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Post by Pilch on May 9, 2019 22:03:19 GMT 1
been a nail biting week like never before and currently still lis for Chelsea fans
wondering if anyone watched the Newport v mansfield game ?
if ever a game needed VAR it was this one and no reason why the play offs shouldn't have var considering they are live on tv and so important a decent ref might even help
mansfields keeper was good tonight, shame he's 33 and not 23
he must be angry too, came out very bravely towards the end, made a good save only for the ref to think it was a penalty he even saved it only for the same player to follow up and score from the rebound
ref was awful and should have sent off a Newport player early in the game for a last man tackle
ended 1-1
ps
good win for arsenal after a nervy start too
hopefully if we do get 4 English teams through, we can start Brexit whilst they are out of the country and not them them back in ;-)
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Post by martinshrew on May 10, 2019 9:25:33 GMT 1
been a nail biting week like never before and currently still lis for Chelsea fans wondering if anyone watched the Newport v mansfield game ? if ever a game needed VAR it was this one and no reason why the play offs shouldn't have var considering they are live on tv and so important a decent ref might even help mansfields keeper was good tonight, shame he's 33 and not 23 he must be angry too, came out very bravely towards the end, made a good save only for the ref to think it was a penalty he even saved it only for the same player to follow up and score from the rebound ref was awful and should have sent off a Newport player early in the game for a last man tackle ended 1-1 ps good win for arsenal after a nervy start too hopefully if we do get 4 English teams through, we can start Brexit whilst they are out of the country and not them them back in ;-) I wouldn't be concerned about singing a 33 year old keeper. 38 however is an issue.
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May 10, 2019 9:50:00 GMT 1
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Post by Exkeeper on May 10, 2019 9:50:00 GMT 1
Stonewall penalty for me and if he played for Liverpool you would agree.
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May 10, 2019 9:50:32 GMT 1
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Post by Exkeeper on May 10, 2019 9:50:32 GMT 1
Stonewall penalty for me and if he played for Liverpool you would agree.
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Post by Pilch on May 10, 2019 10:20:44 GMT 1
Stonewall penalty for me and if he played for Liverpool you would agree. here we go again, why liverpool ? I was totally neutral for last nights game the way I saw it, the keeper came out, the first contact was the forward getting a poor touch to it, 2nd contact was keeper getting both hands to the ball , 3rd contact was forwards feet colliding with keepers chest as a result of both players momentum admittedly first angle it looks like a pen all day but from another angle the truth is revealed , I think he got robbed myself
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Post by martinshrew on May 10, 2019 10:21:33 GMT 1
Stonewall penalty for me and if he played for Liverpool you would agree. <iframe style="position: absolute; width: 18.720000000000027px; height: 2.960000000000008px; z-index: -9999; border-style: none;left: 15px; top: -5px;" id="MoatPxIOPT0_35223664" scrolling="no" width="18.720000000000027" height="2.960000000000008"></iframe> <iframe style="position: absolute; width: 18.72px; height: 2.96px; z-index: -9999; border-style: none; left: 881px; top: -5px;" id="MoatPxIOPT0_56950597" scrolling="no" width="18.720000000000027" height="2.960000000000008"></iframe> <iframe style="position: absolute; width: 18.72px; height: 2.96px; z-index: -9999; border-style: none; left: 15px; top: 89px;" id="MoatPxIOPT0_86730666" scrolling="no" width="18.720000000000027" height="2.960000000000008"></iframe> <iframe style="position: absolute; width: 18.72px; height: 2.96px; z-index: -9999; border-style: none; left: 881px; top: 89px;" id="MoatPxIOPT0_18828094" scrolling="no" width="18.720000000000027" height="2.960000000000008"></iframe> We're not talking about Liverpool?
