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Post by venceremos on Apr 22, 2019 19:53:00 GMT 1
I think we are underestimating the role played by the Oxford Manager. Karl Robinson had a job to do at half time. His team were a goal down and down to ten men. He did his job perfectly. Our manager had a job to do at half time. His team were a goal up playing against ten men. He didn't do his job. Karl Robinson has a lot of experience at this level and it showed. Our manager has no experience at this level and it showed. Its difficult to blame Ricketts. He was out done by sheer experience so well done Robinson. I was a bit concerned that he made two subs at half time. Suggested they had a strategy to get back at us with fresh runners in the heat. I thought that strategy was to keep the ball, mostly in their own half, and maybe play for set pieces or come at us late on if it was still 2-1. Silly me - I reckoned without the inadequacy of our team ...
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Post by wayahead on Apr 22, 2019 19:55:44 GMT 1
So back to playing half a game and poor defence. After the Barnsley game despite the result I really thought the team had moved on and were now looking solid, but second half today was awful. Imo they must all take the blame, something's not working and the players' attitude is beyond belief. We know they can play well and yet at a crucial game to put this season to bed they f***** it up. Was looking forward to the Coventry game, but tonight I'm not sure if I'm going to bother despite already have the ticket. I don’t want to say I told you so, but I told you so...I posted this on the Barnsley thread: I know I stand alone here, I did not see what everybody else did. We were better than recent weeks, but far from good. We could not keep the ball. I did not see any high press, McGeehan, their CM dictated play, our midfield could not (or maybe did not want to) get anywhere near him. Yes we did have the better chances, but apart from the chances they were always in control. We lost virtually every second ball. I thought Docherty offered very little, but I thought that last week also and he was awarded MOM. The ball he played in to Waterfall, was a top quality pass, Premiership level, but apart from that he was anonymous. If we play like that every week, letting the opponents have the ball and dictate play we will be in trouble, Oxford keep the ball better than Barnsley. Well Oxford did keep the ball better and we allowed them to. Awful tactics from the manager 2nd half allowing them to have the ball and grow into the game. I’m hearing no urgency from other fans, but if we are just being told to sit off how can we possibly gain any momentum and urgency. Still we can’t defend, Docherty still offers little, if he does not score I see very little. Whalley works hard but his decision making is terrible. But we scream for these 2 every week. The team has no balance or heart.
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Post by horse01 on Apr 22, 2019 19:56:43 GMT 1
Ricketts- not good enough The players- not good enough The formation- not good enough The tactics- not good enough The mentality- not good enough The fitness- not good enough Board room decision making- not good enough
Just not bloody good enough
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Post by Deleted on Apr 22, 2019 20:21:49 GMT 1
So back to playing half a game and poor defence. After the Barnsley game despite the result I really thought the team had moved on and were now looking solid, but second half today was awful. Imo they must all take the blame, something's not working and the players' attitude is beyond belief. We know they can play well and yet at a crucial game to put this season to bed they f***** it up. Was looking forward to the Coventry game, but tonight I'm not sure if I'm going to bother despite already have the ticket. I don’t want to say I told you so, but I told you so...I posted this on the Barnsley thread: I know I stand alone here, I did not see what everybody else did. We were better than recent weeks, but far from good. We could not keep the ball. I did not see any high press, McGeehan, their CM dictated play, our midfield could not (or maybe did not want to) get anywhere near him. Yes we did have the better chances, but apart from the chances they were always in control. We lost virtually every second ball. I thought Docherty offered very little, but I thought that last week also and he was awarded MOM. The ball he played in to Waterfall, was a top quality pass, Premiership level, but apart from that he was anonymous. If we play like that every week, letting the opponents have the ball and dictate play we will be in trouble, Oxford keep the ball better than Barnsley. Well Oxford did keep the ball better and we allowed them to. Awful tactics from the manager 2nd half allowing them to have the ball and grow into the game. I’m hearing no urgency from other fans, but if we are just being told to sit off how can we possibly gain any momentum and urgency. Still we can’t defend, Docherty still offers little, if he does not score I see very little. Whalley works hard but his decision making is terrible. But we scream for these 2 every week. The team has no balance or heart. Are you sure your not getting Whalley mixed up with Gilliead? Whalley has lots of heart, for me cares about the club, he defends, attacks and has direct dribbles with pace, yes at times his shot is wide, but he is league one player that i would keep. Yes i agree with you about Docherty, doesn't work as hard sometime drifts in and out of games, but the world class creativity he has score's us goals, there is no other player that can spot that key pass so in my opinion hes the best we have. But he will go back to Rangers so won't be around next season. We were let down by Waterfall and Beckles switching off 3 times. We need 2 more centre backs with better concentration, i don't think we are far off from a top 10 finish next season replace Docherty with a creative midfielder and a new keeper.
