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Post by Deleted on Apr 22, 2019 9:02:35 GMT 1
People these days get outraged by our political representatives... but what do we actually want...
You have the current bunch of rubbish stains from all parties.. Both Conservative and Labour... these people today are career poloticians with no real sense of normal life, Corbyn, May, Cameron Johnson and dare i say Abbot have never had real jobs...
But then you have people out there who have skeletons in the cupboard, buisness people who have possibly chequered histories... do i really care if there is a candidate that has all the right ideas, but has a failed buisiness or decided to give his secretary a bit of loving?? made mistakes along the way, and have a bit of a dubious past... but willing to serve with the public in mind?
The only thing i do know is our current crop are completely at loss of what to do and i believe this is the lack of life experience and just being career poloticians which is aiding how we are heading... but i see with a wry smile what happened yesterday in Ukraine.... is that a possibility here with Mr Fararge... who in my opinion would if launching his Brexit Party for the next General Election will really pose a massive thorn for both mainstream parties...
Would be interesting
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Post by WATR on Apr 22, 2019 9:26:56 GMT 1
I'm pretty sure Diane Abbott has a "sense of normal life", having being bought up on a council estate by a welder and a nurse. Also bizarre you decry her and Corbyn as career politicians despite the fact they're spent 30+ years on the backbenches. Personally I welcome the Brexit Party in the sense that it could take enough votes off the Tories to let Jeremy in to Number 10, and allow us to end this austerity con that's ravaged the country for 9 years.
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Post by northwestman on Apr 22, 2019 9:30:15 GMT 1
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Post by Deleted on Apr 22, 2019 9:36:13 GMT 1
Dianne Abbott, grew up on a Council Estate and worked for the Civil Service and as a reporter.
Corbyn, was the off-spring of an electrical engineer and a maths teacher. Classic middle-class if you like. He worked as a reporter and then as a volunteer for the Overseas Service, before working as full-time trade unionist.
May is classic middle-class, the daughter of a vicar and a life-long Tory supporting mum. May worked as a banker.
Cameron, upper-middle class, who married into the aristocracy, whose first job was working in politics.
Johnson, wealthy upper-middle-class. Journalist.
Lucas. Middle-class, politics.
Farage. City trader.
The starting point I guess is who you identify with the most and what you and your family aspire to be. The rest gets complicated.
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Post by northwestman on Apr 22, 2019 9:43:25 GMT 1
May is classic middle-class, the daughter of a vicar and a life-long Tory supporting mum. May worked as a banker. Don't call May a mum! Leadsom got in trouble for raising this issue. www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-36752865
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Post by Valerioch on Apr 22, 2019 9:49:53 GMT 1
Representatives who listen, respect and enact what the majority of voters voted for would be a useful start...
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Post by Deleted on Apr 22, 2019 9:53:41 GMT 1
May is classic middle-class, the daughter of a vicar and a life-long Tory supporting mum. May worked as a banker. Don't call May a mum! Leadsom got in trouble for raising this issue. www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-36752865I meant May's mum was a life-long Tory supporter.
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Post by northwestman on Apr 22, 2019 9:56:12 GMT 1
I meant May's mum was a life-long Tory supporter. Ah, I see!
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Post by Deleted on Apr 22, 2019 10:03:03 GMT 1
I'm pretty sure Diane Abbott has a "sense of normal life", having being bought up on a council estate by a welder and a nurse. Also bizarre you decry her and Corbyn as career politicians despite the fact they're spent 30+ years on the backbenches. Personally I welcome the Brexit Party in the sense that it could take enough votes off the Tories to let Jeremy in to Number 10, and allow us to end this austerity con that's ravaged the country for 9 years. Strange of you to not think backbench time at Westminster does not really count as a career polotician....
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Post by Deleted on Apr 22, 2019 10:20:27 GMT 1
I suppose I better chuck in Chuka Umunna (see what I did there?)
Middle-class and a solicitor. You can see why he left the Labour Party....
Heidi Allen. Middle-class, worked for large corporations and in business.
The one and only Danny K, international account manager.
