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Post by northwestman on Apr 8, 2019 10:00:27 GMT 1
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Post by northwestman on Apr 8, 2019 10:37:02 GMT 1
Together with Kawczynski, Allan and Dunne, we aren't exactly too well off in Shropshire.
And Shrewsbury and Atcham have had Conway, Marsden and Kawczynski since the constiutuency was renamed in 1983.
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Post by albionshrew on Apr 8, 2019 11:31:42 GMT 1
RE: "Owen Paterson, a former environment secretary and leading pro-Brexit campaigner, is paid nearly £100,000 a year by Randox, a private forensic testing firm, to act as a consultant."
When are the mass of the Brexit voters going to realise that it is the super-rich right wing brigade who wanted their votes in the referendum? Bring on the People's Vote!
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Post by venceremos on Apr 8, 2019 11:33:47 GMT 1
Together with Kawczynski, Allan and Davies, we aren't exactly too well off in Shropshire. And Shrewsbury and Atcham have had Conway, Marsden and Kawczynski since the constiutuency was renamed in 1983. Sadly true. There are many excellent and dedicated MPs in Parliament but unfortunately the bar in Shropshire seems to be set at a ridiculously low level. First past the post elections have a habit of making it too easy for undesirables to represent us, as long as their rosette is the appropriate colour.
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Post by salop27 on Apr 8, 2019 13:34:50 GMT 1
Yep, no surprise here indeed. The Guardian running a negative story about a pro brexit mp. Shock horror. I hope he carries on standing up for what the majority of people in North Shropshire voted for in the referendum and also his parties manifesto in the last general election.
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Post by venceremos on Apr 8, 2019 13:53:35 GMT 1
Yep, no surprise here indeed. The Guardian running a negative story about a pro brexit mp. Shock horror. I hope he carries on standing up for what the majority of people in North Shropshire voted for in the referendum and also his parties manifesto in the last general election. How telling that you'd rather pro-brexit MPs escape all scrutiny. You don't care what an MP does as long as they're pro-brexit. My side, right or wrong, eh? How democratic!
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Post by ssshrew on Apr 8, 2019 13:55:23 GMT 1
Together with Kawczynski, Allan and Davies, we aren't exactly too well off in Shropshire. And Shrewsbury and Atcham have had Conway, Marsden and Kawczynski since the constiutuency was renamed in 1983. Please don’t forget the useless MP for south Shropshire Philip Dunne. He never has a view of his own and just toes the party line whatever.
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Post by Worthingshrew on Apr 8, 2019 14:00:24 GMT 1
Sloppy Star not reporting it, so can’t be true! Lol
To be honest, I don’t expect much else from most Tory MPs, they’ve all got their noses in the trough.
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Post by frankwellshrews on Apr 8, 2019 14:02:05 GMT 1
Yep, no surprise here indeed. The Guardian running a negative story about a pro brexit mp. Shock horror. I hope he carries on standing up for what the majority of people in North Shropshire voted for in the referendum and also his parties manifesto in the last general election. Genuine question; is brexit now the only thing that matters to you, to the point where you'll willingly overlook corrupt activities like these as long as you get what you want?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 8, 2019 14:49:36 GMT 1
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Post by martinshrew on Apr 8, 2019 14:59:40 GMT 1
Yep, no surprise here indeed. The Guardian running a negative story about a pro brexit mp. Shock horror. I hope he carries on standing up for what the majority of people in North Shropshire voted for in the referendum and also his parties manifesto in the last general election. Genuine question; is brexit now the only thing that matters to you, to the point where you'll willingly overlook corrupt activities like these as long as you get what you want? It would be a corrupt activity to overturn Brexit but you're still banging the drum.
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Post by venceremos on Apr 8, 2019 15:06:24 GMT 1
Genuine question; is brexit now the only thing that matters to you, to the point where you'll willingly overlook corrupt activities like these as long as you get what you want? It would be a corrupt activity to overturn Brexit but you're still banging the drum. a) That's a matter of opinion, not law. b) Frankwellshrews is not an MP.
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Post by Exkeeper on Apr 8, 2019 15:22:27 GMT 1
Genuine question; is brexit now the only thing that matters to you, to the point where you'll willingly overlook corrupt activities like these as long as you get what you want? It would be a corrupt activity to overturn Brexit but you're still banging the drum. Incorrect. It would be based on the current will of the people - also known as Democracy, which allows for voters changing their opinions.
