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Post by davycrockett on Jun 23, 2019 16:59:05 GMT 1
What I’m amazed at is that we’ve got to wait over 4 weeks for the voting process whilst nothing happens regarding Brexit (WC 22/07) Parliament then takes a summer break from 25/07 till 03/09 leaving a little over 8 weeks to do whatever’s necessary to get whatever deals are conjured up through agreed with the EU and ratified by Parliament. May had 3 years and failed miserably!
So since the 12/04 deadline and the agreed extension to 31/10 we’ve wasted 142 days sorting out the Con’s leader and left 58 days to do whatever whoever’s incharge can dream up to leave with a better deal than May’s..
Would have though they could have cut a few corners time wise, do we really need 31 days to get 160,000 postal votes sent in and counted..l Should the summer break be cancelled?
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Post by SeanBroseley on Jun 23, 2019 17:13:24 GMT 1
The House of Commons defeated the motion of 12th June that would have given control of the Commons timetable to MPs, and may have facilitated a shorter summer recess.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 23, 2019 17:28:52 GMT 1
The comments by the MP Bob Stewart that he thought Boris Johnson would be able to command a platoon of soldiers made me laugh.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 23, 2019 17:38:57 GMT 1
The comments by the MP Bob Stewart that he thought Boris Johnson would be able to command a platoon of soldiers made me laugh. Perhaps he meant in Blackadder Goes Forth
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Post by stuttgartershrew on Jun 23, 2019 18:22:00 GMT 1
It's irrelevant whether there was police action or not. As I said, most domestic abuse incidents end up with no action. "Get off me" "Get out of my flat" and crashing and banging, suggests a bit more than arguing the t0ss about whose turn is it to wash up. Like I have said, the police actively encourage neighbours to call the them. The neighbours were absolutely right to call the police. Whether people think they were right to contact the press depends on what sort of person you want as PM. Anyway the real issue here now is people's response to potential domestic abuse. It's turned out interesting. I don't think anyone's making light of domestic abuse. Police were called, right decision. Police say there's nothing untoward happening, good job the boys in blue. Neighbour recorded row and passed it to a national newspaper, not normal! That's the real issue. And granted more may come out about this, more may follow and we may learn more and then we can react accordingly. But when you look to what we do know, what the police reported; what exactly have we learnt from all this? That Johnson and his partner have rows (rows about spilling red wine on a white sofa if we are to believe what has been reported). And that's the thing that people are questioning about all this... Because the police not only issued a statement about the incident they went directly back and reported to the neighbours in person that no one was harmed, that no one was in any danger...yet the neighbours still went and reported the row to the press. People are right to question their motives especially when you hear more about who they are and their clear political bias. As things stand, unless we hear more, then I don't think we have learnt anything new about Johnson. He and his Mrs row. Well, yeah. Maybe when the tape is released we'll know more and we will learn more about the incident and about him. Until then...
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Post by stuttgartershrew on Jun 23, 2019 18:23:50 GMT 1
Perhaps he meant in Blackadder Goes Forth
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Post by Deleted on Jun 23, 2019 18:24:03 GMT 1
It's irrelevant whether there was police action or not. As I said, most domestic abuse incidents end up with no action. "Get off me" "Get out of my flat" and crashing and banging, suggests a bit more than arguing the t0ss about whose turn is it to wash up. Like I have said, the police actively encourage neighbours to call the them. The neighbours were absolutely right to call the police. Whether people think they were right to contact the press depends on what sort of person you want as PM. Anyway the real issue here now is people's response to potential domestic abuse. It's turned out interesting. Jesus, is 'no police action' where we're setting the bar in terms of Prime Ministerial candidates' conduct? Maybe this was nothing more than a shouting match - but it doesn't mean our media shouldn't report on it or ask the obvious questions. I agree, seems a few don't. Says a lot about them I guess.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 23, 2019 18:29:15 GMT 1
It's irrelevant whether there was police action or not. As I said, most domestic abuse incidents end up with no action. "Get off me" "Get out of my flat" and crashing and banging, suggests a bit more than arguing the t0ss about whose turn is it to wash up. Like I have said, the police actively encourage neighbours to call the them. The neighbours were absolutely right to call the police. Whether people think they were right to contact the press depends on what sort of person you want as PM. Anyway the real issue here now is people's response to potential domestic abuse. It's turned out interesting. I don't think anyone's making light of domestic abuse. Police were called, right decision. Police say there's nothing untoward happening, good job the boys in blue. Neighbour recorded row and passed it to a national newspaper, not normal! That's the real issue. Politicians get caught out by recordings all the time. www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-12069446The Telegraph seemed happy to do it. Irony in there somewhere. Seems to only an issue when it's 'your man' getting found out.
