|
Post by The Shropshire Tenor on Apr 22, 2019 22:58:44 GMT 1
On the subject of incompetence, the Oxford squad printed on the back of my programme is last seasons.
|
|
|
Post by Pilch on Apr 22, 2019 23:07:12 GMT 1
not seen the goals on tv yet or read the thread
hard to explain what happened today except we looked like a side where everyone was done after an hour
defence had a mare, keeper didnt help much and attackers resorted to hit and hope bit of a shambles last 30 lets hope it doesn't cost us
|
|
|
Post by horse01 on Apr 22, 2019 23:08:06 GMT 1
If I was Messrs Sears and Haynes, I’d be banging on Ricketts’ door asking what I’ve got to do to get a game? Bolton and Golbourne may be decent enough as defenders, but they offer nothing going forward. Sears and Haynes are much more suited as wing backs. That is of course if we stick to this sh*tty formation? The three at the back don’t work as a three. Two should be attacking the ball with one sweeping around the back. Instead, Williams and Beckles are constantly being drawn into the full back position leaving Waterfall hopelessly exposed. It’s not his fault he has no pace, but he is often isolated against a little whippet of a striker. He and Beckles should be attacking the ball, with Williams using his pace to sweep up behind them. Mitchell was constantly kicking the ball down the 9’6 number 4’s throat! Then if the ball does make it out wide to Bolton/Golbourne, they inevitably have to play it back inside as there are NO WIDE OPTIONS!! Or hopelessly try to get past their man - which rarely happens. Grant is supposed to protect the back line, but is spending more time on his arse than his feet. If Norburn was totally focused on his own game rather than berating everyone else, he would be more of an asset than a hindrance. He had the audacity to have a go at Docherty when his own ‘flick’ (loose term!) went to a defender. However, to take him off today was totally the wrong call - and don’t get me started on Laurent!! If Whalley was asked his ‘footballing address’, he would answer ‘no fixed abode’, as I’m sure he (as well as I) have no idea where he is playing?! A bit of composure in sight of goal wouldn’t go amiss either! Ridiculous decision to sub Campbell. And throwing on Gilliead was desperate. I said it when we went 2-1 up, ‘I hope we don’t sit back on this lead, as it won’t end well’!! Not wise after the event, I called it at the time. We were so negative. We played 1 up front at home against 10 men ffs!! Something changed at half time?! The mentality seemed totally different? I understand when people say Ricketts is learning on the job, but I’d rather he go and learn his trade at a level suited to his managerial ability, which I’m afraid isn’t at League 1 level - yet. We look pedestrian, unfit, incoherent, disjointed, confused, spineless, in fact, everything that was the polar opposite of last season!! Agree with some of that, seems like you gave most of the players a kick in. Norburn coming off made no impact, he was injured, however we were playing too slowly, even when he was on the pitch. The midfield had no part in any of the goals conceded, just poor defending, what they did lack was the tenacity to win the ball back, but they must have been told to let them have the ball, like they were last week, when everyone thought we were good. By the way what did Laurent do that was so bad? The team is weak mentally, we can’t seem to kill teams off when the match is tight and are always vulnerable at the back. When Laurent came on for Norburn, you’d expect someone with energy, drive determination and desire to win his place back and prove the manager wrong! He was almost the total opposite. He looked slow, lethargic and off the pace. His touch was poor, his shooting worse and he had zero influence on the game. Look, I’m not singling him out, and I do believe there could be a decent player in there? And everything I’ve said above could be labelled at a number of players in our squad? But we need more of them to show it or ship out.
|
|
|
Post by shrewswolf on Apr 22, 2019 23:43:47 GMT 1
A nice reminder they’re still the useless t**ts they were a few weeks ago. Even first half against a good, evidently in form, outfit followed by an error strewn, badly managed & ill disciplined 2nd half that Oxford controlled as though they had the extra man throughout. I think the players application & the managers inability to work the extra man in our favour were equally to blame here. A day to forget for all involved.
I was extremely surprised to see Campbell come off when he did, he didn’t appear half as tired as Whalley who had looked knackered just before half time. The poor guy soldiered on through the second half being the only one trying to make things happen but becoming increasingly bad at it as he ran more and more out of steam. A very poor use of options on the bench from Ricketts.