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Post by northwestman on Apr 8, 2019 15:30:45 GMT 1
Together with Kawczynski, Allan and Davies, we aren't exactly too well off in Shropshire. And Shrewsbury and Atcham have had Conway, Marsden and Kawczynski since the constiutuency was renamed in 1983. Please don’t forget the useless MP for south Shropshire Philip Dunne. He never has a view of his own and just toes the party line whatever. I meant Dunne! Getting my Philips mixed up. Thank goodness he's not my MP. But then again, I've got Paterson! Have corrected my error.
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Post by frankwellshrews on Apr 8, 2019 15:44:41 GMT 1
It would be a corrupt activity to overturn Brexit but you're still banging the drum. This has got nothing to do with brexit and everything to do with the fact that yet another local MP seems to have a blatsnt conflict of interest between making impartial decisions for the good of his constituents and acting for his paymasters. The fact that both he and the neighbouring Shrewsbury MP both also belong to a group of hard brexiteers doesn't reflect well on that group but is incidental to the matter at hand. It's exasperating seeing people complain about out of touch politicians leaving them feeling disenfranchised but then also voting for the same old substandard career politicians we get foisted on us round here simply because of tribal support for their party or because of a single issue like brexit. There's a reason they send muppets like DK up here you know; a significant enough minority of us are obedient little partisans to ensure they get voted in.
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Post by martinshrew on Apr 8, 2019 16:45:17 GMT 1
It would be a corrupt activity to overturn Brexit but you're still banging the drum. This has got nothing to do with brexit and everything to do with the fact that yet another local MP seems to have a blatsnt conflict of interest between making impartial decisions for the good of his constituents and acting for his paymasters. The fact that both he and the neighbouring Shrewsbury MP both also belong to a group of hard brexiteers doesn't reflect well on that group but is incidental to the matter at hand. It's exasperating seeing people complain about out of touch politicians leaving them feeling disenfranchised but then also voting for the same old substandard career politicians we get foisted on us round here simply because of tribal support for their party or because of a single issue like brexit. There's a reason they send muppets like DK up here you know; a significant enough minority of us are obedient little partisans to ensure they get voted in. Anyone but Corbyn I'm afraid. If it wasn't first past the post i'd guess the best candidates would get in, but we simply cannot afford a Corbyn government.
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Post by Exkeeper on Apr 8, 2019 16:54:26 GMT 1
Looking at the spiralling national debt, we can’t afford the current mob either.
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Post by salop27 on Apr 8, 2019 16:55:03 GMT 1
Yep, no surprise here indeed. The Guardian running a negative story about a pro brexit mp. Shock horror. I hope he carries on standing up for what the majority of people in North Shropshire voted for in the referendum and also his parties manifesto in the last general election. How telling that you'd rather pro-brexit MPs escape all scrutiny. You don't care what an MP does as long as they're pro-brexit. My side, right or wrong, eh? How democratic! Your response is more telling. As a constituent of Owen Paterson I hope any wrong doing is fully investigated and any punishment handed out. I suspect we won't hear much else about this though. If we do I'll wait for for any official outcome before directioning my wrath as I think you're still innocent till proved guilty in our country.
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Post by northwestman on Apr 8, 2019 16:59:21 GMT 1
Paterson has faced criticism that unknown donors have funded nearly £39,000 of his trips by routing the funds through his personal thinktank, UK 2020. The thinktank has been used to pay for 10 trips.
MPs are required to declare the source of funds for any overseas visit worth more than £300. As a private company, however UK 2020, is not required to identify its donors. By citing his thinktank as the source of funds, Paterson has effectively avoided revealing who financed them. Paterson said he had declared all required information in his register of interests.
Very clever. And morally completely reprehensible.
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Post by venceremos on Apr 8, 2019 17:08:33 GMT 1
How telling that you'd rather pro-brexit MPs escape all scrutiny. You don't care what an MP does as long as they're pro-brexit. My side, right or wrong, eh? How democratic! Your response is more telling. As a constituent of Owen Paterson I hope any wrong doing is fully investigated and any punishment handed out. I suspect we won't hear much else about this though. If we do I'll wait for for any official outcome before directioning my wrath as I think you're still innocent till proved guilty in our country. Nobody's " directioning their wrath" because there's no wrath to " direction". There was a report of something that looks questionable, not for the first time, and, as a fellow constituent, I'd prefer those questions to be asked and aired publicly. That's what a good newspaper does, even if you rather complacently dismiss it as "running a negative story". If had to wait until someone was proven guilty before asking any questions, no wrongdoing would ever be uncovered. It doesn't look good from the report but let's see where it leads. You seemed ready to give Paterson a free pass on the basis that he's a fellow brexiteer, that's all. I'm glad you've clarified that.
