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Post by Pilch on May 8, 2019 17:26:15 GMT 1
It's not really a question of whether anyone has seen RCC play or not. People have different opinions anyway. It simply defies logic. If Ricketts saw RCC as a potential number 1 or 2 keeper next season then why didn't he play him this season? He's had plenty of opportunity to do so. Yet he preferred instead to play a loanee. So, it's baffling as to why he now thinks that RCC is worth a deal. As for LJL, most of us have seen him play and I'm yet to find anyone on this board that sings his praises as a league one player. But then we could all be wrong. maybe he sees him as a potential number 3 maybe because he is worried nothing better will arrive maybe he's so cheap its worth keeping him do you seriously think hes signed him to be potential number 1 I dont
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Post by Deleted on May 8, 2019 17:27:12 GMT 1
21 players retained and four offered new deals. On the face of it, it doesn't look like there is much room for manoeuvre. Bearing in mind how injury-prone Edwards is - and that Sears is out for nine months - we can only hope that offers come in for the likes of Angol, Jones and Gilliead for us to sign better. Not if Sam keeps to his previous views www.shropshirestar.com/sport/football/shrewsbury-town-fc/2018/12/13/sam-ricketts-ready-to-trim-his-shrewsbury-town-squad/Yes there will be clearly be players who are under contract who end up going but we are going to be relying on getting deals done before we can bring in some players.
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Post by Deleted on May 8, 2019 17:27:39 GMT 1
It's not really a question of whether anyone has seen RCC play or not. People have different opinions anyway. It simply defies logic. If Ricketts saw RCC as a potential number 1 or 2 keeper next season then why didn't he play him this season? He's had plenty of opportunity to do so. Yet he preferred instead to play a loanee. So, it's baffling as to why he now thinks that RCC is worth a deal. As for LJL, most of us have seen him play and I'm yet to find anyone on this board that sings his praises as a league one player. But then we could all be wrong. maybe he sees him as a potential number 3 maybe because he is worried nothing better will arrive maybe he's so cheap its worth keeping him do you seriously think hes signed him to be potential number 1 I dont We said the same about Arnold last year
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Post by mattmw on May 8, 2019 17:27:58 GMT 1
Hopefully some of the under contract players will move on in the summer too to free up some space in the squad. Understand that’s needed before other signings can come in. Had heard suggestions of Waterfall moving back to Lincoln as a possibility, but then again had heard Grant was moving too but obviously isn’t
Got to hope we do well in the loan market too for next season. Morris returning next season is another rumour doing the rounds and it would be great to get someone of the quality of Henderson and Godfrey. Should we get Edwards fit and playing regularly to the standard he has been capable of that would be a great boost too
Realistically though not expecting any wow signings this summer
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Post by philharvey on May 8, 2019 17:28:45 GMT 1
Maybe Roland his tightening his purse strings,
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Post by blamber on May 8, 2019 17:30:00 GMT 1
It's not really a question of whether anyone has seen RCC play or not. People have different opinions anyway. It simply defies logic. If Ricketts saw RCC as a potential number 1 or 2 keeper next season then why didn't he play him this season? He's had plenty of opportunity to do so. Yet he preferred instead to play a loanee. So, it's baffling as to why he now thinks that RCC is worth a deal. As for LJL, most of us have seen him play and I'm yet to find anyone on this board that sings his praises as a league one player. But then we could all be wrong. maybe he sees him as a potential number 3 maybe because he is worried nothing better will arrive maybe he's so cheap its worth keeping him do you seriously think hes signed him to be potential number 1 I dont I didn't seriously think Arnold was going to be number 1. Hang on...
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Post by cheggersdrinkspop on May 8, 2019 17:33:01 GMT 1
If reality people are quibbling over a relatively small number of decisions as most of the players are under contract already. The time to judge a summer's transfer business is in August not in May. Totally agree as they are under contract then they automatically stay, especially at this stage of the process. Agree that Bolton, Goldbourne should stay as both impressed given the circumstances, and you have to give the club some credit for the LJL situation. Early days and don't understand the premeditated hype, or maybe I should by now.
