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Post by Flixton_shrew on Apr 8, 2019 22:51:29 GMT 1
Anyone but Corbyn I'm afraid. If it wasn't first past the post i'd guess the best candidates would get in, but we simply cannot afford a Corbyn government. Yes, it's just like that time we were faced with the clear choice between 'stability and strong government' under David Cameron or 'chaos under Ed Miliband'. Of course we all went for Dave over the bacon-sarnie mangler and it's been 'steady as she goes' ever since! The only strength and stability currently on show is coming from the EU...I wonder if we could apply for a period of direct rule. Just until we get all the useless, corrupt, mainly-Tory freeloaders out of parliament.
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Post by Flixton_shrew on Apr 8, 2019 22:57:44 GMT 1
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Post by Deleted on Apr 8, 2019 23:17:07 GMT 1
Yes but Democracy isn't all about re-running until you get the result you want. Which is great, we should of left 3 years ago when it was the will of the people. As soon as they stuck a remain PM in it was never going to happen. Democracy , what a joke.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 8, 2019 23:28:11 GMT 1
Which is great, we should of left 3 years ago when it was the will of the people. As soon as they stuck a remain PM in it was never going to happen. Democracy , what a joke. Well I’m pleased to confirm that I didn’t vote tory 😊👍
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Post by Deleted on Apr 8, 2019 23:29:38 GMT 1
Think he does that with his deep rooted anti-Semitic views & his links to the IRA & Hamas terrorists. Just for the sake of argument Martin, just give us an example of JCs anti Semitic views. Cheers 👍 When you have a moment Martin. No hurry though 👍
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Post by Flixton_shrew on Apr 8, 2019 23:29:48 GMT 1
Which is great, we should of left 3 years ago when it was the will of the people. As soon as they stuck a remain PM in it was never going to happen. Democracy , what a joke. If any of the voices advocating Brexit had a feasible plan of what it looked like, the pro's and con's, and how it could be implemented - then it would at least stand half a chance of working. It could then have been carried out by a Leaver, a Remainer or a little green man from Mars. Those running the campaigns knew that, if anything concrete was written down, it would be as appealing as a plate of cold sick. Hence the reliance on meaningless slogans. Although May really has excelled at those over the past 3 years....
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Post by northwestman on Apr 9, 2019 8:58:42 GMT 1
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Post by Deleted on Apr 9, 2019 10:01:12 GMT 1
He voted for May's deal last time (or at least he said he was going to). Little has changed with this resignation
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Post by Exkeeper on Apr 9, 2019 10:24:01 GMT 1
He voted for May's deal last time (or at least he said he was going to). Little has changed with this resignation I would imagine they would be glad to see the back of him, as should the electorate of the Shrewsbury constituency.
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Post by Exkeeper on Apr 9, 2019 10:31:09 GMT 1
Incorrect. It would be based on the current will of the people - also known as Democracy, which allows for voters changing their opinions. Yes but Democracy isn't all about re-running until you get the result you want. Why do we hold General Elections every five years then? Could it be to see if people are happy with their MP/Government or have they changed their mind? Either way, it looks like it may well happen - Peter Obourne of the Daily Mail has now said that as an ardent Leaver, he has now changed his view based on facts (those things that Quitlings tend to ignore) and a Tory MP (and a Leaver) is now prepared to lose hus Parliamentary job, to back a second referendum, ( or a first one based on facts).
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Post by northwestman on Apr 9, 2019 11:26:34 GMT 1
Yes but Democracy isn't all about re-running until you get the result you want. Why do we hold General Elections every five years then? Could it be to see if people are happy with their MP/Government or have they changed their mind? Either way, it looks like it may well happen - Peter Obourne of the Daily Mail has now said that as an ardent Leaver, he has now changed his view based on facts (those things that Quitlings tend to ignore) and a Tory MP (and a Leaver) is now prepared to lose hus Parliamentary job, to back a second referendum, ( or a first one based on facts). Here is Oborne's article. Certainly goes into some depth. www.opendemocracy.net/en/opendemocracyuk/i-was-strong-brexiteer-now-we-must-swallow-our-pride-and-think-again/
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Post by Deleted on Apr 9, 2019 13:18:06 GMT 1
Yes but Democracy isn't all about re-running until you get the result you want. Why do we hold General Elections every five years then? Could it be to see if people are happy with their MP/Government or have they changed their mind? Either way, it looks like it may well happen - Peter Obourne of the Daily Mail has now said that as an ardent Leaver, he has now changed his view based on facts (those things that Quitlings tend to ignore) and a Tory MP (and a Leaver) is now prepared to lose hus Parliamentary job, to back a second referendum, ( or a first one This was a one off referendum to determine whether we left the EU or not. As I said you can’t keep re-running until you get the result you want but apparently some people think you can. If you want to liken it to a general election then at least the winning party gets a chance in power before they get voted out. Brexit hasn’t even had the chance yet as we haven’t and at this rate wil never leave to see if it will work or not.
