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Post by shrewsace on Jun 10, 2019 21:48:12 GMT 1
VAR is becoming a default check now, not just correcting 'clear and obvious' officiating errors, as originally intended.
Yeah, every goal is at the mercy of the dreaded lino's flag.
But it's getting to the point you daren't celebrate/react until the inevitable VAR check has been conducted.
Some of the offsides are so marginal it's ridiculous.
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Jun 11, 2019 7:07:52 GMT 1
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Post by cheggersdrinkspop on Jun 11, 2019 7:07:52 GMT 1
At the moment we are talking about technology which has little or no affect on our games so it is easy to dismiss it. But we have all seen the difference it could have made to some decisions that went against us in the past ie a certain game against Wycombe, play off final with Gillingham to mention a few. Question is would you have wanted those decisions overturned given the choice. Admittedly not a big fan as it disrupts the flow but with the amount of money on offer for the chosen few it is inevitable, money talks as they say.
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Jun 11, 2019 22:31:38 GMT 1
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Post by MartinB on Jun 11, 2019 22:31:38 GMT 1
At the moment we are talking about technology which has little or no affect on our games so it is easy to dismiss it. But we have all seen the difference it could have made to some decisions that went against us in the past ie a certain game against Wycombe, play off final with Gillingham to mention a few. Question is would you have wanted those decisions overturned given the choice. Admittedly not a big fan as it disrupts the flow but with the amount of money on offer for the chosen few it is inevitable, money talks as they say. play off final with Gillingham VAR wouldn't have helped. Corner wouldn't have been reviewed.
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Jun 13, 2019 0:10:21 GMT 1
Post by scooter on Jun 13, 2019 0:10:21 GMT 1
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Jul 8, 2019 14:47:46 GMT 1
Post by tvor on Jul 8, 2019 14:47:46 GMT 1
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Jul 8, 2019 18:21:23 GMT 1
Post by tdk on Jul 8, 2019 18:21:23 GMT 1
That's better than some of the refs we've had, give them a lifetime and they'd still get it wrong
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Post by R6ix on Jul 8, 2019 22:37:24 GMT 1
RUINS THE GAME
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Aug 10, 2019 14:08:51 GMT 1
Post by tvor on Aug 10, 2019 14:08:51 GMT 1
Supposedly for 'clear and obvious mistakes' but VAR denies a goal at West Ham v Man City for offside for what could only be a matter of millimetres. It would be good to get some clarification on what constitutes a 'clear and obvious mistake'.
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Aug 10, 2019 15:52:29 GMT 1
Post by davycrockett on Aug 10, 2019 15:52:29 GMT 1
Supposedly for 'clear and obvious mistakes' but VAR denies a goal at West Ham v Man City for offside for what could only be a matter of millimetres. It would be good to get some clarification on what constitutes a 'clear and obvious mistake'. Hate VAR but if your using it every goal is checked for offside Man City we’re off side..... Personally don’t give a damn what they do in the Premiers**t spoilt the game the day they broke away... EFL rule OK 👍
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Post by venceremos on Aug 10, 2019 19:08:52 GMT 1
Just heard a City fan say he came away from West Ham feeling deflated - after a 5-0 win!
His point was that VAR spoils the game for fans in the stadium and cited the fact that you can’t celebrate a goal properly because you’re waiting for it to be confirmed. By that time, the moment has passed and it’s not the same. Nobody’s ever going to celebrate a VAR-confirmed goal as much as one spontaneously enjoyed.
It seems to me we’ve taken it too far. In the desire to make sure all decisions are correct, we’ve achieved a small incremental improvement in the game but we’ve paid for it with a bigger incremental loss of spontaneity, enjoyment and consideration for the most important spectators - those in the stadium.
Give each manager two VAR challenges per game and let’s end this ruinous, joyless nonsense.
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Post by shrewsace on Aug 10, 2019 20:31:18 GMT 1
Get rid.