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Post by northwestman on Apr 8, 2019 17:36:40 GMT 1
RE: "Owen Paterson, a former environment secretary and leading pro-Brexit campaigner, is paid nearly £100,000 a year by Randox, a private forensic testing firm, to act as a consultant." When are the mass of the Brexit voters going to realise that it is the super-rich right wing brigade who wanted their votes in the referendum? Bring on the People's Vote! That's £8,333 per month for a maximum of 16 hours per month. £520 an hour! I wonder why Randox think he's worth that.
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Post by northwestman on Apr 8, 2019 18:14:03 GMT 1
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Post by frankwellshrews on Apr 8, 2019 18:28:43 GMT 1
This has got nothing to do with brexit and everything to do with the fact that yet another local MP seems to have a blatsnt conflict of interest between making impartial decisions for the good of his constituents and acting for his paymasters. The fact that both he and the neighbouring Shrewsbury MP both also belong to a group of hard brexiteers doesn't reflect well on that group but is incidental to the matter at hand. It's exasperating seeing people complain about out of touch politicians leaving them feeling disenfranchised but then also voting for the same old substandard career politicians we get foisted on us round here simply because of tribal support for their party or because of a single issue like brexit. There's a reason they send muppets like DK up here you know; a significant enough minority of us are obedient little partisans to ensure they get voted in. Anyone but Corbyn I'm afraid. If it wasn't first past the post i'd guess the best candidates would get in, but we simply cannot afford a Corbyn government. Sounds a lot like Project Fear. The Tories have set Corbyn up as such an effective bogeyman that you'll overlook any amount of shenanigans to keep him out.
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Post by ssshrew on Apr 8, 2019 18:51:57 GMT 1
So she’s not all bad then!!!!!
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Post by martinshrew on Apr 8, 2019 18:54:01 GMT 1
Anyone but Corbyn I'm afraid. If it wasn't first past the post i'd guess the best candidates would get in, but we simply cannot afford a Corbyn government. Sounds a lot like Project Fear. The Tories have set Corbyn up as such an effective bogeyman that you'll overlook any amount of shenanigans to keep him out. Think he does that with his deep rooted anti-Semitic views & his links to the IRA & Hamas terrorists.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 8, 2019 18:59:36 GMT 1
Sounds a lot like Project Fear. The Tories have set Corbyn up as such an effective bogeyman that you'll overlook any amount of shenanigans to keep him out. Think he does that with his deep rooted anti-Semitic views & his links to the IRA & Hamas terrorists. Just for the sake of argument Martin, just give us an example of JCs anti Semitic views. Cheers 👍
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Post by jamo on Apr 8, 2019 19:21:20 GMT 1
Sounds a lot like Project Fear. The Tories have set Corbyn up as such an effective bogeyman that you'll overlook any amount of shenanigans to keep him out. Think he does that with his deep rooted anti-Semitic views & his links to the IRA & Hamas terrorists. Whilst you are at it Martin, just for the sake of argument, give us an example of JC’s links to the I.R.A. Cheers 👍
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Post by shrewsace on Apr 8, 2019 20:18:49 GMT 1
This has got nothing to do with brexit and everything to do with the fact that yet another local MP seems to have a blatsnt conflict of interest between making impartial decisions for the good of his constituents and acting for his paymasters. The fact that both he and the neighbouring Shrewsbury MP both also belong to a group of hard brexiteers doesn't reflect well on that group but is incidental to the matter at hand. It's exasperating seeing people complain about out of touch politicians leaving them feeling disenfranchised but then also voting for the same old substandard career politicians we get foisted on us round here simply because of tribal support for their party or because of a single issue like brexit. There's a reason they send muppets like DK up here you know; a significant enough minority of us are obedient little partisans to ensure they get voted in. Anyone but Corbyn I'm afraid. If it wasn't first past the post i'd guess the best candidates would get in, but we simply cannot afford a Corbyn government. Yes, it's just like that time we were faced with the clear choice between 'stability and strong government' under David Cameron or 'chaos under Ed Miliband'. Of course we all went for Dave over the bacon-sarnie mangler and it's been 'steady as she goes' ever since!
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Post by Deleted on Apr 8, 2019 20:22:43 GMT 1
It would be a corrupt activity to overturn Brexit but you're still banging the drum. Incorrect. It would be based on the current will of the people - also known as Democracy, which allows for voters changing their opinions. Yes but Democracy isn't all about re-running until you get the result you want.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 8, 2019 21:21:31 GMT 1
Incorrect. It would be based on the current will of the people - also known as Democracy, which allows for voters changing their opinions. Yes but Democracy isn't all about re-running until you get the result you want. Which is great, we should of left 3 years ago when it was the will of the people.
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