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Post by blueboy62 on Apr 22, 2019 20:24:57 GMT 1
Ricketts- not good enough The players- not good enough The formation- not good enough The tactics- not good enough The mentality- not good enough The fitness- not good enough Board room decision making- not good enough Just not bloody good enough Stop waffling on and tell us what you really think😊
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Post by albionshrew on Apr 22, 2019 20:35:02 GMT 1
May - not good enough The MPs - not good enough The formation- not good enough The tactics- not good enough The mentality- not good enough The fitness- not good enough Brexit decision making- not good enough Just not bloody good enough - we need a People's Vote! Stop waffling on and tell us what you really think😊 I thought it was a comment on our beloved government!
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Post by Deleted on Apr 22, 2019 20:36:31 GMT 1
I am still struggling with how we can go from an attacking position to conceding a goal for the third.
Appalling.
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Post by southstandviewer on Apr 22, 2019 20:39:59 GMT 1
First half I thought was ok given our performances this season. I did think it was handball for their goal.
Second half was just a car crash happening in front of us, Norburn was confident and I though playing fairly well trying to dictate the play, he was then subbed. As he went off he initially didn't shake SR's hand, when he did SR pulled him back and said something to him, it appeared to me that there they did not agree.
Fejiri came on and was clueless, he was out of position, making the same runs as others and playing himself out of the game.
We resorted to Waterfall and Williams trying to play out of defence to commit them to come forward but frankly they are the last in the team who should be doing that.
For the record that was my 14 game this season and I've seen 13 losses and 1 win at Stoke. I am going to Coventry but cannot make Walsall, those going to those matches take note!
If we don't win at Coventry it will be my first ever season without seeing a league win in 40 years.
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Post by percy on Apr 22, 2019 20:44:56 GMT 1
It's true that it's a game of opinions but the way I saw it.. Whalley dived theatrically for the penalty and squandered lots of possession today - yep he is great at running with the ball, but he does not look like scoring and his final ball/shot is woeful. Gillead is his younger clone. Grant is frustrating me more and more each game - he is constantly looking to fall over when anyone goes near him - today he met his match in a ref who was not falling for it and I had a chuckle when he got a handball against him when he fell over and picked the ball up in expectation of the usual free kick (I would have preferred him to get subbed off rather than Norburn). Beckles I thought had a good game and beginning to get back to the player of last season - if we were safe I'd think about a back three of Beckles, Williams and Bolton because Waterfall is too easily turned and is just slow. Norburn frustrates me with his constant whinging at the ref and other (mainly opposition) players; but I am warming to him. Not sure about Mitchell - we really need a decent keeper for next year. Docherty had more passion that any of our players but Bolton, Williams and Campbell also played well IMO.
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Post by northwestman on Apr 22, 2019 20:45:50 GMT 1
I am still struggling with how we can go from an attacking position to conceding a goal for the third. Appalling. Two hoofs upfield by Oxford. 2 goals. A pub team could have defended better than those 2 clowns in central defence. Goalkeeper doesn't escape blame too. If you look carefully you'll see that they are at fault for the 1st goal too. Waterfall leaves the line for no reason that I can see, whilst Beckles gives Whyte all the time he needs to turn and shoot.
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Post by chestershrew on Apr 22, 2019 20:56:11 GMT 1
Your do not need three centre backs when playing against 10 men with 1 striker. That gives away your numerical advantage and you end up with defenders in attacking positions looking to make passes.
Had we had taken Beckles off and played Waterfall and Williams as two centre backs (one to challenge and one to drop off and cover) we would not have conceded those 2nd half goals today.
