samm
Shropshire County League
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Post by samm on Apr 18, 2019 16:59:18 GMT 1
Haven't posted on here for a while. Just posted this on reddit and got absolutely slaughtered so thought I'd do the same here I know Town won't be too affected by VAR but still, we could be caught up in it at some point.
I don't think the way VAR is being implimented is quite right. If it's to continue in the current way, refs might become over-dependent on it and games could become too stop-starty. Rather than leave it up to refs to decide when to use it, I'd do a challenge based system.
- Each team gets three challenges per game.
- One challenge can only be used per individual piece of action (ie. one particular challenge in the build up to a goal, not scrutinizing the whole build up).
- The challenge can only be made by the manager or the captain. They must inform the referee what needs to be checked within 30 seconds of the initial decision/non-decision.
- If the challenge was correct and the initial decision overturned, the team keeps their remaining challenges. If not, the team loses their remaining challenges.
- Once teams lose three challenges over the course of the season, they are not allowed VAR in the following game. This resets everything and they are then allowed to lose another three challenges before they suffer this penalty again. This would prevent them from just randomly throwing out challenges especially in the final minutes of games.
- The referee has more assistance. There is a team of four people (including the ref) looking at different camera angles. This means the whole process quickens up and things can be brought to the referees attention as soon as possible.
- The referee has the ultimate decision whether to overturn his initial decision or not.
Maybe this just shows I'm not a fan of VAR and I need to get with the times but I take the view that technology can make the game fairer but it can never perfect decision making. Why not put it into the team's hands to do something about it when they truly feel aggrieved by a decision?
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Post by Red Rose In Exile on Apr 18, 2019 17:49:33 GMT 1
............... or just scrap VAR!!
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Post by franthetownfan on Apr 18, 2019 17:55:41 GMT 1
Scrapping VAR is utterly ridiculous and those who suggest it need their heads testing, it clearly does more than good. I’m not sure why video replays have to be subjective with football whereas any other sport it’s either ‘yes or no’.
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Post by Red Rose In Exile on Apr 18, 2019 18:23:41 GMT 1
Scr@pping VAR is utterly ridiculous and those who suggest it need their heads testing, it clearly does more than good. I’m not sure why video replays have to be subjective with football whereas any other sport it’s either ‘yes or no’. I do not need my head testing because I have a different opinion to you. Also I only have one head!!
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Post by tdk on Apr 18, 2019 18:28:42 GMT 1
............... or just scr@p VAR!! With the amount of bad referees we get and decisions that go against us VAR should be compulsory at Town games
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Post by bordersalopian on Apr 18, 2019 19:51:50 GMT 1
With VAR ‘Ghost’ vs Wycombe didn’t happen...without VAR it did.
With VAR, Rhead gets a red card at Wembley, without VAR he doesn’t
With VAR Wrexham are playing non-league football, without VAR Wrexham are still playing non-league football.
Gets my vote....
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Post by tvor on Apr 18, 2019 19:59:40 GMT 1
VAR, not including goal line technology decisions, should be reserved for clear and obvious errors, the howlers, otherwise the decisions of the on field officials should stand. Otherwise the game will be too disrupted and the delays waiting for endless decisions will detract too much from the traditions of the game.
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Post by bordersalopian on Apr 18, 2019 20:03:25 GMT 1
VAR, not including goal line technology decisions, should be reserved for clear and obvious errors, the howlers, otherwise the decisions of the on field officials should stand. Otherwise the game will be too disrupted and the delays waiting for endless decisions will detract too much from the traditions of the game. Works in rugby, but rugby has more of a ‘start-stop’ play due to the way that the game is constructed. That said, it will work in football if they speed up the process. Fans need to be kept informed as to what is going on, which would mean the refs being ‘mic’d up’...which would mean that in turn players would need to keep their dissent in line.
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Post by dereksmalls on Apr 18, 2019 20:32:14 GMT 1
Haven't posted on here for a while. Just posted this on reddit and got absolutely slaughtered so thought I'd do the same here I know Town won't be too affected by VAR but still, we could be caught up in it at some point.
