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Post by Deleted on Apr 22, 2019 11:31:04 GMT 1
I’m not that bothered about the backstory so long as they’re credible, make sensible decisions, are prepared to listen and see beyond tribalistic party lines. Nick Boles is someone who has struck me as an excellent politician putting what he believes is right above his career while working tirelessly across parties to try and deliver a genuinely feasible form of Brexit. Shame he’s one of a vanishingly small number of MPs who seem to think in that way. I'd add Dominic Grieve to that. Despite also being a Tory he clearly believes in doing what he thinks is right for the country rather than himself. I was amazed to see that his local Tory boys are looking to de-select him. (His constituency voted to remain). So where he stands is a little baffling as he stood for the last election on the Tory manifesto... which was to leave the EU.... so should he have stood as a Tory candidate... but at least he his standing for what his constituents voted for..
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Post by Deleted on Apr 22, 2019 11:37:55 GMT 1
I’m not that bothered about the backstory so long as they’re credible, make sensible decisions, are prepared to listen and see beyond tribalistic party lines. Nick Boles is someone who has struck me as an excellent politician putting what he believes is right above his career while working tirelessly across parties to try and deliver a genuinely feasible form of Brexit. Shame he’s one of a vanishingly small number of MPs who seem to think in that way. I'd add Dominic Grieve to that. Despite also being a Tory he clearly believes in doing what he thinks is right for the country rather than himself. I was amazed to see that his local Tory boys are looking to de-select him. (His constituency voted to remain). UKIP entryism. Been going on for a while. But, of course the only entryism talked about is in Labour.
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Post by venceremos on Apr 22, 2019 12:24:52 GMT 1
Representatives who listen, respect and enact what the majority of voters voted for would be a useful start... So, not representatives at all then. You’re describing delegates.
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Post by roberto02afcct on Apr 22, 2019 18:30:22 GMT 1
Here we go... Firstly for our local Polish Tory MP who was a former member of Mogg’s ERG needs to actually listen to his constituents and not just those who he agrees with. Nor fluff the pillows of the local electorate who he hope to con at the next election to remain in his seat. Long gone are the days in trust in our political representatives which mainly came about from things like expenses for moots and bird houses. All in all Tory’s and there OTT austerity is to blame for most of the country **** ups which includes Brexit.
End of rant.... waiting for the sequel
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Post by Deleted on Apr 22, 2019 18:35:55 GMT 1
Here we go... Firstly for our local Polish Tory MP who was a former member of Mogg’s ERG needs to actually listen to his constituents and not just those who he agrees with. Nor fluff the pillows of the local electorate who he hope to con at the next election to remain in his seat. Long gone are the days in trust in our political representatives which mainly came about from things like expenses for moots and bird houses. All in all Tory’s and there OTT austerity is to blame for most of the country **** ups which includes Brexit. End of rant.... waiting for the sequel So you feel the opposition are perfect then??
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Post by neilsalop on Apr 22, 2019 19:33:45 GMT 1
I want them to back the courage of their own convictions and have the communication skills to convince us why their way is best May - I'm still not sure what she really believes in? Just tries to appease everybody, but in fact appeases nobody. No doubt in her best selling book (to come, probably Christmas) we'll find out. Corbyn - I am sure about what he really believes in. He's anti-nuclear and anti-monarchy and should come out and fight for those beliefs. But he won't. He's just trying to sneak in through the backdoor, get into power and then we'd find out a lot more about what Jezza really believes in. Personally, I hate that. Rest of the Conservatives - all seem to be complete bottlers. May is terrible and yet nobody has stepped up, challenged her and said 'I want to be leader' Rest of Labour - complete bottlers. Corbyn is terrible and nobody has stepped up, challenged him and said 'I want to be leader' since the half-hearted 2016 Leadership non-battle featuring Owen Smith. Yes, Owen Smith. Lib-Dems - Cable I think? Is it? Maybe? Not sure, I'll have to refer to Wiki. SNP - Sturgeon. At least she fights for what she truly believes in. Annoying, but you have to admire her determination. Not sure how an English Nationalist Party would get on? It would probably be seen as racist. Independence from the rest of the UK! But Sturgeon seems to get away with it and convince us that she's not anti-English. A touch like Corbyn (in the respect she doesn't show her true colours) but at least she fights for what she believes in, even if she doesn't say the words! Brexit - Farage - As sturgeon, but didn't see the job through, so can't admire his determination. I wouldn't be surprised though to see his new party do well. He's great at getting media attention and excellent at fighting his corner. I'd like to see those qualities in Corbyn and May. UKIP - some bloke. I think the party is likely to fold now that Farage has started the Brexit party. What a bunch! Bring back Spitting Image! You seem to have forgotten about Caroline Lucas. Fights for her beliefs and her constituents (Brighton and Hove voted 66% to remain), asks the right questions at PMQs (rarely gets a straight answer) and leads by example. The consumate politician IMO. It's a shame that a vote for the Greens is wasted in 90% of cases as it's usually a two horse race and a Green vote is effectively taking a vote from Labour. Corbyns biggest mistake was not inviting Lucas into his first shadow cabinet.