When you have the ball, your full backs should push on against 10 Men and force them back and make your advantage count in the attacking half.
Yes the players were awful 2nd half, but a better / more experienced manager would also have saved us today.
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Post by Feedo Gnasher on Apr 22, 2019 20:58:04 GMT 1
To be honest, those goals apart I though Beckles was very good up to that point. Also thought he was very good at Barnsley, but it is worrying that he may always have that tendency to just switch off, or misjudge a ball.
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Post by tvor on Apr 22, 2019 21:04:22 GMT 1
Your do not need three centre backs when playing against 10 men with 1 striker. That gives away your numerical advantage and you end up with defenders in attacking positions looking to make passes. Oxford changed their formation to 4-3-2 after halftime.
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Post by blueboy62 on Apr 22, 2019 21:15:24 GMT 1
Have to give credit to their manager. He got his tactics spot on 2nd half. They had us chasing the ball around deep in their own half as if we were the ones with ten men. God knows what was said at the break but what followed was an utter embarrasment. We lost all momentum and the players didn't seem to know whether to attack or try to see the game out. They ended up doing neither.
Robinson had done his homework on Waterfall and exploited his lack of pace superbly. What are we doing leaving him so exposed. Rickets is on a steep learning curve and he's doing it with some unreliable players. It's been a shambles of a season but Rickets has just about earned the right to manage his own Players next season. A late draw with Walsall will ensure its in League 1. (He said hopefully)
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Post by wayahead on Apr 22, 2019 21:27:34 GMT 1
I don’t want to say I told you so, but I told you so...I posted this on the Barnsley thread: I know I stand alone here, I did not see what everybody else did. We were better than recent weeks, but far from good. We could not keep the ball. I did not see any high press, McGeehan, their CM dictated play, our midfield could not (or maybe did not want to) get anywhere near him. Yes we did have the better chances, but apart from the chances they were always in control. We lost virtually every second ball. I thought Docherty offered very little, but I thought that last week also and he was awarded MOM. The ball he played in to Waterfall, was a top quality pass, Premiership level, but apart from that he was anonymous. If we play like that every week, letting the opponents have the ball and dictate play we will be in trouble, Oxford keep the ball better than Barnsley. Well Oxford did keep the ball better and we allowed them to. Awful tactics from the manager 2nd half allowing them to have the ball and grow into the game. I’m hearing no urgency from other fans, but if we are just being told to sit off how can we possibly gain any momentum and urgency. Still we can’t defend, Docherty still offers little, if he does not score I see very little. Whalley works hard but his decision making is terrible. But we scream for these 2 every week. The team has no balance or heart. Are you sure your not getting Whalley mixed up with Gilliead? Whalley has lots of heart, for me cares about the club, he defends, attacks and has direct dribbles with pace, yes at times his shot is wide, but he is league one player that i would keep. Yes i agree with you about Docherty, doesn't work as hard sometime drifts in and out of games, but the world class creativity he has score's us goals, there is no other player that can spot that key pass so in my opinion hes the best we have. But he will go back to Rangers so won't be around next season. We were let down by Waterfall and Beckles switching off 3 times. We need 2 more centre backs with better concentration, i don't think we are far off from a top 10 finish next season replace Docherty with a creative midfielder and a new keeper. 100% Whalley has lots of heart and does care, but 9/10 his decision making is horrific. When it comes off it looks good, but far to many times it does not, today was a prime example. Docherty is one of those all action players, that plays to the fans. He scores goals and the 10 or so is proof of that, but lacks quality. He has no world class creativity, the ball he played last week to Waterfall was top, but that does not happen very often. When he does not score he offers very little. He buzzed around today when we were on top in the 1st half looking for the ball. 2nd half he went missing. We were let down by inept tactics, allowing a team of 10 to dictate play, by allowing them to have possession, grow into a game and become confident. The awful defending was just the icing on the cake.
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Post by socrates1974 on Apr 22, 2019 21:30:58 GMT 1
Second half was as bad as Northampton at home in 1993 under Bond.
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Post by ssshrew on Apr 22, 2019 21:37:19 GMT 1
Second half was as bad as Northampton at home in 1993 under Bond. It certainly had all the same hallmarks of pressing a self destruct button!
