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Post by cheggersdrinkspop on Jul 26, 2019 19:25:50 GMT 1
Went to a sponsors evening last week at my local non league club, and the manager who is quite a well known guy in non league circles had a chat with me about a certain Mr H (the unmentionable one). He said he is a good guy and didn't blame him for what he did as most would do the same just for the money alone, but the most interesting bit is that apparently he really did struggle to get another job after Ipswich, contrary to the rumours of him being a bit picky. He said he applied for lots of managers jobs but nobody would touch him. I know this has probably been done to death and I have advocated that we need to move on, but interesting to listen to what I believe was a truthful account from a genuine source.
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Post by thesensationaljt on Jul 26, 2019 21:39:16 GMT 1
Did the guy mention that hurst is a backstabbing snake? Sounds like you were talking to another backstabbing snake.
I can never forgive hurst. Ever.
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Post by venceremos on Jul 26, 2019 21:41:56 GMT 1
Of historic interest and I'm not bitter about it but I've moved on.
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Post by SouthStandShrew on Jul 26, 2019 22:42:16 GMT 1
People talk....
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Post by SeanBroseley on Jul 26, 2019 23:00:03 GMT 1
This suggests that the club's public statements on the manner of his leaving may have had an impact. It is interesting when you consider that last season Hurst was in his first season in the Championship as was Frank Lampard, and look at where they are now.
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Post by thesensationaljt on Jul 26, 2019 23:20:54 GMT 1
I didn't mind him going. He wasn't Juan of us anyway. Ricketts isn't either. They'll all bugger off. Farewell to them all. We'll all still be here. We'll all still be Shrewsbury. But don't lie to us. Don't hide away in the dugout when 2,000 Town fans went to Blackpool. Don't giggle with your mate at one of the most important days in our history. It was the worst day of my Shrewsbury supporting life travelling back from Wembley. Not because we lost, I'm Shrewsbury, I'm used to it. Over the years I've got used to that. But it was the way we lost. I was told by an Ipswich fan on April 20th that you were going.
I wouldn't p**s on you if you were on fire. I personally find you a sly pathetic human being.
Just saying........
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Post by Deleted on Jul 27, 2019 6:37:49 GMT 1
I wouldn't p**s on you if you were on fire. I personally find you a sly pathetic human being. Just saying........ [ Life’s too short for all that hate.
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Post by Exkeeper on Jul 27, 2019 7:57:23 GMT 1
Hurst should have learned a lesson from his failure to get another job after Ipswich. He had spoken to them behind the backs of his current employer and had agreed to take their job at a crucial time in our season and our history. Ipswich were so delighted that the constantly drip-fed their news to local journalists, who made sure that the club’s fans were made aware. There is absolutely no doubt that he took his eye off the ball with regards to our situation, whilst still collecting his pay cheque from the club. Future prospective employers will have noticed his behaviour and questioned whether he could be trusted not to repeat it in future. Ipswich should not have spoken to him without permission and Karma was swift in playing it’s cards as both Hurst and Ipswich are now going to be operating at a lower level than the one they were at when these talks were taking place.
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Post by masshrop on Jul 27, 2019 8:13:08 GMT 1
A manager moving to a bigger club in a bigger league happens all the time will keep happening people need to get real shrewsbury a small club , if ricketts has a good start he no doubt get tapped up by bigger club then all this nonsense can start again , we are a stepping stone like it or not FACT
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Post by thesensationaljt on Jul 27, 2019 8:14:45 GMT 1
I wouldn't p**s on you if you were on fire. I personally find you a sly pathetic human being. Just saying........ [ Life’s too short for all that hate. I don't hate him, owd lad. I hold him in utter contempt, and there's a difference.
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Post by stuttgartershrew on Jul 27, 2019 8:16:42 GMT 1
I really don't think the way he left us would have had too big an impact on his career chances, I mean you have to consider Ipswich thought it perfectly reasonable to go about it the way they did. I don't think too many clubs have scruples it it means getting the best person in as manager. So I'm a bit surprised others weren't interested in taking him on. Because as much as we focus on the way he left, we also remember the hugely impressive job he did for us.
I am surprised he ended up at Scunny (no offence meant to them). I thought a "bigger" club a little higher up the ladder would have gone after him. Don't think it'll be long before we come up against him anyhow.
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Post by greeny on Jul 27, 2019 8:24:04 GMT 1
A manager moving to a bigger club in a bigger league happens all the time will keep happening people need to get real shrewsbury a small club , if ricketts has a good start he no doubt get tapped up by bigger club then all this nonsense can start again , we are a stepping stone like it or not FACT Think you’ve missed the point. Nobody is naive enough to not think we are a stepping stone for all playing and non-playing staff- that has happened and will always happened. It’s the manner in how it all played out that has annoyed people. Most of us knew he was going weeks before the end of the season but we got fed all sorts of lies right up until the day we went.