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May 10, 2019 11:16:31 GMT 1
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Post by Exkeeper on May 10, 2019 11:16:31 GMT 1
Stonewall penalty for me and if he played for Liverpool you would agree. <iframe style="position: absolute; width: 18.720000000000027px; height: 2.960000000000008px; z-index: -9999; border-style: none;left: 15px; top: -5px;" id="MoatPxIOPT0_35223664" scrolling="no" width="18.720000000000027" height="2.960000000000008"></iframe> <iframe style="position: absolute; width: 18.72px; height: 2.96px; z-index: -9999; border-style: none; left: 881px; top: -5px;" id="MoatPxIOPT0_56950597" scrolling="no" width="18.720000000000027" height="2.960000000000008"></iframe> <iframe style="position: absolute; width: 18.72px; height: 2.96px; z-index: -9999; border-style: none; left: 15px; top: 89px;" id="MoatPxIOPT0_86730666" scrolling="no" width="18.720000000000027" height="2.960000000000008"></iframe> <iframe style="position: absolute; width: 18.72px; height: 2.96px; z-index: -9999; border-style: none; left: 881px; top: 89px;" id="MoatPxIOPT0_18828094" scrolling="no" width="18.720000000000027" height="2.960000000000008"></iframe> We're not talking about Liverpool? Is that the Royal “we”? I was. Actually I was replying directly to Pilch, so the only “we” involved was him and me.
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May 10, 2019 11:27:13 GMT 1
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Post by philharvey on May 10, 2019 11:27:13 GMT 1
Mansfield keeper looks good tho !!
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Post by Pilch on May 10, 2019 11:39:54 GMT 1
Stonewall penalty for me and if he played for Liverpool you would agree. ok if you want me to bite and for some bizarre reason involve liverpool I will had it been liverpool v Newport and I'd dared to suggest it wasn't a penalty because Mo salah had blown over then... this thread would now be on its 3rd page, with several delving into my personal life , a few insults , and about 8 references to man united including fergies red nose, London, bobby Charlton, Eric cantona , you name it , you are like a seagull following a trawler ;-) happy now ?
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Post by tvor on May 10, 2019 12:03:30 GMT 1
Flitcroft is a but of a whinger but he did have a point about the referees they select for these games, to be fair he's not the first manager to make that point either. With all the experienced Championship and Premiership referees available for playoff games it is difficult to understand why they're not used given what is at stake.
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Post by Rusholme Ruffian on May 10, 2019 12:07:32 GMT 1
Quite enjoyed it. At times very much showed the gap between league 1 and 2 though I thought as it was very scrappy and broken up for periods.
Always nice to see Mickey Demetriou, who i think most people like as a town player. Dont remember him using his long throw in his town days though, as that's a clear tactic for Newport.
Some clear very talented players in both teams though, and certainly some who I'm sure won't be in league two next season. Always think play off games are liable to lots of scouting as leagued have finished, and as ever with lower league sides a decent amount will be out of contract.
Would back Mansfield in second leg.
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May 10, 2019 12:11:16 GMT 1
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Post by Rusholme Ruffian on May 10, 2019 12:11:16 GMT 1
been a nail biting week like never before and currently still lis for Chelsea fans wondering if anyone watched the Newport v mansfield game ? if ever a game needed VAR it was this one and no reason why the play offs shouldn't have var considering they are live on tv and so important a decent ref might even help mansfields keeper was good tonight, shame he's 33 and not 23 he must be angry too, came out very bravely towards the end, made a good save only for the ref to think it was a penalty he even saved it only for the same player to follow up and score from the rebound ref was awful and should have sent off a Newport player early in the game for a last man tackle ended 1-1 ps good win for arsenal after a nervy start too hopefully if we do get 4 English teams through, we can start Brexit whilst they are out of the country and not them them back in ;-) I wouldn't be concerned about singing a 33 year old keeper. 38 however is an issue. Surprised how few games he's had in his career for his age. Another one of the Luke Daniels ilk who was continually loaned out and kept at higher league club for far too long. Never had a prolonged spell at a club as number one until being at Mansfield.
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Post by tvor on May 10, 2019 12:14:22 GMT 1
I've seen Conrad Logan make plenty of poor mistakes over the years, he's where he is for a reason.
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Post by northwestman on May 10, 2019 12:15:41 GMT 1
Flitcroft is a but of a whinger but he did have a point about the referees they select for these games, to be fair he's not the first manager to make that point either. With all the experienced Championship and Premiership referees available for playoff games it is difficult to understand why they're not used given what is at stake. Premiership referees ARE being used for the Championship playoffs. Scott, Pawson, Kavanagh and Taylor. One rule for some eh?
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Post by northwestman on May 10, 2019 12:22:00 GMT 1
Championship referees also being used for League 1 playoffs.
Woolmer, Langford, Bankes and Ward.
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Post by northwestman on May 10, 2019 12:24:33 GMT 1
But League 2 playoffs? League 1 and 2 referees.
Donohue, Busby, Salisbury and Ilderton.
