
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Post by zenfootball2 on Aug 5, 2019 8:43:29 GMT 1
With Sears out for ages and Love only putting in an average performance yesterday, I just wonder whether we should bring in a RWB as cover. That's in addition to a CM and another forward. i can see your point whilst at times love has struggled i think he is improving , i think a fit sears will push him for his place . so a dilemma do we get a back up to be on the safe side? ricketts has said he is still looking for more players so watch this space. i would like Eisa( hopfully he is fully recovered from the clash of heads) and udoh to come on for the last 15 minutes and see what they can do
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Post by zenfootball2 on Aug 5, 2019 8:45:36 GMT 1
Well if he is happy to stay and understands the situation then I don't see why we would want to offload him. He is more than capable of doing a job and there is nothing wrong with having strength in depth. Things can change pretty quickly in football. I guess the only question is how long he is willing to be sidelined considering his age and also how he handles that as time moves forward. I'd like to think that with the state of the club we're not in a situation where we have to offload players to bring others in. If the player is happy to stay and the manager is happy to have him available if needed, then it's all good. Do think however, if Waterfall gets a good offer he'll want to go. reading the articel from Ricketts(barring injuries) it seems Waterfall is going to be a fringe player and i dont think he is the type to not even gets on the subs bench for most of the season.
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