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Post by Pilch on May 8, 2019 17:34:47 GMT 1
maybe he sees him as a potential number 3 maybe because he is worried nothing better will arrive maybe he's so cheap its worth keeping him do you seriously think hes signed him to be potential number 1 I dont I didn't seriously think Arnold was going to be number 1. Hang on... and his he ? you seem to know already
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Post by Deleted on May 8, 2019 17:40:24 GMT 1
It's not really a question of whether anyone has seen RCC play or not. People have different opinions anyway. It simply defies logic. If Ricketts saw RCC as a potential number 1 or 2 keeper next season then why didn't he play him this season? He's had plenty of opportunity to do so. Yet he preferred instead to play a loanee. So, it's baffling as to why he now thinks that RCC is worth a deal. As for LJL, most of us have seen him play and I'm yet to find anyone on this board that sings his praises as a league one player. But then we could all be wrong. I think with LJL it is very much us clearly demonstrating a duty of care for a player who is recovering from a serious injury. I might be wrong but if LJL had not been injured we would not be offering a further contract.
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Post by blamber on May 8, 2019 17:47:34 GMT 1
I didn't seriously think Arnold was going to be number 1. Hang on... and his he ? you seem to know already Arnold was no 1 last season. To be clear, I didn't seriously think that he would be number 1 when he was signed by Askey. But when you have poor keepers in the ranks then I can see why it happened. And I don't think any professional worth his salt would agree to be a number 3 keeper so soon into the close season. So RCC must surely be being given encouragement that he could be pushing for the number 1 spot. As for knowing something already - I don't. I'm not entirely sure why you think I do. But I'm sure you're going to tell me.
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Post by Pilch on May 8, 2019 17:47:37 GMT 1
maybe he sees him as a potential number 3 maybe because he is worried nothing better will arrive maybe he's so cheap its worth keeping him do you seriously think hes signed him to be potential number 1 I dont We said the same about Arnold last year no you didnt if I remember right, as recent as this January I dared to suggest he was poor and pretty much got ridiculed for it and was told I was on my own with that opinion, and got stick for it for weeks
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Post by tvor on May 8, 2019 17:48:34 GMT 1
Hopefully some of the under contract players will move on in the summer too to free up some space in the squad. The concern there is at what cost and to what extent that will reduce the budget for new players.
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Post by tvor on May 8, 2019 17:49:48 GMT 1
It's not really a question of whether anyone has seen RCC play or not. People have different opinions anyway. It simply defies logic. If Ricketts saw RCC as a potential number 1 or 2 keeper next season then why didn't he play him this season? He's had plenty of opportunity to do so. Yet he preferred instead to play a loanee. So, it's baffling as to why he now thinks that RCC is worth a deal. As for LJL, most of us have seen him play and I'm yet to find anyone on this board that sings his praises as a league one player. But then we could all be wrong. I think with LJL it is very much us clearly demonstrating a duty of care for a player who is recovering from a serious injury. I might be wrong but if LJL had not been injured we would not be offering a further contract. The question there is whether we needed to offer him a full year contract when he may be fit enough to move on in January 2020.
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Post by tvor on May 8, 2019 17:50:48 GMT 1
People seem generally okay with offering Golbourne a contract, personally I was hoping we would look elsewhere for a new left back.
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Post by tvor on May 8, 2019 17:54:56 GMT 1
Lewis Cox has spoken with Ricketts at Sundorne about the retained list so hopefully there will be more information to follow on his rationale.
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Post by mattmw on May 8, 2019 17:55:25 GMT 1
Hopefully some of the under contract players will move on in the summer too to free up some space in the squad. The concern there is at what cost and to what extent that will reduce the budget for new players. Was thinking more players being allowed to move on by mutual agreement rather than us paying them off. Waterfall to Lincoln seems a realistic one with Lincoln getting promotion and us needing to shake up the defence, and maybe there might be interest in some of the players who have been out on loan this season Agree though I think the retained list suggests at best maintaining the 19/20 budget, but probably reducing it a bit
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Post by Pilch on May 8, 2019 17:56:03 GMT 1
and his he ? you seem to know already Arnold was no 1 last season. To be clear, I didn't seriously think that he would be number 1 when he was signed by Askey. But when you have poor keepers in the ranks then I can see why it happened. And I don't think any professional worth his salt would agree to be a number 3 keeper so soon into the close season. So RCC must surely be being given encouragement that he could be pushing for the number 1 spot. As for knowing something already - I don't. I'm not entirely sure why you think I do. But I'm sure you're going to tell me. he was number 2 we had a premiership keeper on loan who was better and stats prove that, still wasn't good all the same but im convinced something happened off the pitch with Coleman as he was suddenly left out and returned back to his club
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Post by mattmw on May 8, 2019 17:58:12 GMT 1
People seem generally okay with offering Golbourne a contract, personally I was hoping we would look elsewhere for a new left back. He’s definitely improved as his fitness has come back, but agree I can’t really see he offers much especially if we are going for wing backs next season. Overall think we need pace in the defence - been a big issue this season
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Post by Deleted on May 8, 2019 17:59:40 GMT 1
We said the same about Arnold last year no you didnt if I remember right, as recent as this January I dared to suggest he was poor and pretty much got ridiculed for it and was told I was on my own with that opinion, and got stick for it for weeks I'm happy to be corrected but when we signed him I'm sure there was lots of people, including myself who were questioning the decision to sign him but were shot down as people suggested we would bring in a first choice keeper. We did bring in Coleman but didn't work out but Arnold became number 1 I agree with you about Arnold not being good enough, I just find it hilarious with your recent stance about complaining about fans slagging off the manager & team but forgetting your stance on Arnold.