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May 10, 2019 12:38:30 GMT 1
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Post by cheggersdrinkspop on May 10, 2019 12:38:30 GMT 1
Why should they use premiership referees for L1 and L2 games, as the referees chosen have earned their place over the season. I would admit that they make mistakes but so do the best of them, as they say "the person who doesn't make mistakes is the person that does nothing at all". Also the game would be littered with unnecessary stoppages due to the premiership rule of non contact football.
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May 10, 2019 12:56:24 GMT 1
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Post by Exkeeper on May 10, 2019 12:56:24 GMT 1
Stonewall penalty for me and if he played for Liverpool you would agree. ok if you want me to bite and for some bizarre reason involve liverpool I will had it been liverpool v Newport and I'd dared to suggest it wasn't a penalty because Mo salah had blown over then... this thread would now be on its 3rd page, with several delving into my personal life , a few insults , and about 8 references to man united including fergies red nose, London, bobby Charlton, Eric cantona , you name it , you are like a seagull following a trawler ;-) happy now ? No personal insults from me, your personal life is just what it says on the tin. I didn’t mention Fergie’s red nose - it’s purple anyway. London? No need, they have three teams in European finals,, two more than Manchester and Liverpool put together. Bobby Charlton - one of my all time favourite players. Cantona was a great player as well and could have made a good career after football, starring in Bruce Lee films. Back to topic, I still think it was a penalty and the keeper had no need to commit as the striker was never likely to do anything running at that angle at speed. As you said though it looked a penalty from one angle, and that is all the referee has to go on.
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Post by northwestman on May 10, 2019 13:11:40 GMT 1
Why should they use premiership referees for L1 and L2 games, as the referees chosen have earned their place over the season. I would admit that they make mistakes but so do the best of them, as they say "the person who doesn't make mistakes is the person that does nothing at all". Also the game would be littered with unnecessary stoppages due to the premiership rule of non contact football. They use Championship Referees for the League 1 Playoffs.
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Post by martinshrew on May 10, 2019 14:31:06 GMT 1
<iframe style="position: absolute; width: 18.720000000000027px; height: 2.960000000000008px; z-index: -9999; border-style: none;left: 15px; top: -5px;" id="MoatPxIOPT0_35223664" scrolling="no" width="18.720000000000027" height="2.960000000000008"></iframe> <iframe style="position: absolute; width: 18.72px; height: 2.96px; z-index: -9999; border-style: none; left: 881px; top: -5px;" id="MoatPxIOPT0_56950597" scrolling="no" width="18.720000000000027" height="2.960000000000008"></iframe> <iframe style="position: absolute; width: 18.72px; height: 2.96px; z-index: -9999; border-style: none; left: 15px; top: 89px;" id="MoatPxIOPT0_86730666" scrolling="no" width="18.720000000000027" height="2.960000000000008"></iframe> <iframe style="position: absolute; width: 18.72px; height: 2.96px; z-index: -9999; border-style: none; left: 881px; top: 89px;" id="MoatPxIOPT0_18828094" scrolling="no" width="18.720000000000027" height="2.960000000000008"></iframe> We're not talking about Liverpool? Is that the Royal “we”? I was. Actually I was replying directly to Pilch, so the only “we” involved was him and me.
Lets keep it simple, where did Liverpool come into this? Lose the will to live on this board sometimes.
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Post by Pilch on May 10, 2019 14:31:33 GMT 1
ok if you want me to bite and for some bizarre reason involve liverpool I will had it been liverpool v Newport and I'd dared to suggest it wasn't a penalty because Mo salah had blown over then... this thread would now be on its 3rd page, with several delving into my personal life , a few insults , and about 8 references to man united including fergies red nose, London, bobby Charlton, Eric cantona , you name it , you are like a seagull following a trawler ;-) happy now ? As you said though it looked a penalty from one angle, and that is all the referee has to go on. my initial post was suggesting why VAR isn't used
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May 10, 2019 16:11:29 GMT 1
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Post by Exkeeper on May 10, 2019 16:11:29 GMT 1
Is that the Royal “we”? I was. Actually I was replying directly to Pilch, so the only “we” involved was him and me.
Lets keep it simple, where did Liverpool come into this? Lose the will to live on this board sometimes.
Don’t let me stop you. You are welcome to ignore my posts, as I do ones that bore me.