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Post by SeanBroseley on Apr 22, 2019 21:38:26 GMT 1
Bar the ill-discipline of two players giving away a penalty and being sent off Oxford would have gone in at half time ahead. The Oxford manager would have said similar I am sure, and that there was no reason why Oxford could not get something out of the game.
In the second half they took control of the ball but were mainly in their own half and we were coping with the final ball for the first 25 minutes or so of the second half.
Given that they had the ball a lot in their own half wouldn't it have made sense to have put Okenabirhie up front with Campbell in place of a midfielder?
If there was one player in midfield I would not have taken off it would have been Norburn as he is in decent form and has time on the ball. I can only assume that Norburn was injured. If it was tactical then it was an error of judgement that handed more of the initiative to Oxford.
We know that Waterfall can only play the game when it is front of him. So it makes mo sense to leave him in the position he was in for their winning goal.
I don't know what to say about Ricketts. I just don't feel as though we are in safe hands with him. I think we will not get relegated this season but next season is a worry. In particular the managerial team does not seem to cope very well with the opposition's in game tactical changes.
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Post by blueboy62 on Apr 22, 2019 21:39:38 GMT 1
Stop waffling on and tell us what you really think😊 I thought it was a comment on our beloved government! I always thought Guy Fawkes got a bad press. Sure of it now.
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Post by blueboy62 on Apr 22, 2019 21:48:45 GMT 1
Stop waffling on and tell us what you really think😊 I thought it was a comment on our beloved government! I always thought Guy Fawkes got a bad press. Sure of it now.
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Post by horse01 on Apr 22, 2019 21:56:02 GMT 1
If I was Messrs Sears and Haynes, I’d be banging on Ricketts’ door asking what I’ve got to do to get a game?
Bolton and Golbourne may be decent enough as defenders, but they offer nothing going forward. Sears and Haynes are much more suited as wing backs.
That is of course if we stick to this sh*tty formation?
The three at the back don’t work as a three. Two should be attacking the ball with one sweeping around the back. Instead, Williams and Beckles are constantly being drawn into the full back position leaving Waterfall hopelessly exposed. It’s not his fault he has no pace, but he is often isolated against a little whippet of a striker. He and Beckles should be attacking the ball, with Williams using his pace to sweep up behind them.
Mitchell was constantly kicking the ball down the 9’6 number 4’s throat!
Then if the ball does make it out wide to Bolton/Golbourne, they inevitably have to play it back inside as there are NO WIDE OPTIONS!! Or hopelessly try to get past their man - which rarely happens.
Grant is supposed to protect the back line, but is spending more time on his arse than his feet.
If Norburn was totally focused on his own game rather than berating everyone else, he would be more of an asset than a hindrance. He had the audacity to have a go at Docherty when his own ‘flick’ (loose term!) went to a defender. However, to take him off today was totally the wrong call - and don’t get me started on Laurent!!
If Whalley was asked his ‘footballing address’, he would answer ‘no fixed abode’, as I’m sure he (as well as I) have no idea where he is playing?! A bit of composure in sight of goal wouldn’t go amiss either!
Ridiculous decision to sub Campbell. And throwing on Gilliead was desperate.
I said it when we went 2-1 up, ‘I hope we don’t sit back on this lead, as it won’t end well’!! Not wise after the event, I called it at the time. We were so negative. We played 1 up front at home against 10 men ffs!!
Something changed at half time?! The mentality seemed totally different? I understand when people say Ricketts is learning on the job, but I’d rather he go and learn his trade at a level suited to his managerial ability, which I’m afraid isn’t at League 1 level - yet.
We look pedestrian, unfit, incoherent, disjointed, confused, spineless, in fact, everything that was the polar opposite of last season!!