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Post by wakemanender on Jul 27, 2019 8:44:53 GMT 1
There is little doubt that clubs interested in taking on Hurst would have contacted our CEO for at least a verbal reference. Our CEO is well respected and I think clubs would have taken seriously what he had to say. There is no doubt that PH is a good lower league football manager and it was just a matter of time before a club appointed him on that basis only and ignored everything else. Sc***horpe should get promoted this season and their fans will love him and name a street after him. In Hurst we trust will be the most popular saying in Sc***horpe. In Shrewsbury there are other sayings and a mixed welcome awaits his return with his new team. Perhaps we still keep the John Bond disguise we could lend him.
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Post by Exkeeper on Jul 27, 2019 8:54:16 GMT 1
There is little doubt that clubs interested in taking on Hurst would have contacted our CEO for at least a verbal reference. Our CEO is well respected and I think clubs would have taken seriously what he had to say. There is no doubt that PH is a good lower league football manager and it was just a matter of time before a club appointed him on that basis only and ignored everything else. Sc***horpe should get promoted this season and their fans will love him and name a street after him. In Hurst we trust will be the most popular saying in Sc***horpe. In Shrewsbury there are other sayings and a mixed welcome awaits his return with his new team. Perhaps we still keep the John Bond disguise we could lend him. They could dress him up as a mascot - he might get away with that one.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 27, 2019 9:05:42 GMT 1
I think In footballing terms hurst has no morals or integrity.his behaviour when linked with Ipswich cost us promotion imo.we are a club that is well respected in the game,with a chairman who has got morals and integrity,as a club salop are better than hurst and anyone else for that matter.not really believing the view that his behaviour with us has put a dampner on his future job prospects,with clubs bigger than scunny.I think if a club even championship level want a manager to keep them up,with hursts salop and Grimsby record they would be willing to overlook the fact the guy is lower than a snakes belly.In favour of his undoubted ability as a manager.personally i hope he fails at every hurdle,and it would be the failure that ruins him,not the type of character he is.here's hoping.
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Post by stuttgartershrew on Jul 27, 2019 9:14:13 GMT 1
his behaviour when linked with Ipswich cost us promotion imo. I think it cost whatever chance we had to do so anyhow. Not sure we'd have beaten Rotherham if we had been on our game but that's the point isn't it, considering what we had seen through the season we were well below our best. And that is why we're looking to the way he left. Because we're all asking why, why they turned in a performance like that after what we had seen beforehand. Not that we lost to Rotherham, it was the manner in which we lost. We were pants.
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Post by Exkeeper on Jul 27, 2019 9:48:17 GMT 1
his behaviour when linked with Ipswich cost us promotion imo. I think it cost whatever chance we had to do so anyhow. Not sure we'd have beaten Rotherham if we had been on our game but that's the point isn't it, considering what we had seen through the season we were well below our best. And that is why we're looking to the way he left. Because we're all asking why, why they turned in a performance like that after what we had seen beforehand. Not that we lost to Rotherham, it was the manner in which we lost. We were pants. The number of points dropped over the last ten or so games cost us automatic promotion, points against sides we would have beaten earlier in the season - Northampton, Rochdale, Bradford City, MKD spring to mind without checking and there were others. Wembley and Rotherham would not have entered the equation if we had kept our focus.
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Post by South Stand Salopian on Jul 27, 2019 10:42:28 GMT 1
I think it cost whatever chance we had to do so anyhow. Not sure we'd have beaten Rotherham if we had been on our game but that's the point isn't it, considering what we had seen through the season we were well below our best. And that is why we're looking to the way he left. Because we're all asking why, why they turned in a performance like that after what we had seen beforehand. Not that we lost to Rotherham, it was the manner in which we lost. We were pants. The number of points dropped over the last ten or so games cost us automatic promotion, points against sides we would have beaten earlier in the season - Northampton, Rochdale, Bradford City, MKD spring to mind without checking and there were others. Wembley and Rotherham would not have entered the equation if we had kept our focus. Blackpool, Bury. You’re right it all fell apart towards the end. A point that hasn’t been made a big deal of is also Hurst started playing weakened teams way too early for me, Bury at home the 4th from last game we drew 1-1. Blackburn were only 5 points ahead with 4 games to go, ok they were in the driving seat but not impossible to overturn, I would’ve liked to have seen us push them harder, then we drew to Bury with a weakened team then Blackburn only needed 1 win from 3 instead of 2 wins out of 3.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 27, 2019 11:07:29 GMT 1
We just got found out.