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Post by stuttgartershrew on Jun 23, 2019 18:34:24 GMT 1
Jesus, is 'no police action' where we're setting the bar in terms of Prime Ministerial candidates' conduct? Maybe this was nothing more than a shouting match - but it doesn't mean our media shouldn't report on it or ask the obvious questions. I agree, seems a few don't. Says a lot about them I guess. And it says an awful lot about those who are desperately seeking something from this that (from what we know at the minute), simply isn't there. At this moment, from what we know, they had a row. Now the race is on to make that a whole lot more than what it is...we've even got people here looking to compare a "blazing row" with child abuse, domestic abuse and stabbings. Those looking to make this more than what it is, with what little information we have, don't come out of this looking good either....
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Post by Deleted on Jun 23, 2019 18:41:38 GMT 1
I agree, seems a few don't. Says a lot about them I guess. And it says an awful lot about those who are desperately seeking something from this that (from what we know at the minute), simply isn't there. At this moment, from what we know, they had a row. Now the race is on to make that a whole lot more than what it is...we've even got people here looking to compare a "blazing row" with child abuse, domestic abuse and stabbings. Those looking to make this more than what it is, with what little information we have, don't come out of this looking good either.... My first post about this was suggesting that potential domestic abuse needs to be reported. The language used was along the lines of 'keep noses out'. What appears to have happened warranted a call to the police, by the couple who reported it. Politically, what other people make it of it is up to them. I hope that's ok with you?
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Post by northwestman on Jun 23, 2019 18:41:53 GMT 1
Demonstrators have been outside young Carries flat.
Clearly, Boris's team have been busy planting disinformation with papers like the Sun and the Mail . She's allegedly claimed that 'it's a political stitch up' despite a number of other witnesses other than the 2 who recorded them confirming that they heard voices raised and glasses smashed. She 'cannot believe this has happened over such a minor matter' and is apparently 'too afraid to return'. But all of this has either come from 'a friend of Johnson and Symonds' or 'a member of Johnson's team'.
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Post by shrewsace on Jun 23, 2019 18:45:38 GMT 1
I agree, seems a few don't. Says a lot about them I guess. And it says an awful lot about those who are desperately seeking something from this that (from what we know at the minute), simply isn't there. At this moment, from what we know, they had a row. Now the race is on to make that a whole lot more than what it is...we've even got people here looking to compare a "blazing row" with child abuse, domestic abuse and stabbings. Those looking to make this more than what it is, with what little information we have, don't come out of this looking good either.... Typically dishonest misrepresentation from you. My clear point - which you're wilfully missing - was that just because something happens 'every night of the week' doesn't mean it should be ignored or dismissed.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 23, 2019 18:52:48 GMT 1
And it says an awful lot about those who are desperately seeking something from this that (from what we know at the minute), simply isn't there. At this moment, from what we know, they had a row. Now the race is on to make that a whole lot more than what it is...we've even got people here looking to compare a "blazing row" with child abuse, domestic abuse and stabbings. Those looking to make this more than what it is, with what little information we have, don't come out of this looking good either.... Typically dishonest misrepresentation from you. My clear point - which you're wilfully missing - was that just because something happens 'every night of the week' doesn't mean it should be ignored or dismissed. Spot on. Interesting tweet from an ex-chief prosecutor.