Norburn, Docherty, Whalley & Ro Shaun Williams did alright, the rest need to take another long hard look at themselves & question why as professionals they couldn’t control as lead with an extra man for so long against opponents supposedly on the beach.
Definitely throw Sears back in on Sunday, when I expect we may well already know we are safe despite today’s shambles. Ricketts could do with another performance of good quality out of the next 2. I haven’t forgotten how good we were at Barnsley, Gills & Southend but neither have I forgotten the dreadful crap that came before them. Same goes for many others I would think. He needs another good well earned point (or three) to keep enough on side ahead of the summer imo.
|
|
|
Post by supermac11 on Apr 22, 2019 23:52:41 GMT 1
just watched the goals again (deary me). Can anyone explain what on earth Waterfall is trying to do for the second goal? At the time I thought Beckles was at fault and, true, he doesn't cover himself in glory but it looks like he's taken by surprise by Waterfall's failure to cut the ball out. Can't do team confidence much good to know that the defence always has a calamity in it.
Anyway, we can't build a team around Waterfall or Beckles and playing five at the back is presumably meant to compensate for defensive frailties but then lumbers us going forward. Golbourne is almost as slow as Waterfall and Bolton is ok at defending but doesn't offer much going forward. Perhaps we would have been better playing a 451/433 formation.
|
|
wayahead
Midland League Division Two
Posts: 201
|
Post by wayahead on Apr 23, 2019 0:43:44 GMT 1
Agree with some of that, seems like you gave most of the players a kick in. Norburn coming off made no impact, he was injured, however we were playing too slowly, even when he was on the pitch. The midfield had no part in any of the goals conceded, just poor defending, what they did lack was the tenacity to win the ball back, but they must have been told to let them have the ball, like they were last week, when everyone thought we were good. By the way what did Laurent do that was so bad? The team is weak mentally, we can’t seem to kill teams off when the match is tight and are always vulnerable at the back. When Laurent came on for Norburn, you’d expect someone with energy, drive determination and desire to win his place back and prove the manager wrong! He was almost the total opposite. He looked slow, lethargic and off the pace. His touch was poor, his shooting worse and he had zero influence on the game. Look, I’m not singling him out, and I do believe there could be a decent player in there? And everything I’ve said above could be labelled at a number of players in our squad? But we need more of them to show it or ship out. When Laurent came on for Norburn, he sat deep next do Grant, I’m guessing they were his instructions. The team were obviously instructed to sit off Oxford and let them have the ball, what was he supposed to do run around like a headless chicken like the others (with the exception of Grant) you can’t press by yourself, especially against a passing team. Nearly every time he got the ball he went forward. He had one shot that went over the bar, others had many more that were all over the place. His touch was poor? When? I could accept if you singled him out if he had started, but to say he had zero influence when none of them did for the final 30 minutes when he came on and probably couldn’t from the way Ricketts set his team. Singled him out is exactly what you did. I’m not saying he was good, but to mention him, when I think every other player was worse than him in the final 30 minutes. Docherty went missing completely. Whalley’s shooting was awful. Norburn wasn’t in the game before he went off. Remarkable take on a game and performance.
|
|
|
Post by ssshrew on Apr 23, 2019 6:39:31 GMT 1
On the subject of incompetence, the Oxford squad printed on the back of my programme is last seasons. Well there’s a surprise!! No wonder not all the players were listed and I couldn’t find the bloke who was sent off. We were totally incompetent in every way yesterday. I despair. Who exactly does (or does not) proof read the programme. Is it another case of just over typing the one from the year before? It just makes us look so amateur.