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Post by The Shropshire Tenor on Apr 23, 2019 22:51:37 GMT 1
Could I recommend Isobel Hardman's book "Why We Get the Wrong Politicians'
I'm not going to attempt to summarise the book, but the following have stuck with me.
- Being an MP is a job. You have to be odd to want to do it.
- MP's are selected from a very small pool of people, partly because selection committees consist of committed party members who will select clones of themselves and these committees are themselves drawn from a tiny pool of like minded people.
- Alternatively you can work for a Minister or party HQ and a constituency can be forced to select you
- You need money to stand for Parliament, Ms Hardman says a minimum of £10k. This is a gamble, the parties don't reimburse election expenses.
So an aspiring MP has to have money to gamble on getting elected, be well in with the local party or an influential Minister or a party big wig. Not a recipe for ensuring that MPs reflect the lives of the population as a whole.
Nevertheless, she says that most MPs are diligent, hard working and try to do a good job.
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Post by SeanBroseley on Apr 23, 2019 23:31:37 GMT 1
Too many of the current crop are tainted by the expenses scandal. Less landlords and hedge fund managers in parliament And more working class people in parliament - Shropshire Tenor outlines some of the difficulties including the severe financial risk involved.
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Post by venceremos on Apr 24, 2019 13:13:09 GMT 1
I see the likes of Bob Stewart and Jonny Mercer... who both spent time forging careers prior to politics.... and then move having gained some life experience... which i dont see these days... perhaps our poloticians should not be allowed to go for office until they hit 40 or something. The one thing i do believe though, and that the opinions on our current group could not be lower Johnny Mercer, eh.........? Certainly seems to have forged a career for himself outside politics. www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-devon-47884273
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Post by Deleted on Apr 24, 2019 13:23:56 GMT 1
I see the likes of Bob Stewart and Jonny Mercer... who both spent time forging careers prior to politics.... and then move having gained some life experience... which i dont see these days... perhaps our poloticians should not be allowed to go for office until they hit 40 or something. The one thing i do believe though, and that the opinions on our current group could not be lower And then with almost impeccable comic timing 😂😂😂 www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-devon-47884273
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Post by Deleted on Apr 24, 2019 14:19:09 GMT 1
I see the likes of Bob Stewart and Jonny Mercer... who both spent time forging careers prior to politics.... and then move having gained some life experience... which i dont see these days... perhaps our poloticians should not be allowed to go for office until they hit 40 or something. The one thing i do believe though, and that the opinions on our current group could not be lower And then with almost impeccable comic timing 😂😂😂 www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-devon-47884273some solid life experience on display there by 37 year old Johnny Mercer if only he had given it 3 more years. It is perhaps beyond the cosmic scope of irony that the owner of Surge Financial is named Paul Careless .
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Post by SeanBroseley on Apr 25, 2019 12:33:14 GMT 1
Mercer continues to forge his career. The story has come out because of infighting in the parliamentary Conservative Party. It has previously been suggested that the Whips Office has been digging for dirt on him.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 28, 2019 12:43:32 GMT 1
Mercer continues to forge his career. The story has come out because of infighting in the parliamentary Conservative Party. It has previously been suggested that the Whips Office has been digging for dirt on him. If you saw him on Have I Got News For You... it would suggest that, and he stood his corner when being grilled about it....
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