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Post by darkshrew on May 10, 2019 18:12:29 GMT 1
With so much money in the game I cannot understand why we do not have referees on a lot more money. Premier league ref gets 100k in a year if he is lucky; less than half the weekly salary of one of the premier league's stars. League 1 and below refs cannot make a living from the game - you get what you pay for so the clubs should not complain about the refs, rather the Football League.
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May 10, 2019 18:19:44 GMT 1
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Post by franthetownfan on May 10, 2019 18:19:44 GMT 1
With so much money in the game I cannot understand why we do not have referees on a lot more money. Premier league ref gets 100k in a year if he is lucky; less than half the weekly salary of one of the premier league's stars. League 1 and below refs cannot make a living from the game - you get what you pay for so the clubs should not complain about the refs, rather the Football League. That’s like saying you think the people who make the pies should earn over 100k! I’m sure people will travel far and wide to watch Martin ****ing Atkinson ref a match - but Mo Salah - he’s got the easy job. You should really stay off forums after a drink. And apparently everyone just mentions Liverpool. Fine, I change that to Stefan Lichsteiner.
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May 10, 2019 18:31:54 GMT 1
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Post by cheggersdrinkspop on May 10, 2019 18:31:54 GMT 1
With so much money in the game I cannot understand why we do not have referees on a lot more money. Premier league ref gets 100k in a year if he is lucky; less than half the weekly salary of one of the premier league's stars. League 1 and below refs cannot make a living from the game - you get what you pay for so the clubs should not complain about the refs, rather the Football League. Spot on there and it stretches right back to grass roots football. The aforesaid reply from Fran seems a bit strange considering the discussion was about the quality of the referees, in this world you usually get what you pay for and the people that make expensive pies probably get more than Tesco's finest pie makers. Referees and assistants are unfortunate easy targets as they have no option to reply direct to criticism, give it a try, I have.
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Post by northwestman on May 10, 2019 19:00:47 GMT 1
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Post by gainsparkshrew on May 10, 2019 19:38:54 GMT 1
Yep a vegan multi millionaires play thing, another "one man and his money club". For that reason, and that reason alone , I'm going "Come on Rovers!!" You can keep your cathederals, You can keep your Pier Head, We're not scousers, We're from Birkenhead !!
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Post by darkshrew on May 10, 2019 19:51:00 GMT 1
With so much money in the game I cannot understand why we do not have referees on a lot more money. Premier league ref gets 100k in a year if he is lucky; less than half the weekly salary of one of the premier league's stars. League 1 and below refs cannot make a living from the game - you get what you pay for so the clubs should not complain about the refs, rather the Football League. That’s like saying you think the people who make the pies should earn over 100k! I’m sure people will travel far and wide to watch Martin ****ing Atkinson ref a match - but Mo Salah - he’s got the easy job. You should really stay off forums after a drink. And apparently everyone just mentions Liverpool. Fine, I change that to Stefan Lichsteiner. Really ? You think I say they should be paid well because people will want to go and see them ? They have a damn tough job and if you want to get people who are going to be exceptionally good at it, you should pay them well - that is really not a difficult concept to grasp is it ?
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May 10, 2019 20:46:44 GMT 1
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Post by Exkeeper on May 10, 2019 20:46:44 GMT 1
Yep a vegan multi millionaires play thing, another "one man and his money club". For that reason, and that reason alone , I'm going "Come on Rovers!!" You can keep your cathederals, You can keep your Pier Head, We're not scousers, We're from Birkenhead !! On the first half showing, if one of these two win the play-offs, they will go straight back down.
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Post by gainsparkshrew on May 11, 2019 16:07:19 GMT 1
Yep a vegan multi millionaires play thing, another "one man and his money club". For that reason, and that reason alone , I'm going "Come on Rovers!!" You can keep your cathederals, You can keep your Pier Head, We're not scousers, We're from Birkenhead !! On the first half showing, if one of these two win the play-offs, they will go straight back down. Got to agree with you, it was the same with the Newport v Mansfield game as well. You can really see the difference in class between L1 and L2. Thought that Tranmere and FGR played a better passing/on the floor game that the other two ( that was hoofball and head tennis half the time) Trouble was both Tranmere and FGR just can't pass very well ! Tranmere are totally reliant on Norwood for their goals and when he has a bad night, like tonight, then they are very limited. As all of lower league knows Norwood is out of contract in a couple of weeks and Tranmere are going to struggle to match offers from bigger clubs. The same with FGR and Doige. Therefore, although it hurts me just a little to admit it, both would struggle if they came up. On the plus side it should mean a possible 6 points for us
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