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Post by tvor on Apr 22, 2019 21:59:33 GMT 1
Bar the ill-discipline of two players giving away a penalty and being sent off Oxford would have gone in at half time ahead. The Oxford manager would have said similar I am sure, and that there was no reason why Oxford could not get something out of the game. In the second half they took control of the ball but were mainly in their own half and we were coping with the final ball for the first 25 minutes or so of the second half. Given that they had the ball a lot in their own half wouldn't it have made sense to have put Okenabirhie up front with Campbell in place of a midfielder? If there was one player in midfield I would not have taken off it would have been Norburn as he is in decent form and has time on the ball. I can only assume that Norburn was injured. If it was tactical then it was an error of judgement that handed more of the initiative to Oxford. We know that Waterfall can only play the game when it is front of him. So it makes mo sense to leave him in the position he was in for their winning goal. I don't know what to say about Ricketts. I just don't feel as though we are in safe hands with him. I think we will not get relegated this season but next season is a worry. In particular the managerial team does not seem to cope very well with the opposition's in game tactical changes. Robinson's post-match comments referred to an anger in his team at halftime that they used as a sort of siege mentally in the second half to spur them on. He inferred there was some sort of bust up in the tunnel at halftime. www.oxfordmail.co.uk/sport/oxfordunited/usnews/17590122.oxford-uniteds-ten-man-comeback-at-shrewsbury-town-fuelled-by-anger/Ricketts post-match interview indicated Norburn's substitution was tactical. Your comments about Ricketts in the final paragraph are spot on, next season is a real worry.
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Post by jimmelrosesjaw on Apr 22, 2019 22:03:52 GMT 1
I like Grant. I think he is a great player, however, he is a loose cannon and his performances in the last few games make me believe he is running down his contract and has a new destination sorted for next season.
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Post by wayahead on Apr 22, 2019 22:04:38 GMT 1
Bar the ill-discipline of two players giving away a penalty and being sent off Oxford would have gone in at half time ahead. The Oxford manager would have said similar I am sure, and that there was no reason why Oxford could not get something out of the game. In the second half they took control of the ball but were mainly in their own half and we were coping with the final ball for the first 25 minutes or so of the second half. Given that they had the ball a lot in their own half wouldn't it have made sense to have put Okenabirhie up front with Campbell in place of a midfielder? If there was one player in midfield I would not have taken off it would have been Norburn as he is in decent form and has time on the ball. I can only assume that Norburn was injured. If it was tactical then it was an error of judgement that handed more of the initiative to Oxford. We know that Waterfall can only play the game when it is front of him. So it makes mo sense to leave him in the position he was in for their winning goal. I don't know what to say about Ricketts. I just don't feel as though we are in safe hands with him. I think we will not get relegated this season but next season is a worry. In particular the managerial team does not seem to cope very well with the opposition's in game tactical changes. I thought the game was pretty even, when their player got sent off. The fact we allowed them to have the ball in their own half and keep it was a huge factor, if they were hurting us or not. We were playing Oxford not Manchester City. We should of had the ball dictating play and them trying to block off passing channels. Huge mistake on the manager’s behalf. Every time they had it we should of been pressing them high to get it back. Okenabirhie does not work hard enough out of possession, he’s a goalscorer, put him on when you need a goal or start him. Putting him on for Campbell was another crazy decision. Norburn was injured, but him not being on the pitch had little to do with us losing. He is just as likely to get sent off as he is putting a good pass through. We beat Doncaster which was one of our best 1st half displays without him like we did Southend. Blame the manager today, that’s it.