|
|
|
Post by zenfootball2 on Apr 23, 2019 7:35:28 GMT 1
A nice reminder they’re still the useless t**ts they were a few weeks ago. Even first half against a good, evidently in form, outfit followed by an error strewn, badly managed & ill disciplined 2nd half that Oxford controlled as though they had the extra man throughout. I think the players application & the managers inability to work the extra man in our favour were equally to blame here. A day to forget for all involved. I was extremely surprised to see Campbell come off when he did, he didn’t appear half as tired as Whalley who had looked knackered just before half time. The poor guy soldiered on through the second half being the only one trying to make things happen but becoming increasingly bad at it as he ran more and more out of steam. A very poor use of options on the bench from Ricketts. Norburn, Docherty, Whalley & Ro Shaun Williams did alright, the rest need to take another long hard look at themselves & question why as professionals they couldn’t control as lead with an extra man for so long against opponents supposedly on the beach. Definitely throw Sears back in on Sunday, when I expect we may well already know we are safe despite today’s shambles. Ricketts could do with another performance of good quality out of the next 2. I haven’t forgotten how good we were at Barnsley, Gills & Southend but neither have I forgotten the dreadful cr@p that came before them. Same goes for many others I would think. He needs another good well earned point (or three) to keep enough on side ahead of the summer imo. "Even first half against a good, evidently in form, outfit followed by an error strewn, badly managed & ill disciplined 2nd half that Oxford controlled as though they had the extra man throughout. I think the players application & the managers inability to work the extra man in our favour were equally to blame here. A day to forget for all involved. " we were causing Oxford problems in the first half and creating chances, second half i dont know if it was tactics or fatigue but we took our foot of the gas for a lengthy period of time there keeper could have gone off and had a cup of tea. we totally failed to exploit the extra player. yet more dire defending and we threw three points and safety away.
|
|
|
Post by chestershrew on Apr 23, 2019 8:27:03 GMT 1
Your do not need three centre backs when playing against 10 men with 1 striker. That gives away your numerical advantage and you end up with defenders in attacking positions looking to make passes. Had we had taken Beckles off and played Waterfall and Williams as two centre backs (one to challenge and one to drop off and cover) we would not have conceded those 2nd half goals today. When you have the ball, your full backs should push on against 10 Men and force them back and make your advantage count in the attacking half. Yes the players were awful 2nd half, but a better / more experienced manager would also have saved us today. Your full backs push on when you’re playing a back four, 2-1 up against 10 men? You reckon a better/more experienced manager would have done that? Hmmm, ok ...... 100% Control the ball, control the tempo, play in the opposition half and therefore control the game. (I would love to be able to claim this strategy as my own, but it’s stolen from managers, far better than myself, who applied it when they had a man advantage.)
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Apr 23, 2019 8:53:21 GMT 1
Looks like that freak goal against scunny may have saved our bacon. Not to mention the scrape home against wycombe.
I hope results go our way this weekend because I do not fancy this group or the manager on the last day to have to get some sort of a result.
|
|
|
Post by horse01 on Apr 23, 2019 9:05:18 GMT 1
When Laurent came on for Norburn, you’d expect someone with energy, drive determination and desire to win his place back and prove the manager wrong! He was almost the total opposite. He looked slow, lethargic and off the pace. His touch was poor, his shooting worse and he had zero influence on the game. Look, I’m not singling him out, and I do believe there could be a decent player in there? And everything I’ve said above could be labelled at a number of players in our squad? But we need more of them to show it or ship out. When Laurent came on for Norburn, he sat deep next do Grant, I’m guessing they were his instructions. The team were obviously instructed to sit off Oxford and let them have the ball, what was he supposed to do run around like a headless chicken like the others (with the exception of Grant) you can’t press by yourself, especially against a passing team. Nearly every time he got the ball he went forward. He had one shot that went over the bar, others had many more that were all over the place. His touch was poor? When? I could accept if you singled him out if he had started, but to say he had zero influence when none of them did for the final 30 minutes when he came on and probably couldn’t from the way Ricketts set his team. Singled him out is exactly what you did. I’m not saying he was good, but to mention him, when I think every other player was worse than him in the final 30 minutes. Docherty went missing completely. Whalley’s shooting was awful. Norburn wasn’t in the game before he went off. Remarkable take on a game and performance. Obviously I singled Laurent out, that is why the first line of your first reply to me states, and I quote YOU directly: ‘Agree with some of that, seems like you gave most of the players a kick in.’ Obviously I will trust your judgement over my own eyes. Thanks for enlightening me 👍🏻
|
|
|
Post by ssshrew on Apr 23, 2019 9:08:37 GMT 1
Looks like that freak goal against scunny may have saved our bacon. Not to mention the scr@pe home against wycombe. I hope results go our way this weekend because I do not fancy this group or the manager on the last day to have to get some sort of a result. At the moment I wouldn’t trust any of them to do anything.