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Post by stuttgartershrew on Jun 23, 2019 18:56:32 GMT 1
And it says an awful lot about those who are desperately seeking something from this that (from what we know at the minute), simply isn't there. At this moment, from what we know, they had a row. Now the race is on to make that a whole lot more than what it is...we've even got people here looking to compare a "blazing row" with child abuse, domestic abuse and stabbings. Those looking to make this more than what it is, with what little information we have, don't come out of this looking good either.... My first post about this was suggesting that potential domestic abuse needs to be reported. The language used was along the lines of 'keep noses out'. What appears to have happened warranted a call to the police, by the couple who reported it. Politically, what other people make it of it is up to them. I hope that's ok with you? Sure and my point is that there are people out there who are trying to make this into something that it is not. From what we know anyhow. Indeed, I suspect there are a good few who are desperate for this to be more than just a shouting match. So there are a good few on here who aren't coming across too well...
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Post by stuttgartershrew on Jun 23, 2019 19:02:37 GMT 1
And it says an awful lot about those who are desperately seeking something from this that (from what we know at the minute), simply isn't there. At this moment, from what we know, they had a row. Now the race is on to make that a whole lot more than what it is...we've even got people here looking to compare a "blazing row" with child abuse, domestic abuse and stabbings. Those looking to make this more than what it is, with what little information we have, don't come out of this looking good either.... Typically dishonest misrepresentation from you. My clear point - which you're wilfully missing - was that just because something happens 'every night of the week' doesn't mean it should be ignored or dismissed. It's there in amber and blue. The things that you list can not be and should not be ignored or dismissed. A 'blazing row' however, isn't anywhere on a par with those things you list. It was a awful comparison to make in response to someone who simply stated the blazing rows happen most weekends, they are a part of a pretty normal and healthy relationship. The comparison you made was completely inappropriate.
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Post by northwestman on Jun 23, 2019 19:09:26 GMT 1
'Friends of Mr Johnson and Ms Symonds told the Mail on Sunday the laptop was being used to research the internet for solutions to remove wine stains from upholstery'!
I know Boris's team are looking to cover his tracks for everything, but this is really pushing things way beyond credibility!
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Post by Deleted on Jun 23, 2019 19:11:15 GMT 1
My first post about this was suggesting that potential domestic abuse needs to be reported. The language used was along the lines of 'keep noses out'. What appears to have happened warranted a call to the police, by the couple who reported it. Politically, what other people make it of it is up to them. I hope that's ok with you? So there are a good few on here who aren't coming across too well... Yeah, those telling us that noses should be kept, or that it's politically motivated, no Sherlock. That doesn't mean that it was the wrong call to involve the police. And, of course, the press who support Johnson are politicking like no ones business. But that's ok I guess.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 23, 2019 19:12:03 GMT 1
'Friends of Mr Johnson and Ms Symonds told the Mail on Sunday the laptop was being used to research the internet for solutions to remove wine stains from upholstery'! I know Boris's team are looking to cover his tracks for everything, but this is really pushing things way beyond credibility! Probably trying to delete those emails from Bannon.
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Post by stuttgartershrew on Jun 23, 2019 19:12:36 GMT 1
I just think its important to post this once as it seems to have got lost in all the noise...
At 00.24 on Friday 21 June, police responded to a call from a local resident in [south London]. The caller was concerned for the welfare of a female neighbour.
Police attended and spoke to all occupants of the address, who were all safe and well. There were no offences or concerns apparent to the officers and there was no cause for police action.
I would hope that the police would have acted is required to do so. It seems they did not see a need to do so. The neighbors knew this and yet still made the decision to report the incident to the press. That is why questions are being asked about how this has been handled.
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Post by venceremos on Jun 23, 2019 19:12:50 GMT 1
My first post about this was suggesting that potential domestic abuse needs to be reported. The language used was along the lines of 'keep noses out'. What appears to have happened warranted a call to the police, by the couple who reported it. Politically, what other people make it of it is up to them. I hope that's ok with you? Sure and my point is that there are people out there who are trying to make this into something that it is not. From what we know anyhow. Indeed, I suspect there are a good few who are desperate for this to be more than just a shouting match. So there are a good few on here who aren't coming across too well... What is it then, if you’re so sure you know what it isn’t? You’re passing judgment on people expressing a view of this when you (presumably) don’t know what happened either. You’re not coming across too well yourself.