Once teams worked as hard as us, and worked out our system, we weren't that hard to beat.
But, despite that, I would rather a season like that as opposed to season like the last and so on.
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Post by stuttgartershrew on Jul 27, 2019 11:54:17 GMT 1
I think it cost whatever chance we had to do so anyhow. Not sure we'd have beaten Rotherham if we had been on our game but that's the point isn't it, considering what we had seen through the season we were well below our best. And that is why we're looking to the way he left. Because we're all asking why, why they turned in a performance like that after what we had seen beforehand. Not that we lost to Rotherham, it was the manner in which we lost. We were pants. The number of points dropped over the last ten or so games cost us automatic promotion, points against sides we would have beaten earlier in the season - Northampton, Rochdale, Bradford City, MKD spring to mind without checking and there were others. Wembley and Rotherham would not have entered the equation if we had kept our focus. Maybe. But then we did pick up 87 points. That would normally be enough for the automatic spots. I just think we were very unfortunate to pull one season out the bag the same time you had Wigan and Blackburn spending to get out of the division. Any other season we'd have been promoted, I think it was a huge ask to keep up with those two the way they were going.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 27, 2019 12:03:24 GMT 1
The number of points dropped over the last ten or so games cost us automatic promotion, points against sides we would have beaten earlier in the season - Northampton, Rochdale, Bradford City, MKD spring to mind without checking and there were others. Wembley and Rotherham would not have entered the equation if we had kept our focus. Maybe. But then we did pick up 87 points. That would normally be enough for the automatic spots. I just think we were very unfortunate to pull one season out the bag the same time you had Wigan and Blackburn spending to get out of the division. Any other season we'd have been promoted, I think it was a huge ask to keep up with those two the way they were going. Not statistically true in recent years. Only 4 times over the past 10 seasons including season just gone has 87 points been enough for automatic promotion. Truth is we came up short in the league from a sensational start. We came up short in the play offs after players had been rested. That fault lies with a manager who then ungraciously ditched us as soon as he arrived back from a dismal defeat in the big game, then came back on the eve of the start of the next season to take our 2 best players. He can rot.
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Post by stuttgartershrew on Jul 27, 2019 14:04:12 GMT 1
Maybe. But then we did pick up 87 points. That would normally be enough for the automatic spots. I just think we were very unfortunate to pull one season out the bag the same time you had Wigan and Blackburn spending to get out of the division. Any other season we'd have been promoted, I think it was a huge ask to keep up with those two the way they were going. Not statistically true in recent years. Only 4 times over the past 10 seasons including season just gone has 87 points been enough for automatic promotion. Truth is we came up short in the league from a sensational start. We came up short in the play offs after players had been rested. That fault lies with a manager who then ungraciously ditched us as soon as he arrived back from a dismal defeat in the big game, then came back on the eve of the start of the next season to take our 2 best players. He can rot. Thanks for the stats, I stand corrected...👍 I guess what I was trying to get at was that not too many sides have managed to sustain a season the likes of what we saw from Wigan and Blackburn that time around. We did good (even if we fell short). To have kept up with them would have been something else...
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Post by Bob Rickerton on Jul 27, 2019 14:27:41 GMT 1
Hurst's strategy of resting players was a gamble, and cost us the chance of getting the 90+ points that would usually get you up, but it was largely academic given that he did so at a time where the odds of overhauling either Wigan or Blackburn were slim.
It paid off to the extent that we put in two heroic performances against Charlton, encompassing everything that was good about us that season. We were s**te on a boiling hot day against a Rotherham team we'd struggled against that season (I know we beat them away, but that was smash and grab stuff) who played the conditions far better than us. For all that, we were some slack marking away from taking them to penalties.
I understand the reasons his departure jarred, but I'm still grateful for that season.
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Post by pughywasfree on Jul 27, 2019 18:54:57 GMT 1
None of us thought we had a chance of keeping him after that season. If he would have left in the correct manner and not raided our best players at the worst possible time he would have been foundly thought of.
I would have taken a chance at a much better paid more lucrative job, anyone would. The fact he went about it the wrong way and then ****ed us over by forcing through the Nolan and Toto deals means he can go Fk himself. I hope he gets sacked by Christmas. Snake.
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Post by masshrop on Jul 27, 2019 21:45:25 GMT 1
said earlier we lost two finals because we was 'nt good enough nothing to do with manager going behind our back , lost two finals one against lge 2 oppanants ?
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