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Post by tvor on Mar 27, 2019 13:07:42 GMT 1
www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-47715415Something else for those so minded to bash the EU about. In my view this is a good idea, but I'm not sure about the override options that drivers will still have available to them.
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Post by venceremos on Mar 27, 2019 16:04:25 GMT 1
I've wondered why this sort of technology, much of which already seems to be in place, hasn't been deployed to impose speed limits and provide evidence of those breaking the limits. Once we have this, it's easy to see how that might happen.
Makes me a bit uneasy but, if there are lives to be saved and injuries avoided, it's hard to argue against without seeming a selfish b******.
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Post by northwestman on Mar 27, 2019 16:51:24 GMT 1
Dangerous idea. Someone mentioned that they were trying to merge into fast flowing traffic on a motorway but had a speed limiter in place that held them to 30 m.p.h. as that was the restriction on the slip road. Incidents like this might cause serious problems.
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Post by stuttgartershrew on Mar 27, 2019 17:10:39 GMT 1
Dangerous idea. Someone mentioned that they were trying to merge into fast flowing traffic on a motorway but had a speed limiter in place that held them to 30 m.p.h. as that was the restriction on the slip road. Incidents like this might cause serious problems. Think it mentions that the plan is you can put your foot down and override any limits. If you are a considerate and conscientious driver then I don't see why anyone would have any issue with this. I'll be surprised if it does end up with anyone getting cheaper insurance, mind...
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Post by Pilch on Mar 27, 2019 17:49:22 GMT 1
shocking idea
its bad enough having to slow down for cameras
what ?
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Post by SeanBroseley on Mar 27, 2019 21:29:03 GMT 1
It will be interesting to see how this can be adapted to older cars. My cars are 12 and 26 years old.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 27, 2019 21:30:50 GMT 1
It will be interesting to see how this can be adapted to older cars. My cars are 12 and 26 years old. Do we need to start calling you ‘2 Saab Sean’?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 27, 2019 21:32:10 GMT 1
Dangerous idea. Someone mentioned that they were trying to merge into fast flowing traffic on a motorway but had a speed limiter in place that held them to 30 m.p.h. as that was the restriction on the slip road. Incidents like this might cause serious problems. I suggest reading the article - it says there will be a manual override option that will reset on restarting the car and sites the example of overtaking a slower moving lorry.
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Post by tvor on Mar 27, 2019 21:45:48 GMT 1
It will be interesting to see how this can be adapted to older cars. My cars are 12 and 26 years old. Nothing I have read about this suggests that it will be. As I understand it the plan is for this to be introduced in all new cars sold after 2022.
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Post by SeanBroseley on Mar 28, 2019 7:44:45 GMT 1
It will be interesting to see how this can be adapted to older cars. My cars are 12 and 26 years old. Do we need to start calling you ‘2 Saab Sean’? Ha Ha. Just the one.
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Post by davycrockett on Mar 28, 2019 8:55:46 GMT 1
Dangerous idea. Someone mentioned that they were trying to merge into fast flowing traffic on a motorway but had a speed limiter in place that held them to 30 m.p.h. as that was the restriction on the slip road. Incidents like this might cause serious problems. The article says pressing the accelerator overrides the limiter... My car has adaptive cruise control which uses a sensor to judge speed and distance from the car in front. You can set the distance and speed you want to travel so when you come up behind a vehicle it slows you down and maintains the gap... if you pull out to overtake it speeds up as soon as the sensor ‘see’s it clear in front to the max speed you’ve set. The sensor also acts as an emergency braking system even when the adaptive cruise control is off and applies the brakes (gently at first) if your approaching a slow moving or stationary object. Second vehicle with with it and after 4 years driving the first it was a must have when replacing that car. I use it all the time set it at the speed limit and the car keeps to that or less depending on traffic conditions.
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Post by Northwest Shrew on Mar 28, 2019 9:29:02 GMT 1
I reckon 2021 cars will hold there value very well
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Post by venceremos on Mar 28, 2019 13:27:48 GMT 1
I reckon 2021 cars will hold there value very well And maybe attract a lot of speeding tickets.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 28, 2019 14:07:34 GMT 1
The joy of motoring will soon be over at this rate 😕
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Post by zenfootball2 on Mar 28, 2019 14:45:23 GMT 1
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Post by tvor on Mar 28, 2019 20:53:01 GMT 1
The joy of motoring will soon be over at this rate 😕 I thought it already was.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 28, 2019 21:45:25 GMT 1
The joy of motoring will soon be over at this rate 😕 I thought it already was. Oh I don't know. I got the chance to drive a TR6 last weekend. It was some drive 😊
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Post by Deleted on Mar 28, 2019 22:05:53 GMT 1
Bloody Europeans, trying to stop people being killed in car accidents.
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Post by The Shropshire Tenor on Mar 28, 2019 23:35:00 GMT 1
So, the complaint seems to be that drivers want to continue breaking the law by exceeding speed limits.