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Post by shrewsace on Jun 23, 2019 19:16:49 GMT 1
Typically dishonest misrepresentation from you. My clear point - which you're wilfully missing - was that just because something happens 'every night of the week' doesn't mean it should be ignored or dismissed. It's there in amber and blue. The things that you list can not be and should not be ignored or dismissed. A 'blazing row' however, isn't anywhere on a par with those things you list. It was a awful comparison to make in response to someone who simply stated the blazing rows happen most weekends, they are a part of a pretty normal and healthy relationship. The comparison you made was completely inappropriate. The meaning of my post - that something being commonplace doesn't necessarily render it insignificant - is plain to anyone not playing silly buggers.
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Post by stuttgartershrew on Jun 23, 2019 19:19:42 GMT 1
So there are a good few on here who aren't coming across too well... Yeah, those telling us that noses should be kept, or that it's politically motivated, no Sherlock. That doesn't mean that it was the wrong call to involve the police. And, of course, the press who support Johnson are politicking like no ones business. But that's ok I guess. Questions are being asked because despite having been informed by the police that no one was harmed and no one was in harms way, the neighbors still made the decision to report the incident to the police. That is why there is talk of a 'stitch up'. They were right to call the police if indeed they were concerned about their neighbor (you are absolutely right on that) but considering what the police said, considering they are clearly out to cause issues for Johnson, people are going to be asking questions about their motives.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 23, 2019 19:21:43 GMT 1
I just think its important to post this once as it seems to have got lost in all the noise... At 00.24 on Friday 21 June, police responded to a call from a local resident in [south London]. The caller was concerned for the welfare of a female neighbour. Police attended and spoke to all occupants of the address, who were all safe and well. There were no offences or concerns apparent to the officers and there was no cause for police action.I would hope that the police would have acted is required to do so. It seems they did not see a need to do so. The neighbors knew this and yet still made the decision to report the incident to the press. That is why questions are being asked about how this has been handled. What's interesting about this is that not all potential domestic abuse is reported as such. www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/crimeandjustice/bulletins/domesticabuseinenglandandwales/yearendingmarch2018So, the Police turn up, everything is ok, doesn't mean it didn't happen. Now, before you get your knickers in a twist, I'm not suggesting anything did. My point is, too many people are dismissing this as a spat, because the police didn't arrest anyone. Maybe Johnson should answer questions from the press to clarify what went on.
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Post by venceremos on Jun 23, 2019 19:24:01 GMT 1
I just think its important to post this once as it seems to have got lost in all the noise... At 00.24 on Friday 21 June, police responded to a call from a local resident in [south London]. The caller was concerned for the welfare of a female neighbour. Police attended and spoke to all occupants of the address, who were all safe and well. There were no offences or concerns apparent to the officers and there was no cause for police action.I would hope that the police would have acted is required to do so. It seems they did not see a need to do so. The neighbors knew this and yet still made the decision to report the incident to the press. That is why questions are being asked about how this has been handled. Read what those with experience of domestic abuse tell us. Incidents are routinely dismissed, often because the perpetrator reassures the police and the victim is unable to speak up. You can take the police report at face value if you will. I recall overhearing a police officer leaving the flats where I lived and saying into his radio “just a domestic”. I’d heard the “row” and it wasn’t something to be so lightly dismissed. The biggest issues for me are that I question whether someone evidently struggling to control their emotions is the right choice to lead a country in crisis and with harder times ahead. And I think it’s wholly irresponsible for Johnson’s defenders to attack the neighbours (and it wasn’t only the pair who reported it who were very concerned) when we need to encourage possible incidents of domestic abuse to be reported. I saw someone suggest the neighbours should have turned the TV up - that’s a despicably complacent and selfish attitude.