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Post by WATR on Apr 22, 2019 10:20:40 GMT 1
I'm pretty sure Diane Abbott has a "sense of normal life", having being bought up on a council estate by a welder and a nurse. Also bizarre you decry her and Corbyn as career politicians despite the fact they're spent 30+ years on the backbenches. Personally I welcome the Brexit Party in the sense that it could take enough votes off the Tories to let Jeremy in to Number 10, and allow us to end this austerity con that's ravaged the country for 9 years. Strange of you to not think backbench time at Westminster does not really count as a career polotician.... Well generally the term refers to somebody with no real reason to be in politics other than to climb to the top. In the sense you're using the term, it would apply to every political ever.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 22, 2019 10:22:45 GMT 1
I'm pretty sure Diane Abbott has a "sense of normal life", having being bought up on a council estate by a welder and a nurse. Also bizarre you decry her and Corbyn as career politicians despite the fact they're spent 30+ years on the backbenches. Personally I welcome the Brexit Party in the sense that it could take enough votes off the Tories to let Jeremy in to Number 10, and allow us to end this austerity con that's ravaged the country for 9 years. Strange of you to not think backbench time at Westminster does not really count as a career polotician.... To be fair, 30 years on the back benches, spanning numerous changes in government and the public mood, suggests to me that regardless of your colours, you’re at least pleasing the people who elected you!?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 22, 2019 10:23:29 GMT 1
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Post by Deleted on Apr 22, 2019 10:25:00 GMT 1
Strange of you to not think backbench time at Westminster does not really count as a career polotician.... Well generally the term refers to somebody with no real reason to be in politics other than to climb to the top. In the sense you're using the term, it would apply to every political ever. Good point. Most of our MPs work very hard on various committees and such like with barley any recognition and no desire for senior posts. For example, one that I'm particularly interested in. In fact we should all be. www.parliament.uk/business/committees/committees-a-z/commons-select/education-committee/
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Post by lenny on Apr 22, 2019 10:26:47 GMT 1
I’m not that bothered about the backstory so long as they’re credible, make sensible decisions, are prepared to listen and see beyond tribalistic party lines. Nick Boles is someone who has struck me as an excellent politician putting what he believes is right above his career while working tirelessly across parties to try and deliver a genuinely feasible form of Brexit. Shame he’s one of a vanishingly small number of MPs who seem to think in that way.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 22, 2019 10:29:51 GMT 1
I see the likes of Bob Stewart and Jonny Mercer... who both spent time forging careers prior to politics.... and then move having gained some life experience... which i dont see these days... perhaps our poloticians should not be allowed to go for office until they hit 40 or something.
The one thing i do believe though, and that the opinions on our current group could not be lower
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Post by Deleted on Apr 22, 2019 10:36:52 GMT 1
Mercer and Stewart are both ex-military. They are no better qualified than a doctor, nurse, social worker, or a civil servant.
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Post by lenny on Apr 22, 2019 10:39:42 GMT 1
I see the likes of Bob Stewart and Jonny Mercer... who both spent time forging careers prior to politics.... and then move having gained some life experience... which i dont see these days... perhaps our poloticians should not be allowed to go for office until they hit 40 or something. The one thing i do believe though, and that the opinions on our current group could not be lower Couple of other tories I have a lot of respect for in terms of how they built themselves up are Mordaunt and Elwood. Shame the former has some bats**t crazy ideas, really (bit like Mercer who is think as two short planks and seems to have a screw loose, although I did enjoy him correctly describing May’s govt). Trouble with gaining experience prior to office is that is is only ever going to be a small proportion of the things you ever come into contact with - Javid’s experience earning millions in the dreadfully-run Deutsche Bank hasn’t exactly prepared him to be Home Secretary. Being a career politician doesn’t mean people can’t do good things, either. The only reason people want to do it is because they can deliver what they think is right - even people like Paterson and Dan I think see the chance to earn a cushy bit on the side as a bonus rather than their main play. Being an MP is a thoroughly demanding job and there are far more lucrative careers out there.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 22, 2019 10:42:08 GMT 1
Mercer and Stewart are both ex-military. They are no better qualified than a doctor, nurse, social worker, or a civil servant. I cant recall saying they were...
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Post by champagneprince on Apr 22, 2019 10:42:12 GMT 1
I want them to back the courage of their own convictions and have the communication skills to convince us why their way is best
May - I'm still not sure what she really believes in? Just tries to appease everybody, but in fact appeases nobody. No doubt in her best selling book (to come, probably Christmas) we'll find out.
Corbyn - I am sure about what he really believes in. He's anti-nuclear and anti-monarchy and should come out and fight for those beliefs. But he won't. He's just trying to sneak in through the backdoor, get into power and then we'd find out a lot more about what Jezza really believes in. Personally, I hate that.