Interested to hear the reasonings against your thoughts from those who slaughtered you elsewhere? I'm not a fan of the delays that VAR potentially introduces into the game either, especially with circumstances such as the late 'goal' in the City v Spurs game this week. The initial euphoria of players and fans to seeing a goal being scored to then suddenly have all that placed 'on hold' for maybe several minutes due to a query from some unseen (by the players and fans) entity is not ideal. I realise that VAR is a work in progress and I'm certainly not anti-progress but it needs some refining. The way that the goal line technology works for example is great, it's an almost instant decision, the game can keep flowing and it's obvious who's the only one making that decision......the ref on the field. Another gripe of mine is the way VAR was introduced into this season's FA Cup where its was available to some games but not others at the same stage of the competition. This seemed particularly unfair. I suppose as far as the FA were concerned, 6 of the 4th round games were deemed more important than the other 10 ties, including our own v Wolves!!!
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Post by tvor on Apr 18, 2019 20:36:37 GMT 1
Endless reviews of very marginal offside decisions, for example, detracts from the natural flow off the game and the status of the on field officials. Reviews really should be driven by the VAR not by the on field official requesting a review. If on first look by the VAR there is nothing clearly and obviously wrong with the original decision of the on field official then the VAR should inform the on field official as such and the game should continue.
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Post by salop27 on Apr 18, 2019 22:01:15 GMT 1
As someone pointed out camera technology has worked well with Rugby and cricket, helping to get decisions right. I'd like to see football adopt the way rugby keeps time. So if there is an injury,or now var reference, the ref makes a signal and the match clock stops. Fans will have a more accurate idea of game time left. The ref can still add additional time at the end of each half for subs/time wasting etc. Stopping the match clock would take any time related pressure off the refs in making the right var decision. You might argue it would make the game to stop start but with the amount of free kicks some refs give it already is.
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Post by davycrockett on Apr 19, 2019 8:20:48 GMT 1
Scr@pping VAR is utterly ridiculous and those who suggest it need their heads testing, it clearly does more than good. I’m not sure why video replays have to be subjective with football whereas any other sport it’s either ‘yes or no’. Rubbish! Footballs been played for 150 years without. Interrupting a game, having to wait every time there’s a goal before you celebrate ruins the atmosphere. Just making the whole game too clinical.
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Post by davycrockett on Apr 19, 2019 8:26:58 GMT 1
VAR, not including goal line technology decisions, should be reserved for clear and obvious errors, the howlers, otherwise the decisions of the on field officials should stand. Otherwise the game will be too disrupted and the delays waiting for endless decisions will detract too much from the traditions of the game. Works in rugby, but rugby has more of a ‘start-stop’ play due to the way that the game is constructed. That said, it will work in football if they speed up the process. Fans need to be kept informed as to what is going on, which would mean the refs being ‘mic’d up’...which would mean that in turn players would need to keep their dissent in line. But does it? The process in Rugby can be anything from the ref asking a specific question like ‘was the players foot on / over the line’ or ‘is there any reason I shouldn’t give the try.’ On the later the video ref goes back over the previous few ‘plays’ and can call any minor infringement. Can take 5 minutes or more. Rugby fans now don’t celebrate try’s but wait for the video refs decision first. Football will turn out the same😩
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Post by filmcrewshrew on Apr 19, 2019 9:27:17 GMT 1
I’m definitely in favour of club captains getting 2 or 3 appeals per game. Scrapping VAR would be a mistake but having it only at the top level is again frustrating much like goal line tech. Equally only having it in the FA Cup at top prem grounds is unfair.
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Post by MartinB on Apr 19, 2019 10:15:40 GMT 1
If we had had VAR away at Wolves in the FA Cup their winner would have been disallowed for a foul on Omar to win the ball for the goal..........................Oh wait a minute VAR was in use.
What everyone is missing is who has been pushing for VAR the most? TV Companies
Know why is that? So once it is accepted totally football won't be able to go back. Just wait for the howls from Premier League Clubs when Sky only offer £800m for the TV rights rather than £1.1bn. Cost of VAR deducted from the money we are offering, will be Sky's reasoning.
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Post by Pilch on Apr 19, 2019 10:57:55 GMT 1
what I don't understand is at grounds where they have large tv screens and VAR in use why do they still not show contentious decisions ?
fans are now more likely to get upset at not seeing exactly why a decision was overturned or not given than they ever were by not seeing a dodgy replay
eg
the sterling goal v spurs
the fans eventually got to know it was offside
they didn't know who was offside, just that it was offside
they could have shown the replay where aguero was clearly offside
whilst on the subject
as I missed the whole game Wednesday I watched the highlights last night there is nothing better in football than watching players, managers and fans in ecstasy celebrating a goal that you know isn't going to count
one thing is for sure, that is something we are going to struggle to get used to
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