|
|
|
Post by northwestman on Apr 23, 2019 9:32:47 GMT 1
Second half was as bad as Northampton at home in 1993 under Bond. Funny you should say that. The name Robbie Turner did come into my thoughts yesterday when watching Waterfall's pitiful attempts to defend.
|
|
pensh
Shropshire County League
Posts: 50
|
Post by pensh on Apr 23, 2019 9:43:47 GMT 1
Waterfall was seriously at fault for both the 2nd and 3rd goals as can be seen on the video.
|
|
|
Post by northwestman on Apr 23, 2019 9:44:44 GMT 1
On the subject of incompetence, the Oxford squad printed on the back of my programme is last seasons. Well there’s a surprise!! No wonder not all the players were listed and I couldn’t find the bloke who was sent off. We were totally incompetent in every way yesterday. I despair. Who exactly does (or does not) proof read the programme. Is it another case of just over typing the one from the year before? It just makes us look so amateur. Another to add to the extremely long list of errors made over the years. And I confidently expect more to take place in the future, as nothing is ever done. You really shouldn't be expected to pay £3 for a programme only to have last year's Oxford squad printed on the back.
|
|
|
Post by ssshrew on Apr 23, 2019 9:46:08 GMT 1
Precisely and no one seems to take responsibility for it either.
|
|
|
Post by venceremos on Apr 23, 2019 10:16:51 GMT 1
Your full backs push on when you’re playing a back four, 2-1 up against 10 men? You reckon a better/more experienced manager would have done that? Hmmm, ok ...... 100% Control the ball, control the tempo, play in the opposition half and therefore control the game. (I would love to be able to claim this strategy as my own, but it’s stolen from managers, far better than myself, who applied it when they had a man advantage.) I make no claims to being a manager but that seems to leave a lot of space to exploit on the counter when the opposition's forwards are quicker than your own centre backs. Much like yesterday ...
|
|
|
Post by chestershrew on Apr 23, 2019 11:18:44 GMT 1
100% Control the ball, control the tempo, play in the opposition half and therefore control the game. (I would love to be able to claim this strategy as my own, but it’s stolen from managers, far better than myself, who applied it when they had a man advantage.) I make no claims to being a manager but that seems to leave a lot of space to exploit on the counter when the opposition's forwards are quicker than your own centre backs. Much like yesterday ... Yesterday was a prime example of too many defenders. Waterfall should have stood on Whyte and challenged for the first ball. Williams should have swept behind him. The three were far too wide exposing Waterfall 1 on 1. I am not saying the full backs are not expected to go back with runners, but if they play high up the field you make the wide players go with them, which make it much harder to counter attack.
|
|
|
Post by zenfootball2 on Apr 23, 2019 11:25:31 GMT 1
I make no claims to being a manager but that seems to leave a lot of space to exploit on the counter when the opposition's forwards are quicker than your own centre backs. Much like yesterday ... Yesterday was a prime example of too many defenders. Waterfall should have stood on Whyte and challenged for the first ball. Williams should have swept behind him. The three were far too wide exposing Waterfall 1 on 1. I am not saying the full backs are not expected to go back with runners, but if they play high up the field you make the wide players go with them, which make it much harder to counter attack. with Beckles and Waterfalls lack of pace we only have Williams with any hope of catching a pacey winger / forward
|
|
|
Post by Exkeeper on Apr 23, 2019 11:33:26 GMT 1
If any central defenders want to leave their area of responsibility, they should always ensure that someone with pace is left to look after the shop (no, not LJL). It is criminal to leave the most cumbersome home alone, or alongside someone who seems to think “communication” is a word from a completely foreign language. I notice that suddenly all the waffle about clean sheets now Arnold is not playing, and having a keeper who doesn’t keep kicking the ball out of play, has now been laid to rest. No-one will ever know, but I reckon SA would have made a better job of trying to save at least one of the last two goals.