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Aug 10, 2019 21:32:24 GMT 1
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Post by frankwellshrews on Aug 10, 2019 21:32:24 GMT 1
Just heard a City fan say he came away from West Ham feeling deflated - after a 5-0 win! His point was that VAR spoils the game for fans in the stadium and cited the fact that you can’t celebrate a goal properly because you’re waiting for it to be confirmed. By that time, the moment has passed and it’s not the same. Nobody’s ever going to celebrate a VAR-confirmed goal as much as one spontaneously enjoyed. It seems to me we’ve taken it too far. In the desire to make sure all decisions are correct, we’ve achieved a small incremental improvement in the game but we’ve paid for it with a bigger incremental loss of spontaneity, enjoyment and consideration for the most important spectators - those in the stadium. Give each manager two VAR challenges per game and let’s end this ruinous, joyless nonsense. Just wait till a Champions League final winner gets decided by VAR in 2nd half injury time. Then they'll celebrate. Broadly speaking, I agree but can't help but feel that some of this is displaced ennui about how uncompetitive the prem is now. How excited can City get about a routine thrashing of (insert name of hapless non galactico club) anyway? The premier league is fairly absurd now, VAR or no.
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Aug 10, 2019 22:44:37 GMT 1
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Farcical
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Post by Deleted on Aug 10, 2019 22:45:58 GMT 1
Give the coaches 2 challenges a half.
The system they have now is an absolute horror.
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Post by venceremos on Aug 10, 2019 23:19:47 GMT 1
You pay what, 30, 40, 50 quid or more for the privilege of waiting for a man in a box to tell you it’s ok to celebrate a goal now? The real, spontaneous moment has passed. What joyless nonsense is this?
It’s all about turning sport into television.
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Post by cmonsalop on Aug 11, 2019 13:51:24 GMT 1
Rewrite the offside rule (again) so that a player has to be properly offside not just 2 mm and you wouldn't need VAR for half the goals scored. The offside rule as it stands is an absolute joke.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 11, 2019 14:10:37 GMT 1
Rewrite the offside rule (again) so that a player has to be properly offside not just 2 mm and you wouldn't need VAR for half the goals scored. The offside rule as it stands is an absolute joke. This.
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Aug 11, 2019 14:44:31 GMT 1
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Post by Worthingshrew on Aug 11, 2019 14:44:31 GMT 1
Rewrite the offside rule (again) so that a player has to be properly offside not just 2 mm and you wouldn't need VAR for half the goals scored. The offside rule as it stands is an absolute joke. Totally agree. Used to be onside if you were level, now you’re offside as there’s going to be a finger nail in front of the defender. Will lead to fewer goals overall, and probably more pens. Hope it never reaches our level.
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Post by tvor on Aug 11, 2019 19:42:43 GMT 1
You pay what, 30, 40, 50 quid or more for the privilege of waiting for a man in a box to tell you it’s ok to celebrate a goal now? The real, spontaneous moment has passed. What joyless nonsense is this? It’s all about turning sport into television. A journo made a very similar point on the Sky discussion programme this morning. That the fan at the stadium is now the poor relation compared to the fan watching on TV in that they are provided with no information as to why the decision is/was made, unlike cricket or rugby for example, whereas the TV fan gets much more information. Surely the fan paying a lot of money to get to and watch the game deserves better than this.
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Post by LetchworthShrew on Aug 12, 2019 9:06:01 GMT 1
The fans in the stadium are just extras in a TV show. It's all about the TV.
VAR was supposed to be used to be used to correct "clear and obvious" mistakes but this micro-analysing of every goal is rubbish - a few mm on/off side is not a clear and obvious mistake.
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Post by venceremos on Aug 12, 2019 10:01:04 GMT 1
I agree the point that fans are just extras in a TV production. Since we're going down that road, it's time that fans were paid the going rate for their performances. Free admission and Equity half-day rates. Come on television, this is what you wanted.