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Post by wayahead on Apr 22, 2019 22:17:54 GMT 1
If I was Messrs Sears and Haynes, I’d be banging on Ricketts’ door asking what I’ve got to do to get a game? Bolton and Golbourne may be decent enough as defenders, but they offer nothing going forward. Sears and Haynes are much more suited as wing backs. That is of course if we stick to this sh*tty formation? The three at the back don’t work as a three. Two should be attacking the ball with one sweeping around the back. Instead, Williams and Beckles are constantly being drawn into the full back position leaving Waterfall hopelessly exposed. It’s not his fault he has no pace, but he is often isolated against a little whippet of a striker. He and Beckles should be attacking the ball, with Williams using his pace to sweep up behind them. Mitchell was constantly kicking the ball down the 9’6 number 4’s throat! Then if the ball does make it out wide to Bolton/Golbourne, they inevitably have to play it back inside as there are NO WIDE OPTIONS!! Or hopelessly try to get past their man - which rarely happens. Grant is supposed to protect the back line, but is spending more time on his arse than his feet. If Norburn was totally focused on his own game rather than berating everyone else, he would be more of an asset than a hindrance. He had the audacity to have a go at Docherty when his own ‘flick’ (loose term!) went to a defender. However, to take him off today was totally the wrong call - and don’t get me started on Laurent!! If Whalley was asked his ‘footballing address’, he would answer ‘no fixed abode’, as I’m sure he (as well as I) have no idea where he is playing?! A bit of composure in sight of goal wouldn’t go amiss either! Ridiculous decision to sub Campbell. And throwing on Gilliead was desperate. I said it when we went 2-1 up, ‘I hope we don’t sit back on this lead, as it won’t end well’!! Not wise after the event, I called it at the time. We were so negative. We played 1 up front at home against 10 men ffs!! Something changed at half time?! The mentality seemed totally different? I understand when people say Ricketts is learning on the job, but I’d rather he go and learn his trade at a level suited to his managerial ability, which I’m afraid isn’t at League 1 level - yet. We look pedestrian, unfit, incoherent, disjointed, confused, spineless, in fact, everything that was the polar opposite of last season!! Agree with some of that, seems like you gave most of the players a kick in. Norburn coming off made no impact, he was injured, however we were playing too slowly, even when he was on the pitch. The midfield had no part in any of the goals conceded, just poor defending, what they did lack was the tenacity to win the ball back, but they must have been told to let them have the ball, like they were last week, when everyone thought we were good. By the way what did Laurent do that was so bad? The team is weak mentally, we can’t seem to kill teams off when the match is tight and are always vulnerable at the back.
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Post by chestershrew on Apr 22, 2019 22:22:28 GMT 1
Your do not need three centre backs when playing against 10 men with 1 striker. That gives away your numerical advantage and you end up with defenders in attacking positions looking to make passes. Oxford changed their formation to 4-3-2 after halftime. Without the ball, one dropped into deep, they did not leave two upfield.
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Post by markievw on Apr 22, 2019 22:31:21 GMT 1
Your do not need three centre backs when playing against 10 men with 1 striker. That gives away your numerical advantage and you end up with defenders in attacking positions looking to make passes. Had we had taken Beckles off and played Waterfall and Williams as two centre backs (one to challenge and one to drop off and cover) we would not have conceded those 2nd half goals today. When you have the ball, your full backs should push on against 10 Men and force them back and make your advantage count in the attacking half. Yes the players were awful 2nd half, but a better / more experienced manager would also have saved us today. Absolutely agree with this. You are playing against 10 men with only 1 striker against your back 5. Common sense says change to a flat back four. Then I would put 5 in midfield. Then 1 up front. we would get better control in midfield. Why didn't Ricketts see this at any point of the second half? Beggars belief!!
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Post by The Shropshire Tenor on Apr 22, 2019 22:36:21 GMT 1
Watching Waterfall trying to run, I felt embarrassed for him. Williams is reputed to be quick, why wasn’t he covering?
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Post by venceremos on Apr 22, 2019 22:37:55 GMT 1
Your do not need three centre backs when playing against 10 men with 1 striker. That gives away your numerical advantage and you end up with defenders in attacking positions looking to make passes. Had we had taken Beckles off and played Waterfall and Williams as two centre backs (one to challenge and one to drop off and cover) we would not have conceded those 2nd half goals today. When you have the ball, your full backs should push on against 10 Men and force them back and make your advantage count in the attacking half. Yes the players were awful 2nd half, but a better / more experienced manager would also have saved us today. Your full backs push on when you’re playing a back four, 2-1 up against 10 men? You reckon a better/more experienced manager would have done that? Hmmm, ok ......
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Post by randomtictacs on Apr 22, 2019 22:55:35 GMT 1
Decent first half , against a good footballing side in good form. Some good movement to create chances and for the second goal.
Fantastically inept second half display. Basically the managers fault. Tactics all wrong. Out thought by a more experienced manger. Team also out-done second half by some players about as decent as them on the ball, only with bigger ones and prepared to work harder to make their plan work. We didn't have enough brains on or off the pitch to cope with it. (Lack of legs on the pitch second half to close down effectively or to run Oxford around more was the managers fault, he had the players on the bench)
A number of people need to learn from this experience........or they will soon be out of contract.
Losing one goal without reply against ten men is acceptable. Two is atrocious.
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