|
|
|
Post by Exkeeper on Apr 23, 2019 11:34:59 GMT 1
Yesterday was a prime example of too many defenders. Waterfall should have stood on Whyte and challenged for the first ball. Williams should have swept behind him. The three were far too wide exposing Waterfall 1 on 1. I am not saying the full backs are not expected to go back with runners, but if they play high up the field you make the wide players go with them, which make it much harder to counter attack. with Beckles and Waterfalls lack of pace we only have Williams with any hope of catching a pacey winger / forward I keep getting told that Beccles is quick.☹️
|
|
|
Post by zenfootball2 on Apr 23, 2019 11:44:22 GMT 1
with Beckles and Waterfalls lack of pace we only have Williams with any hope of catching a pacey winger / forward I keep getting told that Beccles is quick.☹️ i think if you had a sprint race between Saddler / Wterfall/ Beckles and Williams Saddler / Wterfall might tie for third Beckles second and Williams wins by a country mile so whilst he is quicker than Waterfall he is not speedy Gonzales either
|
|
masshrop
Midland League Division Two
Posts: 191
|
Post by masshrop on Apr 23, 2019 12:04:21 GMT 1
out of the bottom 15 sides only 3 teams have conceded LESS than town , burton fleetwood and bristol, believe me there's worse sides than us at the back, league one defenders will occasionly make a hash of things otherwise im sure they'd be plying there trade higher up the pyramid , yesterday was a blip in my opionion , we will get something at coventry in the unlikely event its needed .
|
|
|
Post by davycrockett on Apr 23, 2019 12:14:12 GMT 1
Mitchell seemed to make no attempt to save the 1st goal, and was far too easily beaten for the 2nd. Worth giving Charles Cook a run out against his old Club next week? From directly behind the goal it was evident the player controlled it with his arm (also obvious in the highlights) which surprised Mitchell hence no save..... Is Arnold fit cos Mitchell’s now been involved in 3/4 errors in the last few (maybe 2) games
|
|
|
Post by El Huracán!!!! on Apr 23, 2019 12:19:09 GMT 1
out of the bottom 15 sides only 3 teams have conceded LESS than town , burton fleetwood and bristol, believe me there's worse sides than us at the back, league one defenders will occasionly make a hash of things otherwise im sure they'd be plying there trade higher up the pyramid , yesterday was a blip in my opionion , we will get something at coventry in the unlikely event its needed . Have to balance that by the fact that we play 5 at the back and a lot of teams dont, we have to play five because the individual defenders at the club all have issues that are easily exposed by pace, skill or sometimes just brute force.
|
|
|
Post by chirkshrew on Apr 23, 2019 12:32:29 GMT 1
Let's put it like this, if nsiala would of been playing yesterday, there is no way that lad would of scored the 3 goals.so there lies the difference-----quality of centre half's.said it before, next season we will need a good goalie, a good centre half, and a decent striker.how the hell we have ended up in this position, God only knows, I'm still shaking my head after monday
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Apr 23, 2019 13:04:41 GMT 1
with Beckles and Waterfalls lack of pace we only have Williams with any hope of catching a pacey winger / forward I keep getting told that Beccles is quick.☹️ Not as quick as this guy.
|
|
|
Post by zenfootball2 on Apr 23, 2019 13:41:45 GMT 1
who ever wonts to see there team get beaten , but if your turn give 100% or get beaten by a better team then that is fair enough, sometimes you lose because of poor officials and evryone makes mistake. you just hope the team will try and work hard and play to the best of there abilities. we played well against Barnsley but lost because we were not clinical enough, we lost to Oxford due to a combination of players not turning up for the second half and sloppy defending .when you are battling relegation so many players not turning up is inexcusable .
|
|
|
Post by zenfootball2 on Apr 23, 2019 13:46:50 GMT 1
out of the bottom 15 sides only 3 teams have conceded LESS than town , burton fleetwood and bristol, believe me there's worse sides than us at the back, league one defenders will occasionly make a hash of things otherwise im sure they'd be plying there trade higher up the pyramid , yesterday was a blip in my opionion , we will get something at coventry in the unlikely event its needed . Have to balance that by the fact that we play 5 at the back and a lot of teams dont, we have to play five because the individual defenders at the club all have issues that are easily exposed by pace, skill or sometimes just brute force. if we play cook against Coventry we are doomed.
|
|
|
Post by ssshrew on Apr 23, 2019 13:58:33 GMT 1
Just at the moment I feel if we play any of them we are doomed!!
|
|