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Post by salop27 on Jun 23, 2019 19:24:49 GMT 1
I don't think anyone's making light of domestic abuse. Police were called, right decision. Police say there's nothing untoward happening, good job the boys in blue. Neighbour recorded row and passed it to a national newspaper, not normal! That's the real issue. Politicians get caught out by recordings all the time. www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-12069446The Telegraph seemed happy to do it. Irony in there somewhere. Seems to only an issue when it's 'your man' getting found out. Couple of quick points. The story about Vince Cable you've linked is no way comparable to Johnson and secondly what is Boris being found out about? He had a heated argument with his partner! Makes him normal I'd say.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 23, 2019 19:26:43 GMT 1
Politicians get caught out by recordings all the time. www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-12069446The Telegraph seemed happy to do it. Irony in there somewhere. Seems to only an issue when it's 'your man' getting found out. Couple of quick points. The story about Vince Cable you've linked is no way comparable to Johnson and secondly what is Boris being found out about? He had a heated argument with his partner! Makes him normal I'd say. Yeah, it's done by the Telegraph so that's ok then. Sorry, should have said found out again.
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Post by venceremos on Jun 23, 2019 19:29:18 GMT 1
But anyway, back to the leadership contest and let’s not overlook that Johnson’s colleague, Liam Fox, said this morning that Johnson isn’t being honest when he claims we can leave with no deal and remain tariff-free.
Both are Tories, both are brexiteers and they’re saying radically different things. If 17.4m voted for the same thing, was it Johnson’s version of the truth or Fox’s? Looking forward to one of our brexit bright sparks clarifying this for everyone .....
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Post by venceremos on Jun 23, 2019 19:30:51 GMT 1
Politicians get caught out by recordings all the time. www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-12069446The Telegraph seemed happy to do it. Irony in there somewhere. Seems to only an issue when it's 'your man' getting found out. Couple of quick points. The story about Vince Cable you've linked is no way comparable to Johnson and secondly what is Boris being found out about? He had a heated argument with his partner! Makes him normal I'd say. There’s nothing normal in having the police called to a “heated argument”. Even Johnson apologists like you should have the decency not to try to normalise that.
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Post by stuttgartershrew on Jun 23, 2019 19:34:26 GMT 1
Sure and my point is that there are people out there who are trying to make this into something that it is not. From what we know anyhow. Indeed, I suspect there are a good few who are desperate for this to be more than just a shouting match. So there are a good few on here who aren't coming across too well... What is it then, if you’re so sure you know what it isn’t? You’re passing judgment on people expressing a view of this when you (presumably) don’t know what happened either. You’re not coming across too well yourself. I'm just going on what the police reported about the incident... Police attended and spoke to all occupants of the address, who were all safe and well. There were no offences or concerns apparent to the officers and there was no cause for police action.
So what do you take from that? And how would you come to any other conclusion that it was nothing more than a row between the two? The neighbors don't come out of this well at all, it is clear this is politically motivated. And I think there are people making more out of this than it warrants. People fight, people have rows with heir partners. Its what people do. But it does not mean they are out of the ordinary. I don't understand why some would wish to judge someone for having a row with their partner. But that is where we are. And until we learn something that shows it was more than a row then that's how I will see it. Maybe the tape will tell us more.
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Post by stuttgartershrew on Jun 23, 2019 19:43:58 GMT 1
I just think its important to post this once as it seems to have got lost in all the noise... At 00.24 on Friday 21 June, police responded to a call from a local resident in [south London]. The caller was concerned for the welfare of a female neighbour. Police attended and spoke to all occupants of the address, who were all safe and well. There were no offences or concerns apparent to the officers and there was no cause for police action.I would hope that the police would have acted is required to do so. It seems they did not see a need to do so. The neighbors knew this and yet still made the decision to report the incident to the press. That is why questions are being asked about how this has been handled. What's interesting about this is that not all potential domestic abuse is reported as such. www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/crimeandjustice/bulletins/domesticabuseinenglandandwales/yearendingmarch2018So, the Police turn up, everything is ok, doesn't mean it didn't happen. Now, before you get your knickers in a twist, I'm not suggesting anything did. My point is, too many people are dismissing this as a spat, because the police didn't arrest anyone. Maybe Johnson should answer questions from the press to clarify what went on. Right, so its win win now isn't it. So if we have Symonds coming out and explaining that it was nothing more than a row then no doubt we'll have some coming out with "she would say that, that can happen within an abusive relationship". It means that come what may, people can freely accuse him of something safe in knowledge they can turn to such information as you have linked to here. And I am sure they will. It really is going to get nasty from here on in...
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