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Aug 17, 2019 19:52:41 GMT 1
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Post by Liam on Aug 17, 2019 19:52:41 GMT 1
1 challenge per team per match. Agreed. Think this is the way to go. The goal line tech on the refs watch is a revelation and should be rolled out to lower leagues. For penalties and dubious goals the team should have one challenge per half (with a decision timer akin to cricket). This encourages referees and linesmen to make the correct decision and not rely on the tech to bail them out every time, but gives a team on the receiving end of a possibly unjust decision the opportunity to review. In offsides the linesman should be encouraged to give benefit of doubt to the attacker in very tight decisions. I'd add that the system should only be used with a video and mic link up to the VAR official in the stadium also. The perverse nature of being in a ground and some guy hundreds of miles away watching a screen making a call without you seeing on the big screen is a joke. Sounds about right. For objective decisions, such as if the ball went over the line, out of play, and even offside are fair enough, but the interpretation of the laws in football is inherently subjective, and you'll never have 100% agreement. In such circumstances, allowing teams the odd appeal, but otherwise just letting the ref get on with it, seems about right. The ideal of using VAR only for "clear and a obvious errors" has rarely worked in practice so far, and seems to have gone out of the window in less than 2 years. On the topic of offside, if computer technology is already better at spotting an offside than the assistant (and if it is then fair enough, because watching two things at once is not an easy job), then it does kind of beg the question as to what the point of having linesmen call offsides even is these days. I can see the value of having them there to advise on subjective decisions on fouls that the ref doesn't have a good view of, but the human eye is never going to be better at calling fractions of a yard offside - which seems to be how the law is being enforced nowadays - so why not just remove the linesmen's responsibilities to call offsides full stop, and let GPS call that in the same way that it does for goals? It would be instant, and would save the nonsense of the fans in the ground celebrating a goal and then having it snatched away from them by some mechanism they have no access to, or even expnantion of It's ****ing up the experience for match going supporters but,to be fair to the powers that be, we're all to blame with our constant cliping about every 50/50 decision. Are things really more fun now that everything can be analysed to death? I think not, so we really need to get over ourselves and accept that perhaps the odd contentious decision is a fact of life rather than an outrage. Remember that the next time you p**s and moan, and blame the ref for a defeat in a game where your team didn't really deserve to win anyway.
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Aug 17, 2019 20:04:01 GMT 1
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Post by R6ix on Aug 17, 2019 20:04:01 GMT 1
It is a mess,how far back will VAR go back to criminalise a goal that should and would normally be given,it is sanatising the game,may as well play fifa games instead.im sure if things do not improve some sort of protest movement may evolve?
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Aug 17, 2019 20:30:23 GMT 1
Post by tdk on Aug 17, 2019 20:30:23 GMT 1
Personally, for all it's faults, I feel VAR is a huge improvement on the old days when all the decisions went in favour of the big clubs
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Post by Exkeeper on Aug 17, 2019 21:27:14 GMT 1
The laws of the game have been changed again over the summer. One of the changes stipulated that a goal could not stand if an attacker had handled the ball in the build-up, either intentionally or unintentionally. The City goal was disallowed because of this. The fault lies in the law change, not VAR.
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Aug 17, 2019 21:35:41 GMT 1
Post by ThrobsBlackHat on Aug 17, 2019 21:35:41 GMT 1
The laws of the game have been changed again over the summer. One of the changes stipulated that a goal could not stand if an attacker had handled the ball in the build-up, either intentionally or unintentionally. The City goal was disallowed because of this. The fault lies in the law change, not VAR.
Yep definitely.
For all the soul searching about VAR, now they have the timings reduced it is not actually that bad.
The new handball rule is going to throw up some right old scenes.
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Aug 18, 2019 8:24:20 GMT 1
Post by Pilch on Aug 18, 2019 8:24:20 GMT 1
VAR was introduced as a desperate measure to try and help Liverpool win their first ever premier league, the plan was put into action last night
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Aug 18, 2019 12:03:40 GMT 1
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Post by Deleted on Aug 18, 2019 12:03:40 GMT 1
It is a mess,how far back will VAR go back to criminalise a goal that should and would normally be given,it is sanatising the game,may as well play fifa games instead.im sure if things do not improve some sort of protest movement may evolve? Not often I agree with you but I think this is spot on!
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Aug 18, 2019 16:44:42 GMT 1
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Post by Deleted on Aug 18, 2019 16:44:42 GMT 1
VAR was introduced as a desperate measure to try and help Liverpool win their first ever premier league, the plan was put into action last night Watch out PILCH - pretty sure you had to defend yourself against having an anti-Liverpool agenda not too long ago!
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Aug 18, 2019 20:54:07 GMT 1
Post by Pilch on Aug 18, 2019 20:54:07 GMT 1
VAR was introduced as a desperate measure to try and help Liverpool win their first ever premier league, the plan was put into action last night Watch out PILCH - pretty sure you had to defend yourself against having an anti-Liverpool agenda not too long ago! its not true, I am getting fond of one of their players Adrian ;-) and I have Salah in my fantasy league I'm almost a fan !
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Aug 19, 2019 10:24:06 GMT 1
Post by Minormorris64 on Aug 19, 2019 10:24:06 GMT 1
The laws of the game have been changed again over the summer. One of the changes stipulated that a goal could not stand if an attacker had handled the ball in the build-up, either intentionally or unintentionally. The City goal was disallowed because of this. The fault lies in the law change, not VAR.
Yep definitely.
For all the soul searching about VAR, now they have the timings reduced it is not actually that bad.
The new handball rule is going to throw up some right old scenes.
Is it me or did the handball rule used to be simple like hand TO ball in a deliberate move to obtain an advantage ?
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Aug 19, 2019 12:15:01 GMT 1
Post by tvor on Aug 19, 2019 12:15:01 GMT 1
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Aug 19, 2019 13:55:51 GMT 1
Post by Minormorris64 on Aug 19, 2019 13:55:51 GMT 1
GPS Tracking in the boots that'll be next
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Post by martinshrew on Aug 19, 2019 14:53:48 GMT 1
A major factor is the way VAR is described.
"A goal chalked off because of VAR"
No, a goal chalked off USING VAR because it was the correct decision, not BECAUSE of VAR.
I feel like the negative terminology used around VAR isn't helping. That said I'd prefer we didn't have it all together.
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Aug 19, 2019 15:11:48 GMT 1
Post by venceremos on Aug 19, 2019 15:11:48 GMT 1
Interesting occurrence I caught at the end of the Chelsea - Leicester game yesterday.
Through ball to Maddison, who was clear on goal, linesman flagged offside immediately. Maddison continued, albeit half-heartedly, and put the ball in the net while Kepa did little to stop him. As play resumed, the commentator said they were checking the offside on VAR.
What happens if a player is subsequently found to have been onside? I expect play stops when the ref acts upon the lino's flag but how would it restart? Meanwhile, given the uncertainties thrown up by VAR, it must make sense for a player to continue and put the ball in the net in case his "goal" might stand. No more yellow cards for players doing that then?
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Aug 19, 2019 15:46:38 GMT 1
Post by Pilch on Aug 19, 2019 15:46:38 GMT 1
A major factor is the way VAR is described. "A goal chalked off because of VAR" No, a goal chalked off USING VAR because it was the correct decision, not BECAUSE of VAR. I feel like the negative terminology used around VAR isn't helping. That said I'd prefer we didn't have it all together. but it was because of VAR if it wasn't checked by VAR it would have been a goal the video assistant referee chalked the goal off its no different than saying the referee disallowed the goal its all a bit pedantic
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