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Post by staffordshrew on Mar 29, 2019 0:35:26 GMT 1
www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-47715415Something else for those so minded to bash the EU about. In my view this is a good idea, but I'm not sure about the override options that drivers will still have available to them. Seems it will be adopted even if we leave the EU. I expect the sort of immigrants we don't want will also find a way in. Are there any benefits to leaving the EU?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 29, 2019 7:28:19 GMT 1
So, the complaint seems to be that drivers want to continue breaking the law by exceeding speed limits. well yes absolutely. if we want to go around killing and maiming people in our country, with our own fast cars, by breaking our own sovereign laws, who the hell are the europeans to tell us otherwise!! fascists!!
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Post by Northwest Shrew on Mar 29, 2019 8:05:29 GMT 1
Bloody Europeans, trying to stop people being killed in car accidents. Hows it gonna stop people being killed in car accidents? How about the losses of thousands of jobs and millions of pounds of industry this country would see if this was brought in. 1793 people were killed on Britain’s roads in 2017, Of them 5% were due to Speeding. Add to that that only 6% of total deaths Were on motorways. I think it’s good grounds to increase the speed limit on motorways. In the 1960’s and 70’s, 70mph was a sensible speed , this was when cars had narrow cross ply tyres, poor drum brakes and no safety features. Modern day cars are equipped with radial tyres, high powered brakes callipers, anti lock brakes, stability control, lane assistance, collision avoidance . Stopping distances are a fraction of what they were when motorways opened. We would be better educating drivers to drive better. Bringing in comulsory 10 year tests. Drivers are the contributing factor to a huge proportion of deaths, not cars.
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Post by stuttgartershrew on Mar 29, 2019 8:14:17 GMT 1
Bloody Europeans, trying to stop people being killed in car accidents. Hows it gonna stop people being killed in car accidents? How about the losses of thousands of jobs and millions of pounds of industry this country would see if this was brought in. You mean from the insurance game or? Otherwise, what jobs? And it will stop people being killed because it will have an impact on the speed of those driving cars, making sure they are abiding by the speed limits of the road they are on. Speed limits which are there for a reason and yet are ignored by many drivers. Why would anyone object to seeing their car being driven at 30 mph in a 30 mph zone? Unless of course you're not a considerate and conscientious driver but someone who is willing to put their life and other lives in danger?
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Post by zenfootball2 on Mar 29, 2019 9:46:37 GMT 1
Hows it gonna stop people being killed in car accidents? How about the losses of thousands of jobs and millions of pounds of industry this country would see if this was brought in. You mean from the insurance game or? Otherwise, what jobs? And it will stop people being killed because it will have an impact on the speed of those driving cars, making sure they are abiding by the speed limits of the road they are on. Speed limits which are there for a reason and yet are ignored by many drivers. Why would anyone object to seeing their car being driven at 30 mph in a 30 mph zone? Unless of course you're not a considerate and conscientious driver but someone who is willing to put their life and other lives in danger? who would object to saving lives ? my only issue concerns about how much control the state has over our lives( which i appreciate is a side issue)
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Post by Deleted on Mar 29, 2019 10:09:29 GMT 1
Bloody Europeans, trying to stop people being killed in car accidents. Hows it gonna stop people being killed in car accidents? How about the losses of thousands of jobs and millions of pounds of industry this country would see if this was brought in. 1793 people were killed on Britain’s roads in 2017, Of them 5% were due to Speeding. Add to that that only 6% of total deaths Were on motorways. I think it’s good grounds to increase the speed limit on motorways. In the 1960’s and 70’s, 70mph was a sensible speed , this was when cars had narrow cross ply tyres, poor drum brakes and no safety features. Modern day cars are equipped with radial tyres, high powered brakes callipers, anti lock brakes, stability control, lane assistance, collision avoidance . Stopping distances are a fraction of what they were when motorways opened. We would be better educating drivers to drive better. Bringing in comulsory 10 year tests. Drivers are the contributing factor to a huge proportion of deaths, not cars. So to be clear, millions of pounds and thousands of jobs will be lost if we stop people speeding 👍
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Post by The Shropshire Tenor on Mar 29, 2019 10:16:55 GMT 1
I live in a 1930s built estate with narrow roads that weren't designed for cars and inadequate off road parking, so the roads are basically single track. 30mph is too fast here but it's a bit of a rat run and we often see cars hooning through at 40mph+. I want to see the upper limit reduced to 20mph and strictly enforced. I see the main benefit of limiters being the increased safety in built up areas.
People are so wedded to the primacy of the car that over 1,700 people killed by cars is shrugged off as insignificant, no mention of the almost 25,000 injuries in the same period.
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Post by zenfootball2 on Mar 29, 2019 12:15:26 GMT 1
I live in a 1930s built estate with narrow roads that weren't designed for cars and inadequate off road parking, so the roads are basically single track. 30mph is too fast here but it's a bit of a rat run and we often see cars hooning through at 40mph+. I want to see the upper limit reduced to 20mph and strictly enforced. I see the main benefit of limiters being the increased safety in built up areas. People are so wedded to the primacy of the car that over 1,700 people killed by cars is shrugged off as insignificant, no mention of the almost 25,000 injuries in the same period. www.theguardian.com/cities/2015/may/29/do-20mph-speed-limits-actually-work-london-brightonif i have understood this article and the research quoted correctly, to get the most benefit and maximum safety from such a scheme, a combination of road calming measures , adequate signage and strict enforcement is required, if not and just signage it only reduces speed by 1mph and is largely ignored.
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