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Post by Exkeeper on Apr 9, 2019 14:31:08 GMT 1
Why do we hold General Elections every five years then? Could it be to see if people are happy with their MP/Government or have they changed their mind? Either way, it looks like it may well happen - Peter Obourne of the Daily Mail has now said that as an ardent Leaver, he has now changed his view based on facts (those things that Quitlings tend to ignore) and a Tory MP (and a Leaver) is now prepared to lose hus Parliamentary job, to back a second referendum, ( or a first one This was a one off referendum to determine whether we left the EU or not. As I said you can’t keep re-running until you get the result you want but apparently some people think you can. If you want to liken it to a general election then at least the winning party gets a chance in power before they get voted out. Brexit hasn’t even had the chance yet as we haven’t and at this rate wil never leave to see if it will work or not. Let’s all ignore the fact that the Referendum was only ever meant to be “advisory” shall we? It was clear even then that delivering the dreams and fantasies would be difficult, if not impossible, something that Attorney General Georrfy Cox is now admitting. Trying to unpick 45 of intertwined agreements and laws will take years but needs doing before we take the leap over the cliff edge. I think your statement about “never leaving” is proved correct, because the latest notion is that if May cannot get agreement on her deal, which ironically keeps reappearing for re-votes, she has made it clear the No Deal will not be allowed, the one thing she can do without the backing of MPs is to press the Revoke button. This would seem to be in her mind when she told her motley crew of MPs, “If you don’t back my deal,, you could end up with no Brexit at all”. I find it highly amusing that the only hope the Tories have ofgetting any kind of Brexit, is by cosying up to the man they refer to as a known Marxist, Mr Jeremy Corbyn.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 9, 2019 16:09:14 GMT 1
Let’s all ignore the fact that the Referendum was only ever meant to be “advisory” shall we? It was clear even then that delivering the dreams and fantasies would be difficult, if not impossible, something that Attorney General Georrfy Cox is now admitting. Trying to unpick 45 of intertwined agreements and laws will take years but needs doing before we take the leap over the cliff edge. I think your statement about “never leaving” is proved correct, because the latest notion is that if May cannot get agreement on her deal, which ironically keeps reappearing for re-votes, she has made it clear the No Deal will not be allowed, the one thing she can do without the backing of MPs is to press the Revoke button. This would seem to be in her mind when she told her motley crew of MPs, “If you don’t back my deal,, you could end up with no Brexit at all”. I find it highly amusing that the only hope the Tories have ofgetting any kind of Brexit, is by cosying up to the man they refer to as a known Marxist, Mr Jeremy Corbyn. Agreed that a soft brexit or Mays deal is a waste of time and we might as well remains. The advisory element of the referendum will probably be lost on 17.4 million and it’s been taken seriously enough that we are where we are meaning we had a democratic vote to leave. Cameron is a bigger disgrace for not having a plan b in the event of a leaving majority. There should’ve been a clear and concise way forward for both options giving people a clarity on which way to vote and if it was just advisory it should have been made clearer at the time. Instead we are left with this shi!t storm of fall out that will be haunting us for years to come.
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Post by jamo on Apr 9, 2019 21:11:44 GMT 1
Martin. Martin, you there hun ?
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Post by tvor on Apr 9, 2019 22:17:19 GMT 1
You'll have a long wait. He has a track record of posting garbage, claiming to be 'in the know' and then refusing to ever back it up with anything of substance.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 9, 2019 22:22:35 GMT 1
Just for the sake of argument Martin, just give us an example of JCs anti Semitic views. Cheers 👍 When you have a moment Martin. No hurry though 👍 Perhaps he’s sent me a letter?
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Post by northwestman on Apr 10, 2019 19:46:46 GMT 1
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