Rest of the Conservatives - all seem to be complete bottlers. May is terrible and yet nobody has stepped up, challenged her and said 'I want to be leader'
Rest of Labour - complete bottlers. Corbyn is terrible and nobody has stepped up, challenged him and said 'I want to be leader' since the half-hearted 2016 Leadership non-battle featuring Owen Smith. Yes, Owen Smith.
Lib-Dems - Cable I think? Is it? Maybe? Not sure, I'll have to refer to Wiki.
SNP - Sturgeon. At least she fights for what she truly believes in. Annoying, but you have to admire her determination. Not sure how an English Nationalist Party would get on? It would probably be seen as racist. Independence from the rest of the UK! But Sturgeon seems to get away with it and convince us that she's not anti-English. A touch like Corbyn (in the respect she doesn't show her true colours) but at least she fights for what she believes in, even if she doesn't say the words!
Brexit - Farage - As sturgeon, but didn't see the job through, so can't admire his determination. I wouldn't be surprised though to see his new party do well. He's great at getting media attention and excellent at fighting his corner. I'd like to see those qualities in Corbyn and May.
UKIP - some bloke. I think the party is likely to fold now that Farage has started the Brexit party.
What a bunch! Bring back Spitting Image!
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Post by Deleted on Apr 22, 2019 10:44:30 GMT 1
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Post by stuttgartershrew on Apr 22, 2019 10:45:38 GMT 1
I reckon there is a clear detachment between a good many politicians and a fairly sizable chunk of the population. Brexit is a clear indication of that, the vast majority of politicians were (no doubt still are) completely oblivious to the mood of many within the UK. There has been a steady decline in politicians from working class backgrounds since the Blair years and as far as I can see that has not turned about since.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 22, 2019 10:46:14 GMT 1
Mercer and Stewart are both ex-military. They are no better qualified than a doctor, nurse, social worker, or a civil servant. I cant recall saying they were... But, yet you didn't mention other professions outside the military. That's the point I am making. I don't disagree with what your saying by the way.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 22, 2019 10:51:52 GMT 1
I cant recall saying they were... But, yet you didn't mention other professions outside the military. That's the point I am making. I don't disagree with what your saying by the way. generally because these 2 spring to my mind as we have things in common...
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Post by Deleted on Apr 22, 2019 10:53:55 GMT 1
was there not a referendum a few years back to change the voting system that was possibly the lowest turnout ever... therfore suggested that the people were happy with the current status quo
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Post by Deleted on Apr 22, 2019 10:58:09 GMT 1
www.theyworkforyou.com/mp/24907/bob_stewart/beckenhamBut, yet you didn't mention other professions outside the military. That's the point I am making. I don't disagree with what your saying by the way. generally because these 2 spring to my mind as we have things in common... Obviously. But, funnily enough they don't spring to mine, despite 22 years service. This is what I judge them on. www.theyworkforyou.com/mp/25367/johnny_mercer/plymouth,_moor_view/votes www.theyworkforyou.com/mp/24907/bob_stewart/beckenhamSo, going back to the my original post, it depends on how I can relate to the politician and then the, complicated bit, if I can relate to their politics. In both these cases, I can relate to their service, but not their values, or beliefs in the political sphere.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 22, 2019 10:59:48 GMT 1
was there not a referendum a few years back to change the voting system that was possibly the lowest turnout ever... therfore suggested that the people were happy with the current status quo The AV2 ref was a total and utter fudge and only there to appease the Lid Dems. It wasn't a serious attempted to break the status quo.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 22, 2019 11:02:12 GMT 1
What do we want from our political representatives? When asked, answer the bloody question not obfuscate!!!
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Post by shropshirelad42 on Apr 22, 2019 11:02:42 GMT 1
Honesty, Integrity and Truthfulness would be a good start !!!!!
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Post by percy on Apr 22, 2019 11:23:39 GMT 1
I’m not that bothered about the backstory so long as they’re credible, make sensible decisions, are prepared to listen and see beyond tribalistic party lines. Nick Boles is someone who has struck me as an excellent politician putting what he believes is right above his career while working tirelessly across parties to try and deliver a genuinely feasible form of Brexit. Shame he’s one of a vanishingly small number of MPs who seem to think in that way. I'd add Dominic Grieve to that. Despite also being a Tory he clearly believes in doing what he thinks is right for the country rather than himself. I was amazed to see that his local Tory boys are looking to de-select him. (His constituency voted to remain).
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