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Post by Pilch on May 8, 2019 18:02:53 GMT 1
no you didnt if I remember right, as recent as this January I dared to suggest he was poor and pretty much got ridiculed for it and was told I was on my own with that opinion, and got stick for it for weeks I'm happy to be corrected but when we signed him I'm sure there was lots of people, including myself who were questioning the decision to sign him but were shot down as people suggested we would bring in a first choice keeper. We did bring in Coleman but didn't work out but Arnold became number 1 I agree with you about Arnold not being good enough, I just find it hilarious with your recent stance about complaining about fans slagging off the manager & team but forgetting your stance on Arnold. ricketts didnt sign Arnold
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Post by Deleted on May 8, 2019 18:04:25 GMT 1
Blimey, some folk need to calm down.
Long way to go and lots to be done.
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Post by Pilch on May 8, 2019 18:07:37 GMT 1
Blimey, some folk need to calm down. Long way to go and lots to be done. exactly , its crazy
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Post by Scarecrow on May 8, 2019 18:23:50 GMT 1
Isn’t the end of season and the retained list the chance to get rid of the deadwood?
Offering contracts to RCC and LJL just sets the wrong tone. It’s blatantly obvious we need a new goalkeeper but this seems to signal that Arnold is number one which is concerning in itself. LJL signing would offer us absolutely nothing.
Sadler going because of his age and legs, as well as the money invested in Waterfall is understandable but the contract offers beggars belief. Poor start to the summer.
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Post by Red Rose In Exile on May 8, 2019 18:24:49 GMT 1
I think the retained list should include fans imagine the fun when they announce certain blocks have been released from their season ticket seats and must re-apply again ;-) What block you in?!!
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Post by Scarecrow on May 8, 2019 18:27:49 GMT 1
Blimey, some folk need to calm down. Long way to go and lots to be done. exactly , its crazy Pilch you went on and on all season about how Arnold was rubbish and needed replacing, at some points I thought rather harshly, but I don’t understand how you can be seemingly okay with RCC getting a contract when he couldn’t get a game in front of Arnold? Are you not the least bit concerned that the contract situation indicates Arnold is number one next season?
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Post by Deleted on May 8, 2019 18:31:44 GMT 1
Unless, I've missed it, we don't know the length of JLL and RCC deals, do we?
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Post by northwestman on May 8, 2019 18:34:51 GMT 1
Unless, I've missed it, we don't know the length of JLL and RCC deals, do we? No we don't. But you can't see anyone signing for less than a year at least. Worrying times.
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Post by Deleted on May 8, 2019 18:36:19 GMT 1
Unless, I've missed it, we don't know the length of JLL and RCC deals, do we? Worrying times. No they aren't.
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Post by Pilch on May 8, 2019 18:37:06 GMT 1
Pilch you went on and on all season about how Arnold was rubbish and needed replacing, at some points I thought rather harshly, but I don’t understand how you can be seemingly okay with RCC getting a contract when he couldn’t get a game in front of Arnold? Are you not the least bit concerned that the contract situation indicates Arnold is number one next season? weeks back it was all about staying up we did you then said, you'll wait until after the coventry game to see the attitude of the players they did well and then all of a sudden couldn't let walsall stay up they never today , he's being judged on a contract offer that we know nothing about, or even what the intentions are ? what next ?
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Post by pensh on May 8, 2019 18:52:55 GMT 1
The concern there is at what cost and to what extent that will reduce the budget for new players. Was thinking more players being allowed to move on by mutual agreement rather than us paying them off. Waterfall to Lincoln seems a realistic one with Lincoln getting promotion and us needing to shake up the defence, and maybe there might be interest in some of the players who have been out on loan this season Agree though I think the retained list suggests at best maintaining the 19/20 budget, but probably reducing it a bit
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