I see Mark Clattenburg quoted as saying it's disappointing that people have criticised VAR this weekend when it got its decisions right. That's exactly the problem - these people only see it as about getting decisions right and don't consider the wider context.
I find it disappointing that people think like you, Mr Clattenburg.
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Aug 12, 2019 10:03:13 GMT 1
Post by tvor on Aug 12, 2019 10:03:13 GMT 1
VAR was supposed to be used to be used to correct "clear and obvious" mistakes but this micro-analysing of every goal is rubbish - a few mm on/off side is not a clear and obvious mistake. This is my view, but from reading more since the weekend it has become apparent to me that the 'clear and obvious mistake' criteria does not apply to offside decisions. The powers that be believe these to be black and white decisions, a matter of fact, so if the technology shows the player to be offside by even the minutest amount the goal will be disallowed. The problem here is that even the manufacturer of the technology being used, hawkeye, admits that it isn't 100% accurate.
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Aug 12, 2019 10:19:58 GMT 1
Post by LetchworthShrew on Aug 12, 2019 10:19:58 GMT 1
VAR was supposed to be used to be used to correct "clear and obvious" mistakes but this micro-analysing of every goal is rubbish - a few mm on/off side is not a clear and obvious mistake. This is my view, but from reading more since the weekend it has become apparent to me that the 'clear and obvious mistake' criteria does not apply to offside decisions. The powers that be believe these to be black and white decisions, a matter of fact, so if the technology shows the player to be offside by even the minutest amount the goal will be disallowed. The problem here is that even the manufacturer of the technology being used, hawkeye, admits that it isn't 100% accurate. Which is why there are "umpires calls" in cricket!
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Aug 12, 2019 10:53:07 GMT 1
Post by AlisonS on Aug 12, 2019 10:53:07 GMT 1
Quite honestly, a game may as well be played in an underground basement by a bunch of robots and watched by another bunch.
Interesting that those who get paid by football seem to want it, but those who pay don’t. Utterly dispiriting
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Aug 12, 2019 11:28:45 GMT 1
Post by shropshirelad42 on Aug 12, 2019 11:28:45 GMT 1
I have been watching professional football for over 70 years now, and although the rules have been 'tweaked' over that time I reckon that this VAR thing is not in the best interests of the fans and will be detrimental to the game as we know it. Changing the offside rule was bad enough -if you're offside then you're offside - and as a previous poster said "it will end up with fans having nothing to disagree about".
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Post by gtismygod on Aug 12, 2019 13:23:42 GMT 1
Agree with the general consensus. The best thing about football is absolute limbs everywhere celebrating a goal. VAR takes it away. Who cares if referees sometimes get decisions wrong? That's the game, always has been.
Get rid of it.
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Aug 12, 2019 16:29:54 GMT 1
Post by Pilch on Aug 12, 2019 16:29:54 GMT 1
with nearly all players now wearing a GPS vest how easy would it be to use these to determine if someone is offside or not ?
can't be much different to goal line technology
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Post by wakemanender on Aug 12, 2019 16:51:12 GMT 1
The men at the top seem to have to make changes to the game on a regular basis to justify their positions. I remember the game as it was meant to be played before the intro of subs. Ever since then it has been regular tinkering.
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Aug 12, 2019 19:20:39 GMT 1
Post by R6ix on Aug 12, 2019 19:20:39 GMT 1
it sanitises the game too much, ok a bad desicion or wrong call is what made the game controversia, intresting and something to talk about,brendan rodgers was full of glee after the wolves goal was ridicuosly ruled out, but as soon as a vardy goal is scuppered he will not be so gleefull me thinks?
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Aug 17, 2019 19:34:49 GMT 1
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Post by South Stand Salopian on Aug 17, 2019 19:34:49 GMT 1
Absolute carbon copy of the CL game in April between City and Spurs! VAR ruling out yet another City winner at home against them. Nice for Jesus to stick his fingers up at the ref after for getting the decision right. He should be banned for bringing the game into disrepute surely!
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